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I just joined the chess club at college and I've finally met some good chess players in RL.
Edit - With a little studying, I'd like to think that Queen's Gambit Accepted is an easy win for white if black tries to defend the pawn. In the past this was giving me trouble, but basically what I learned was that white trades the a and b pawns to put pressure on black's a pawn and white will also develop much quicker in the process. If white persists with defending the pawn it will usually lead to the loss of a power piece as well as being far behind in development, which really isn't good with the entire right side of the board being exposed.
An example game was shown here.
1.d4 d5 2.c4 dxc4
Probably the most solid defense one could make to defend the pawn.
1.d4 d5 2.c4 dxc4 3.Nf3 a6 4.e3 b5 5.a4 c6 6.axb5 cxb5 7.b3 cxb3 8.Bxb5+
With some careful play by white. Just lol. I'd love to be in a situation where I have a winning move on turn 8. 
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posted October 07, 2004 10:22 PM |
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After Bd7 white is clearly better, but the game is not over yet. Anyways, queen's gambit accepted is far from being this simple. There are playable variations defending the pawn, but the usual is playin for c7-c5.
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posted October 09, 2004 11:24 AM |
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Well after I studied this line, I came to find that it is impossible to defend the pawn. I have found it much easier to defeat any pawn defense. Defending the bishop on Be6 also does not work because white can simply push the d pawn to d5 after playing on the previous turn Nc3. I've seen other defenses such as Bd7 followed by b5. However this leads down a similar line by white playing a5.
If black takes the pawn bxa4 white can simply play Nxa4. If black does not trade and defends this pawn with c6, then a similar line with come about only this time the previous screen I displayed will have one less black pawn and a knight at b4 rather than the bishop.
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posted October 11, 2004 03:47 AM |
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Hello Wub!
After a long time I finally found the time and concentration to look at this thread again.
Quote: [...] and I feel sufficiently confident to place this opening in my own repertoire too (games that start with 1.e4 g6 can easily transpose after all).
I´m glad to hear that my annotations have been helpful to you, but I must warn you  , the 9.Ne1 10.Be3 line is only a very small part of King´s Indian theory. Most critical for black is the Taimanov, 9.b4, which convinced Kasparow of the necessity to get himself a tamer defense against 1.d4.
And another very hard (and less fun) piece of work is white´s g2-g3 fianchetto system, which is harmless for the Benoni, but dangerous against the King´s Indian.
Quote: Your opponent’s strategy in the cited game seemed not that coherent to me, though (but that may well be me). His 10… Ne8 looked like an error to me as in my opinion 10… Nd7 was needed to slow down white’s queenside play. Also 9…h6 appeared nothing more than a loss of tempo, since black continued with h5 later in the game and neither the vacation of the h7 square was used, nor did the knight land on f4.
You´re certainly right that my opponent´s play in the game lacked in some fields. I think his biggest mistake was to combine two rare (but for themselves playable) plans that don´t harmonize very well: Playing for Ne7-g6-f4 and taking back with the knight on d6. With no Nf6 controlling the g4 square anymore, I could have responded to 15… Ng6 by playing 16.Ne3 Nf4 17.Bg4, with a large advantage. I assume this is why he resorted to f7-f5-f4 instead.
10… Ne8 and 10… Nd7 are usually two equally good ways of preparing f7-f5, at least in the 10.Be3 system. You are right that d7 is the better square to hold of c4-c5. But on the other hand the knight is much better on e8 after c4-c5 is played, protecting the vital squares c7 and d6. Again on the other hand, keeping the knight on e8 means keeping an important attacking piece in a defensive position . What´s better is a rather undecided issue.
Quote: I noticed that another point of this move is that the white rook can be lifted to the third rank to assist in the defense, for example by intervening at h3 after a g4 breakthrough.
Yes, but that´s a rather minor point. In general, playing the 10.Be3 system, white would rather do without h2-h3, which requires him to keep the e4 pawn covered. (Unlike the 10.Nd3 line, where the d3 knight always proceeds to f2 later.)
