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Kittenangel
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posted September 26, 2003 06:17 AM |
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United States and it's Taxes
This is an email I got from a friend and I just thought it was funny and I wanted to share it with you.
Accounts Receivable Tax
Building Permit Tax
Capital Gains Tax
CDL license Tax
Cigarette Tax
Corporate Income Tax
Court Fines (indirect taxes)
Dog License Tax
Federal Income Tax
Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA)
Fishing License Tax
Food License Tax
Fuel permit tax
Gasoline Tax (42 cents per gallon)
Hunting License Tax
Inheritance Tax Interest expense (tax on the money)
Inventory tax IRS Interest Charges (tax on top of tax)
IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax)
Liquor Tax
Local Income Tax
Luxury Taxes
Marriage License Tax
Medicare Tax
Property Tax
Real Estate Tax
Septic Permit Tax
Service Charge Taxes
Social Security Tax
Road Usage Taxes (Truckers)
Sales Taxes
Recreational Vehicle Tax
Road Toll Booth Taxes
School Tax
State Income Tax
State Unemployment Tax (SUTA)
Telephone federal excise tax
Telephone federal universal service fee tax
Telephone federal, state and local surcharge taxes
Telephone minimum usage surcharge tax
Telephone recurring and non-recurring charges tax
Telephone state and local tax
Telephone usage charge tax
Toll Bridge Taxes
Toll Tunnel Taxes
Traffic Fines (indirect taxation)
Trailer registration tax
Utility Taxes
Vehicle License Registration Tax
Vehicle Sales Tax
Watercraft registration Tax
Well Permit Tax
Workers Compensation Tax
COMMENTS: Not one of these taxes existed 100 years ago and our nation was
the most prosperous in the world, had absolutely no national debt, had the
largest middle class in the world and Mom stayed home to raise the kids.
What the heck happened?
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Aquaman333
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posted September 26, 2003 06:49 AM |
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Inflation happened. We need more money because a dollar doesn't go as far as it used to.
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Shadowcaster
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posted September 26, 2003 06:50 AM |
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My two cents...
I personally believe that it is because the world is trying to rush into the future and all too often, it takes the wrong path. The world is much too hasty to embrace change and believes that things must change to fit the changing times, when no change is usually needed.
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Celfious
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posted September 26, 2003 10:00 AM |
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it was 2511 years ago since the plauge hit. Repulsing itself through every part of the body, stenching the towns with putrid disgust, and the corpse killed any animal dared touch it.
Not even 100 years ago my grand father was in the 2nd world war because of NWO attempts by a barbaric thinking group.
Man, may be a natrual disaster but I hope not. These taxes are useful for now.
Only 1 on the list is tobbaco that I think should be gone.. How could a world alow the market for 1 thing that dose nothing but harm?
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Dingo
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posted September 26, 2003 02:58 PM |
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Actually the US has had a nation debt since the Revolutionary War. We do have alot of taxes but they are not as bad as some other countries. But the scary part is alot of the tax money the US receives becomes "misplaced."
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Lady_Milena
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posted September 26, 2003 10:38 PM |
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Let me dispell some of your illusions.
No, it is not inflation that did the trick.
Right now the major factor to kill American economy is deflation. I won't be going into details as that's not interesting right now BUT the significant of deflation is that the bank interest plummets and stays at low levels.
Why is it so bad?
Because people would rather spend their money elsewhere, or rather, keep it at home, where they know they can have em available any time. And it's the banks that provide money for companies to invest. No money comes in, no money comes out.
With no money for investment, companies have to struggle to get resources. That's how they don't get resources.
So, there must be a way for the government to take money and invest it. That's right. Taxes.
Also,another illusion. No country, at any point, has debt zero or close. N O P E. That does not work that way. No country can make its national debt to zero, neither is it convenient. Why? Because of trading. Every country's best policy is to transfer one type of debt to another, thus getting lower interest and better conditions to pay it.
National debts can be traded just like bonds. In a way, this is a way to keep relationships between countries growing.
The US -does- happen to have the biggest debt in the world iirc and if someone has more, it's Russia. But see. The absolute number of the debt does not really matter. What matters is what part it is of the national treasure, the conditions of the debts AND their weight upon a single person of the population. I'll give you an example. Let's take Bulgaria (where I live) and the US as examples. Let's say that both have $10,000,000,000 of debts to pay. However, Bulgaria has 8,000,000 people and the US - 100 times more. Naturally, the Americans will need MUCH less time to get rid of it. The national product is much bigger too.
Of course, I can go on explaining... but who cares about it?
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Lord_Woock
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posted September 26, 2003 11:38 PM |
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Oh my, and I thought Poland was the world debt champion. Yay!
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Lady_Milena
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posted September 27, 2003 09:15 PM |
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Not really.
Poland is quite OK compared to some other countries. Take Brazil or Argentina. They go in the D every few years.
Oh, speaking again of taxes.
There are taxes and taxes. Taxes can be local or federal and some of those that you enlisted are local, some federal. Like SS is a federal type of tax, it's for every person. It's -obligatory-. Some taxes are not like that. Example, take the cigarette tax. Since cigarettes are considered hazardous for the health, they fall into another category and the federals take a special tax to back up medical security. Thus, the tax affects only smokers. Also, if you have a dog, you pay a dog tax. That's for registering your dog as your property. You don't have a dog, you pay no tax.
Think of some of the local taxes as fees. Like, if you go to the opera, you pay an entrance fee. That's the same thing and the money goes for the funds securing and supporting the cause you are paying for (health care, dump tax, etc)
And yeah, it does make sense
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posted September 28, 2003 09:41 AM |
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It's not the taxes that chap my hide, it's that we send so much of it overseas, to help those damn for'ners...
