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enchant
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posted August 04, 2003 02:47 PM |
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Those "other" level 5 spells
There was a thread a while back talking about the best level 5 spell. The popular choices were DD, Impl, and Fly (although I think that Fly's value decreases dramatically once you've got DD).
Those three are actually the ONLY L5 spells that I use. Some people mentioned Sacrifice and Magic Mirror. I'd love to know specifically what the scenario would be where you'd use them and how they'd be effective.
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angelito
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posted August 04, 2003 05:28 PM |
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There was a thread a while back talking about the best level 5 spell. The popular choices were DD, Impl, and Fly (although I think that Fly's value decreases dramatically once you've got DD).
Those three are actually the ONLY L5 spells that I use. Some people mentioned Sacrifice and Magic Mirror. I'd love to know specifically what the scenario would be where you'd use them and how they'd be effective.
You have never used "sacrifice"?
So letīs imagine this situation:
Youīre a stronghold hero, letīs say crack hack.
Letīs say crack hack has the tome of fire magic (or has exp. wisdom and learned sacrifice) and has a tough fight against another strong heroe. In the middle of the fight, he lost all of his....45 Ancient Behemots, because his opponent is a magic heroe in a garrison and has the implosion-spell with much power and also big shooters and so on. How do you get back your ABīs?
If you try it with resurrection, as a might heroe, normally your spellpower isnīt that great, you wonīt get them back.
But if you sacrify your....hobgoblins (donīt know exactly how much youīll need, but it isnīt that much...), you will get them all back, only by sacrifiy your hobbies!
Try this and you will see this spell as a very good one.
MagicMirror is in my opinion not that good, because you will lose one round of spellcasting with no good effectivity.
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Lord_Woock
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posted August 04, 2003 05:46 PM |
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MagicMirror is in my opinion not that good, because you will lose one round of spellcasting with no good effectivity.
Sure, I never use it either. But let's think about it - if we get attacked by a powerful magic hero, whose army is a lot smaller than ours simply because he thinks he can take us with the uber magic. We cast magic mirror on the unit he is more likely to target, and he'll think twice before taking his chance.
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angelito
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posted August 04, 2003 05:49 PM |
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MagicMirror is in my opinion not that good, because you will lose one round of spellcasting with no good effectivity.
Sure, I never use it either. But let's think about it - if we get attacked by a powerful magic hero, whose army is a lot smaller than ours simply because he thinks he can take us with the uber magic. We cast magic mirror on the unit he is more likely to target, and he'll think twice before taking his chance.
Sure, thatīs a point. But if his army is a lot smaller than ours, as you mentioned, i think with mass haste, (mass bless) and perhaps one spell more, the battle is over, isnīt it?
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Lord_Woock
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posted August 04, 2003 05:56 PM |
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Yea, but it's always nice not to lose those 5 behhies because of an implo.
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enchant
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posted August 04, 2003 06:01 PM |
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You have never used "sacrifice"?
Well, I... that is, I, um... er...
No.
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So letīs imagine this situation:
But if you sacrify your....hobgoblins (donīt know exactly how much youīll need, but it isnīt that much...), you will get them all back, only by sacrifiy your hobbies!
I understood the concept, but I sort of assumed that since an ancient behemoth is worth like 100 hobgobs, I'd have to sacrifice that amount. So to bring back my 50 stack of behemoths, I'd have to have like 5000 hobgobs. Are you saying that it might be closer in number? That *would* be nice. I wish I wasn't at work. I'd like to try it.
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Lord_Woock
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posted August 04, 2003 06:14 PM |
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an ancient behemoth is worth like 100 hobgobs
1 Ancient = 300hp
1 hobgoblin = 5hp
300/5=60
Said something?
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bjorn190
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posted August 04, 2003 06:27 PM |
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You add your spellpower + bonus for fire magic (about 10) to each hobgoblin so if u have 15 spellpower thats 30 hps per hobgoblin so 1 AB = 10 hobgoblins, you need only 450 hobgoblins to bring 45 ABs back.
You didnt know what the spell does 
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enchant
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posted August 04, 2003 10:59 PM |
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Ok - I've done a little playing with Sacrifice, and I have a vaguely related question.
What is the AI hero interested in? How does he choose which of my army stacks to attack. I had a hero with the Tower's group of armies (Titans, Genies, etc.). I had about 150 obs. gargoyles and about 50 arch mages. The AI hero put most of its attack on the mages. I restored and tried again, but this time, I split the gargoyles into a stack of 100 and one of 50. Now the AI wanted to attack the 50 stack of gargoyles. Does it just naturally go for the weakest stack?
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Dingo
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posted August 10, 2003 03:30 PM |
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Why would you want to use Magic Mirror when you have Anti Magic? Magic Mirror has a 20% chance of working and Anti Magic has a 100% chance. Plus Magic Mirror is expensive.
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angelito
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posted August 11, 2003 10:14 AM |
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Why would you want to use Magic Mirror when you have Anti Magic? Magic Mirror has a 20% chance of working and Anti Magic has a 100% chance. Plus Magic Mirror is expensive.
But if your opponent casts blind, with anti-magic, you could resist, with magic mirror, you got a 20%chance, that a random unit of himself gets blinded! So you can cast something else in that round, so this makes two spells in one round
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EmperorSly
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posted August 11, 2003 12:14 PM |
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plus with antimagic you cannot cast beneficial spells on your guy anymore, while with magic mirror you can. Still, at 20% chance of working, its pointless. The heroes 4 version that works all the time, now thats more like it...
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I
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posted August 11, 2003 03:00 PM |
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Now If that mirror would be a mass spell...
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enchant
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posted August 11, 2003 03:06 PM |
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...and 100%, and caused your target army to be converted to black dragons...
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I
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posted August 11, 2003 04:14 PM |
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No, no lols, MM is such crap that It should be mass to be an avarage one.
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Lord_Woock
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posted August 11, 2003 06:32 PM |
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One question - if I casted MM on battle dwarves and the opp attempted to cast implo on them, which will be checked first - dwarven resistance or MM "bouncing"?
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Yolk and God bless.
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I
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posted August 12, 2003 02:35 AM |
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Now that Is a difficoult question .....
It would be funny when The Dwarfes would resist that and then MM would work.
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angelito
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posted August 12, 2003 09:34 AM |
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One question - if I casted MM on battle dwarves and the opp attempted to cast implo on them, which will be checked first - dwarven resistance or MM "bouncing"?
If I remember correct, only "mind spells" are effected by magic mirror. Try it with faeries in your editor!
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Aculias
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posted August 13, 2003 04:36 AM |
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Not many use magic mirror because of the only 30% of repel, you cant even garuntee 50% of the time the spell will work.
Basically if some one cast a spell like implosion on you, the mirror will block the spell & send it back at a random creature.
Blind or any negative status works.
Sacrafice is like a stronger version of res but not without a price.
Exp fire give it better affect & I am not positive about the #'s.
This spell saved my neck a few times back then, but a misuse also killed me hehe.
Basically say you have 9 Arch Angels & you lose 5.
You also have say 16 Pikes, you can sacrafice those pikes (Disapear through the entire game) to bring your 5 Arch Angels.
The many HP you can res from sac depends also on your fire skill & spell power also.
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I
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posted August 14, 2003 09:51 PM |
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If I remember correct, only "mind spells" are effected by magic mirror. Try it with faeries in your editor!
Either again I didn't understand u or u'r wrong
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