Quote: […] In your game, after 15. b4, the bishop is still placed a lot more active, which I believe is why black cannot allow 16 bxa5 + c5.
Yes, that´s the big difference. In the game between Nielsen and Kotronias, white had to “misplace” his pieces to perfectly support the b2-b4 advance. I played b2-b4 in one go, the advantages are obvious, but on the downside I did not have such a good arrangement for taking back on b4.
Quote: I don’t have it either and even though I checked every corner of the internet, I can’t find what this possible improvement would be either.
I think I´ll get it into my hands again in near future … then I´ll come back at to subject . I just know that the article didn´t present any final solution, it just tried to summarize impressions and theoretical evaluations from the latest games.
Quote: I noticed that from the 26 other games that feature the position after 16. …Nf6, not a single one continues with 17.Be1. That made me wonder a bit about an improvement too. I think one of the reasons why 17. Nc6 is more popular (I don’t mean to say necessarily better) is that it appears somewhat counterintuitive to have time for the manoeuvre Nd3-Nb4-Nd3 in such a sharp opening as the King’s Indian. But I can think of a more specific reason why Be1 is unusual.
I´m not so convinced anymore about 17.Be1 either, as in my analyses I was not able to find a serious improvement for white. Right now my choice would be 17.Nc6, too.
Quote: I’m not so sure about this. You could play a5 and afterwards pick up the pawn with Be1.[…]
Yes, I considered that during the game. But there´s my e4 pawn – in order to keep g4 prevented, I must keep it covered. For this I need one of my knights either on c3 or on f2, both would interfere with my bishop immediately going to e1 and b4 after black has played a5xb4.
And if I don´t take back at once, there´s also black´s extra possibility of c7-c5 and Ne7xc6, covering b4.
Quote: The disadvantage is that after a5 bxa5 Be1, black can play a4, so that after Rxa4 Rxa4 Qxa4, the queen is deflected from defending g4, which makes a breakthrough at easier. This happened in a very recent game Grigore-Nevednichy, which I suggest you take a look at if you haven’t done so already. After 20 moves, a similar position as your game was reached there, the only difference being that black did not play Rf7-g7 but Ne7-g6.
At work I can´t access Chesslive.de right now, and my PC at home is completely disfuctional until ... hopefully Tuesday evening. But I´ll look at the game as soon as I can.
Quote: Now 17. Nd3 seems more flexible, also because the bishop is a lot more active on the a7-g1 diagonal than on the e1-a5 diagonal. Therefore I don’t see why one would be so eager to play Be1 right away. Of course there is still the question if in the end this different move order actually matters.
Well, I had the intention to play both moves immediately, so the move order did not matter in my game. But you are right that 17.Nd3 is more flexible.
Quote: I don’t understand why 18…g4 is so detrimental for white. Granted, white must watch his e4 pawn, but I think black’s pieces are too passive yet to execute a decisive attack. White on the other hand is on the verge of playing a5.
Black is threatening to play g4-g3 immediately. That´s the standard pawn sacrifice in Bf2 positions, to weaken white´s king´s position on the dark squares and activate his minor pieces. If white takes twice, there´s for example Bg7-h6-e3, Ng6-f4, Nh5-g3, Qd8-h4. The classic example for this motif is the game Taimanov-Najdorf, Zürich 1953.
Quote: […] 24. …g4 25. hxg4 hxg4 26. fxg4 Qd7 27. Qd3 Rg6 28. Rb1 Rc8 29. Na3 Qh7 30. Rd2 Be7 31. Qc2 and I could go on for a while, but the computer claims a small advantage for black.
Yes, that´s a good suggestion. You are right that black was able to play 24… g4 earlier, but I don´t think he achieves anything better than transposition into the game. In the variation that you gave, I don´t see the point of white´s 27th move and what followed – in case of 27.Rd2, we are in familiar territory again.
But I think I found an improvement for black while looking at these lines. Instead of 25…Rd8, black could have played analogously to your idea: 25…g4 (your 24… g4 leads to this, too) 26.fxg4 hxg4 27.hxg4 Nxg4 28.Nxg4 Bxg4 29.Bxg4 Qxg4 30.Qxg4 Rxg4, with an unloseable and at least =/+ endgame for black. Best seems to be 31.Nc7!? Rxa4 32.Nd5 Rg3 33.Nxb6 Ra3 34.Ba1 Kf7, and white is still a long way from getting the draw.
Quote: Both 38. Bxe5 and 38. Nh6+ seem to lead to largely forced variations, though the latter is no doubt preferable. I think white actually has a won position here:
43. g5
43. …Nh5 44. Be8! […]
That´s a great line . Yes, you are right, white´s winning here …
Quote: If these variations are correct, I hope you don’t experience too much of an “if only I had played…” feeling […]
Not at all . I doubt that there are (m)any players in the world who would have seen that line at move 38 … myself I probably would not even have noticed that tactic at move 44  . Great job finding that stuff! Else I would have never noticed that I actually had a winning position in the game …
Quote: Upon analysis I noticed that black has a better continuation that avoids any Maroczy bind structures leading to a +/= position altogether. I believe that with 3. …d5 white can immediately occupy and take control of the centre.
During the game, one of my teammates asked me why I didn´t play d7-d5 immediately … suggesting that this would even lead to black being better. I wasn´t convinced at that moment (and had other stuff to do anyway ), and when I later found that many strong GMs hat played 3… Nc6 and 4… g6, I didn´t bother checking anymore. (Kind of a variation of the “Argument of Authority” fallacy working on me .) Yes, you are right, I checked it this time, and both the statistics and the theoretical analyses are looking rather bleak for white.
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posted October 14, 2004 10:27 PM |
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I need your analysis on this endgame. I do have variations and ideas and I'll post them later, now I do not want to influence you with them.
White: Ke5, Ra7, pawns: a2, d6
Black: Kd8, Ra1
White to move. We were analyzing it for one hour in our car (driving back home from Szombathely, we played a team match with them and it was the game of one of our players) and came to a conclusion in which I am not sure and thus I won't post it now.
The question is obvious: draw, or winning for white?
edit: black king is on e8(?)
does it matter?
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posted October 18, 2004 09:49 AM |
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Hello Csarmi!
I´m not an expert on rook endings, but it doesn´t seem to me like white can win this one. I can´t find anything better than to hide the king on the a-file and advance the a-pawn behind it, while d6 falls. But that kind of ending (for example W: Ka7, Rb7, Pa4 B: Kd8, Rd1) must be an easy draw for black.
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posted October 18, 2004 12:29 PM |
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@redsox
in queen gambit accepted, black cant defend the pawn.
the best line of play, from what i have learned (and i have a couple tournaments won, one against a sweedesh master) is like this:
1d4 d5. 2. c4 dxc4 3.kc3 e6 (witch does not block the black pieces, like be6) 4. e3
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posted October 18, 2004 01:09 PM |
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Hello Csarmi!
I´m not an expert on rook endings, but it doesn´t seem to me like white can win this one. I can´t find anything better than to hide the king on the a-file and advance the a-pawn behind it, while d6 falls. But that kind of ending (for example W: Ka7, Rb7, Pa4 B: Kd8, Rd1) must be an easy draw for black.
Actually, it's not easy at all!
First thing to be considered: if white could play its rook to the d-file keeping the a-pawn at least on a4, it would win (the white king goes to b5 and advances the pawn and taking the paw with rook-exchange already loses.
So black must prevent it.
Second thing to be considered: if white could keep the rook on b6/b5 while advancing the pawn, it would win. If the white king reaches b7, it even wins without the d-pawn.
It looks like a draw for black, but a very hard one and white almost wins.
Black has to play its king to c8 (to prevent Kb7). Thw white king will most likely go to the a-pawn (after Ra6 and a2-a4). Black can't take the d-pawn for that'd be a rook exchange.
This position is unevitable for black and white seems to have nothing better either:
white: Ka5, Ra6, p:a4, d6
black: K?, R?
Here is where it starts to be complicated.
Where the black king and rook have to be and when? :-)
Seems like the black king has to go to c8 everytime that Kb7 is a threat. The black rook has to defend the c-file in some cases too against Rc6+ and Kb7. The black rook has to go the 5th line against a Ka6, Rb6, pawns at a5 and d6 setup, but only then!
Anything I have missed? I have some more, still I couldn't find a win for white but it's surely interesting.
There is a nice trap for black too.
a4 - Kd8, a5 - Re1+, Kd5 - Rd1+, Kc5 - Rc1+, Kb6 - Rd1?, a6 - Rxd6+, Kb7 - Rd1, Ra8+ - Kd7, a7 wins with the Rh8 threat
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posted October 18, 2004 06:30 PM |
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Quote:
the best line of play, from what i have learned (and i have a couple tournaments won, one against a sweedesh master) is like this:
1d4 d5. 2. c4 dxc4 3.kc3 e6 (witch does not block the black pieces, like be6) 4. e3
What you have learned is pretty much nonsense then. First of all, 3.Nc3 is a very minor and somewhat illogical sideline. White´s best moves are 3.Nf3 and 3.e4.
And second, in response to 3.Nc3, black must free himself with 3...e5, which should lead to equality.
3.Nc3 e6 on the other hand is very good for white after 4.e4.
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posted October 18, 2004 07:16 PM |
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Csarmi, first of all it seems like we´re not talking about exactly the same position. In my line, white´s king goes to a6, in your line he´s on a5. I´m not sure which one is better, but it´s quite a difference.
I also have difficulties with the analyses that follow,
could you maybe give me a complete line starting from the initial position (White: Ke5, Ra7, pawns: a2, d6 Black: Kd8, Ra1)?
I think we´re beginning with something like 1.a4 Re1+ 2.Kd5 Rd1+ 3.Kc6 Rc1+ 4.Kb5 Rb1+, and now I don´t understand how exactly you intend to continue.
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a4 - Kd8, a5 - Re1+, Kd5 - Rd1+, Kc5 - Rc1+, Kb6 - Rd1?, a6 - Rxd6+, Kb7 - Rd1, Ra8+ - Kd7, a7 wins with the Rh8 threat
Again I´m not sure that we are talking about the same position, but if you mean the starting one, black´s king is on d8 already before a2-a4 is played.
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posted October 18, 2004 07:52 PM |
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Oh sorry, black's king starts on e8 I believe. Should not make a difference though. I'll edit that.
A possible line (not sure whether it is correct with black or not:
a4 - Kd8, Kd5 - Kc8, Kc5 - Rc1+, Kb6 - Rb1+, Ka5 - Rd1, Ra6
sure not correct, we had a much better line considering some variations (there are several white tricks to watch out for)
it included keeping the rook on c1 in some variations (to prevent a well-timed Rc6+ followed by Kb7) and playing Rc5 in this exact position: Ka6, Rb6, a5, d6 - Kc8, Rc1-c5 ("stalemating" white )
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posted October 20, 2004 09:14 AM |
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Oh sorry, black's king starts on e8 I believe. Should not make a difference though. I'll edit that.
I think it´s quite a difference. The king is one step further away from the a-pawn, and white has the choice to either use that fact as an extra tempo, or as a diversionary extra pawn by inserting d7+ when the d-pawn is attacked. Now I think it´s considerably more difficult ...
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A possible line (not sure whether it is correct with black or not:
a4 - Kd8, Kd5 [...]
I think that 2.Kd5 simply drops a tempo. Black can drive the white king behind his a-pawn cover anytime, no matter if the king´s position is on e5, d5 or c6. And he will be forced to do so. With the pawns on a6 and d6, the endgame is an easy win for white.
Better 1.a4 Kd8 2.a5 Re1+ 3.Kd5 Rd1+ 4.Kc6 Rc1+ 5.Kb5 Rb1+ 6.Ka6, and now we have an incredibly difficult endgame. I´m not sure whether black can save himself. In case he can´t, 1...Re1+ looks slightly more precise to me, maybe that will make a difference. Well, right now I need to focus my chess time on the opening prep for next sunday, so maybe someone else will like to analyse it ?!?
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posted October 25, 2004 12:11 AM |
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Hello Redsoxfan,
I noticed that you deleted your game, but I did look at it for a while and I believe I can give some general comments if you like. Since it was some weeks ago that I played through it, being specific is quite difficult, but I hope you still find this somewhat superficial analysis valuable.
I think you didn’t make any grave mistakes during the first few moves of your game. Actually, I would even disagree that your suggestion 4. …f7-f5 would have been an improvement. I think you played that move at the exact right time. It is usually a good idea to first develop your pieces before starting an attack and this is no exception. That is also why I think that after 6. …f7-f5 you should have continued with Ng8-f6 and then 0-0 (to involve the rook at h8 and tuck your king away safely). I believe that you played Bh4 instead. Now such a move was definitely premature. It doesn’t threaten anything at all and doesn’t attack any vulnerable squares in the white position either. With such a loss of tempo you can easily lose the initiative and end up with having completely no attack.
Another thing that I remember was your opponent’s move h3. In my opinion, one should only play that kind of moves if one has got a very good reason for it. That was definitely not the case here. Not only does it cost a tempo, it actually weakens the king’s position (which is shown by the Bxh3 tactic that you mentioned later in the game). Maybe your opponent wanted to prevent Bg4, but with the white bishop at e2, that was nothing to worry about.
Later in the game white pulls off a knight fork at c7. Note that this would not have been possible if you had had better development. In my opinion, studying these kinds of tactics will improve your chess the most at this time, as winning a piece usually means winning the game. This costs you a full rook, though I believe you could have won the knight back by closing of the c7 square and trapping it.
I must say that after that you fought back very well and possibly even got a winning position (it certainly helped when your opponent simply blundered his knight ). My memory is a bit hazy about this, but I believe you could get a decisive kingside attack at some point. However, forgetting that your bishop at e6 was preventing a mate appeared to be the decisive tactical mistake. That was a pity, because if I remember well, before Bxh3 the outcome was still not decided.
Well, I hope this was of any use to you and that I did not sound negative .
Hello Lews,
Did you finally get to make money in a more vertical position again? .
Your annotations have indeed been helpful, though my intention was to start playing the King’s Indian as white and not as black. When I am facing the modern defense, I believe black cannot prevent me from transposing into a King’s Indian: 1. e4 g6 2. d4 Bg7 3. c4 d6 4. Nc3 etc. With your explanations I am more than sufficiently equipped to play this with white at my level of play.
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You´re certainly right that my opponent´s play in the game lacked in some fields. I think his biggest mistake was to combine two rare (but for themselves playable) plans that don´t harmonize very well
Thank you for the elaboration. I see now that with black’s good light bishop traded off, the white f5 square becomes a mighty outpost for a knight, especially because black’s dark bishop is bad.
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But there´s my e4 pawn – in order to keep g4 prevented, I must keep it covered. For this I need one of my knights either on c3 or on f2, both would interfere with my bishop immediately going to e1 and b4 after black has played a5xb4.
Again, I searched through the databases for this and you are right. I found three games where white played Be1 after a5 and in all three times white was unable to prevent g4.
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Black is threatening to play g4-g3 immediately (…).
I see now. Thank you, I realize that’s actually essential knowledge if you want to play the King’s Indian .
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In the variation that you gave, I don´t see the point of white´s 27th move and what followed – in case of 27.Rd2, we are in familiar territory again.
Yes, here I was confronted with the problem that in this tactical position the computer’s suggestions must have been superior to mine, though they did not make sense at all . That’s why I added the somewhat more human lines. One of them seems to be equal to the improvement you suggest and here I agree with you that black must have the better endgame.
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Well, right now I need to focus my chess time on the opening prep for next Sunday
If your opening preparation for today’s game was for your team championship match against Godesberg, I’m quite curious if Kasimdzanov really showed up and what the result of the match was .
Hello Csarmi,
With my limited knowledge of rook endings I have looked at your endgame and to be honest I did not succeed in finding a win for white either. Since hiding the king at a8 doesn’t seem to work, the first moves do indeed seem to be more or less forced:
1. a4 Re1+ 2. Kd5 Rd1+ 3. Kc5 Rc1+ 4. Kb5 Rb1+ 5. Ka6. Now 5. ...Rd1 seems to be black’s critical response. I believe 6. d7+ is forced. After 6. …Kd8, I don’t see how white can make any progress:
7. a5 draws to 7. …Rd6+, because after 8. Kb5 Rxd7 9. Rxd7 Kxd7 10. Kb6 Kc8 11. Ka7 Kc7, the white king is trapped.
7. Rb7 doesn’t seem to work either: 7. …Rd6+ 8. Ka7 (Kb5 is answered again by Rxd7) 8. …Rd5 9. Kb8 Ra5 10. Ra7 Rd5 11. a5 Rb5+ 12. Ka8 Rd5 13. a6 Rd6 and now white is stuck again: 14. Kb7 Rxd7+ 15. Kb6 Rxa7 16. Kxa7 Kc7.
It is very likely that I missed some variation, but based on the above analysis I’d say black can hold the draw.
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posted November 03, 2004 04:57 AM |
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Hello Wub,
the shift is nearing its end (and yes, this time it´s a vertical one ), hopefully I´ve got enough time for a short post on my first Bundesliga game.
I played against an IM with a rating of 2420, and unfortunately I lost ... but it was quite interesting, as I had reached a very promising position as black in the accelerated Dragon. Alas, one mistake and it was all gone ...
1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 g6 3. c3 Bg7 4. d4 cxd4 5. cxd4 d5 6. e5 Bg4 7. Bb5+ Nc6 8.Nc3
8. Nbd2 is considered to be stronger.
8... Nh6 9. O-O ?!
9. Qa4?! O-O 10. Bxc6 bxc6 11. Ng5 f6 is nothing for white, but he should have played 9.h3 immediately.
9... O-O ?!
9... Nf5 and black already seems to be slightly better, as 10.h3 Bxf3 11.Qxf3 isn´t a possibility.
10. Bxc6 bxc6 11. h3 Bxf3 12. Qxf3 Nf5 13. Qd3 f6 14. g4
More or less forced: 14. f4 Qb6 15. Be3 fxe5 16. fxe5 Nxe3 17. Qxe3 Qxb2
14... fxe5 15.gxf5 e4 16. Qg3
16.Qa6? Qd7
16... Rxf5 17. Ne2 e5 18. dxe5 Bxe5 19. Qg4 Bxb2?
And here I squandered it. Even though Fritz thinks that it is the best move, it seems that after this, black is losing already. The pawn does not matter, as the initiative is handed over to white completely now, who is attacking with an extra piece.
19... Qf6 Had initially been my intention, and is at least =+, with black´s position being much easier to play. Unfortunately I simply missed white´s reply ...
20.Ng3! Bxa1 21. Nxf5 Kh8 22. Nh6 Qc8 23.Qh4 Qe6 24. Ng4 Bg7 25. Bh6 Rb8 26. Qg3 Rf8 27. Bxg7+ Kxg7 28. Qc3+ Kf7 29.Rb1 1-0
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posted November 05, 2004 09:54 AM |
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Thanks Wub. It's funny. I was only meaning to edit my post, but for some reason I deleted it. Maybe I could find that game again. May have been the other comp I was using and that one has harddrive damage.
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posted November 05, 2004 10:57 AM |
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Yeah I did some close studying on that game and you are exactly right.
But I think that my overall chess play is better now. I've been going to chess club. And rather than just playing games to win, we will play the game and then go back to where I made the mistake and talk about why that was a bad move etc...
Well I've been going everyweek and now that I've stopped making mistakes, I think I'm beginning to breakthrough past the level of not making mistakes. Rather than winning by not dropping pieces
or seeing a fork or other obvious moves, I have learned a very important concept that I think most moderate players don't understand.
That if you can't attack a piece. Make a move that threatens a move to attack or trap a piece. Or if you can't do that, then to develop your bishops, queen and rooks so they take on discovered attacks. That rather than playing the obnoxious move. Make a different one that threatens the obnoxious move. Often times if you're opponent is paying attention, they won't leave you the obnoxious move. But if you set up the obnoxious move by putting pressure on the piece that is guarded by the piece that will be threatened by your obnoxious move.
In one of the games I played I actually sacrificed two pawns to open up a file to launch an attack on the king. I was one move behind gaining a rook or bishop on the trade I'd have won. However he stared at the board for quite a while and found a way to get it. However I think now that my basic fundamentals are better, my overall pattern recognition will become better. That the farther up the ranks in chess, rather than playing obnoxiously attacking his queen, you pin his queen on his king or maybe you fork his pieces. Then it comes to you are fighting to pick up a pawn. Then after this, it's not even that. It's threatening to fork. It's threatening to pick up a piece. And then it's threatening to win the pawn. But the grandmasters threaten over other things. They fight over controlling vital squares on the board.
So in other words, I think I'm to the point where studying chess will actually be helpful. Before it was basically being familiar with Queen's Gambit and playing it everytime.
In response to Doom.
1d4 d5. 2. c4 dxc4 3.kc3 e6 4. e3?
I would never go for central isolated pawn. Especially not at my level.
My response to e6 is not e3. I can only guess black plays c5. No no no. My response is g2. Now if black move c5, the b pawn will be under too much pressure especially with an already open c file. This means white gets to gain loads of space. White controls the middle board with g2 in response to e6.
Is there an obvious counter that I'm missing?
You might say that the pawn can be defended. Well not that well imo since all you have is one bishop, but any more pieces than that not really.
Plus later you can move Be3, Kd2 and Rb2. This is a very strong move for white, imo. It puts pressure on the c file. It takes the pressure of the d pawn. Yes the bishop would be played as a big pawn, but it leaves room an outlet off the e pawn for later gameplay, plus again the discovered attack from pushing the pawn.
Now what this threats in the future is a2 b3. white would have an outlet for the white bishop on the c file. let me remind you defended by the rook
Surely I'm getting ahead of myself, but this is the game plan I have against e6.
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Lews_Therin
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posted November 06, 2004 10:23 AM |
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Hello Redsox,
your post needs some editing ... there´s no such thing as a move "g2" for example, if you are the white player.
I don´t exactly understand what you are suggesting, but I think in an above post I gave some improvements for both sides.
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posted November 07, 2004 05:16 AM |
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sorry g3...
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Lews_Therin
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posted November 07, 2004 07:55 AM |
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Well, 4.g3 is a legal move, but doesn´t make much sense here. You play an inferior Catalan, as white´s knight is already commited to c3. This has serious drawbacks when black defends c4 with b7-b5 or Nc6-a5. And even if he doesn´t, it´s much harder now to get that pawn back. After 4...Nc6 for example, white is already struggling for equality.
Anyway, why would you want to fianchetto your bishop after black has taken on c4?
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posted November 07, 2004 11:51 PM |
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Maybe we should see, because I have been playing this quite successfully. The reason is the same before. If the pawn is defended. My fiancietto bishop sets up a nice trap. If the pawn is not defended. I can play Qa5+ to regain the pawn. I really think this is a playable opening. In fact I'm sure that it's playable in almost any variation. Although the games will surely end up quick sloppy games.
I must make one correction. I play g3 and don't move out my knight. Wait a minute so this is a playable line? You said it was called Catalan. Alright... What are your thoughts on this line exactly?
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