And I would be really pissed.. but since we consume most of the world's resources I can't seem to work myself into much of a lather.
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bjorn190
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posted September 28, 2003 10:05 AM |
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Quote:
What the heck happened?
Civilization happened.
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Lady_Milena
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posted October 08, 2003 09:40 AM |
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Speaking of wasting.
Actually, that's the name of the game.
One of the few things that struck me as abhorrent in the US was how much people wasted. And it struck me real bad. It could be all that fast food wrapped in soooo many useless paper. Or, like I worked in a clothes store. We would receive the clothes wrapped separately in nylon bags with little sheets of paper inside. And I would spend hours to get rid of the bags. Don't tell me they need the bags. They don't. I know better. And after I was done, I would leave a HUGE pile of trash and it would all go to the dump. So much material WASTED.
ANd of course, food. People would bite an apple, then throw out the rest. My best friend there. She would start noddles, get half of them, then throw the rest out. And it's all food. All money. All WASTE.
And all of it was worked for, someone used the time, resources and efforts to make it. For what? To go to the dump. And half of the trash gets piled up... until when?
People are used to the thought that resources are infinite and that they will never stop flowing towards them like a river.
FALSE.
With the current rates, the world's caches of resources would be empty before 2040. That is, no oil. No coal. Yeah, you heard me right. These resources are NOT endless. Where does the nylon for those plastic bags in the store come from? Petrol! The fuel for your car? The power for your PC to be on?
All resources. Not endless.
It's the problem that people do not care what they use and waste. There always will be more, right? You could spare the half of your uneaten lunch for next time. Won't be as great but next time you won't have to PAY for the next lunch. And resources can be still saved.
Even with kids. Most people don't -need- five kids to be happy. And yet, the more kids, the more population... as you can guess, the more people, the quicker the resources are going to go. With this growing population, it's a wild ride to cover all the growing needs and demand of resources.
Think of it this way. 2 kids would need clothes. 4 kids would need twice as much clothes.
I'm not saying people should stop having kids but hey, think over before jumping in bed with no condom on. It's still OK but I'm telling you, if they don't do something to stop the population from multiplying like this, soon there will be no food - we all live on one and the same land but twice as many people on it would need twice as many houses, twice as much food and care.
And I must admit, this worries me some.
All I can say is that something MUST be done and be done URGENTLY. I can see wars starting for resources merely. If you think of it, that's why Bush tried to lay the upper hand on Iraq. The oil there doesn't justify the means now but in 20 years it would be as precious as gold, I can bet.
And when all is over and done, WHAT are we going to do?
But for now... all those nifty big bosses on the top of the hierarcial heap would wield their wars to get the upper hand on the resources. Remember my words. It's like this so far but it would be 10 fold like that in the future. If ya control da resources, ya control da moola, ya control da world.
Remember it.
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posted October 08, 2003 12:55 PM |
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Solutions:
1. Recycling the resources instead of putting them to waste dumbs.
2. Using resources to research alternative fuel sources and their usability, instead of claiming the old ones. Alcohol, for example, is liable for alternative fuel but has it own dilemmas.
3. Using more of non-polluting and natural forces that are in endless supply as an energy. Such as wind, sun, currents and wawes.
4. Working together for better future insted of fighting each other for worse future.
There are more solutions to world's problems but I post them in later date.
"It's still OK but I'm telling you, if they don't do something to stop the population from multiplying like this, soon there will be no food - we all live on one and the same land but twice as many people on it would need twice as many houses, twice as much food and care."
Oh, but there will be food, in one form or another. People just need to throw their distastes away and start to eat what they before wouldn't even have touched, including each others. But don't think it as a cannibalism, think it as a survival of the fittest. All hail to evolution and to the golden principles it teaches!
I hope I didn't disturb anyone's slumber.
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posted October 08, 2003 04:58 PM |
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ur a nut thunder..
right now there is more open land then used land on the earth.. much much more if we figure out a way to make huge floating self sufficiant islands.
i saw this on the learning channel someone made his own island and is sailing around the ocean. i think its made up of huge air tanks (like the 10x the size of a gassoline truck) about 10-15 of them side by side, he added sand and grass and stuff he even has trees and bushes for food. im not sure how well it works out but he did it for years
anywho maybe we can make ourselves a extra continent somehow if we really needed too. or like in master of orion 2 you we can learn to live uderground. there are many many possibilities. (although i think we will be to lazy and just prefer to die off by then) also in 100 years we coulda have populated mars or the moon and under the sea.
im not worried about overpopulation, i bet if we really needed to we could have 20-30 billion people on the earth. i mean indias got over a billion and its tiny compaired to the U.S. and Canada. and Canada has 30 million people.
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Lady_Milena
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posted October 08, 2003 06:02 PM |
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1. Recycling the resources instead of putting them to waste dumbs.
A start but drawbacks: first, not all resources are recyclable, like, how would you get oil and timber?
Second, recycling is not for free either. Actually, it involves using a lot of other resources as well.
2. Using resources to research alternative fuel sources and their usability, instead of claiming the old ones. Alcohol, for example, is liable for alternative fuel but has it own dilemmas.
There -have- been such attempts so far but can YOU name a simple resource that has really done it? I have heard of using sh!t as a source for producing gas products in China. All of them have some significant drawback - either obtaining is WAY too expensive or there is a problem making the technology work or there are too much side products that need to be ... put somewhere.
3. Using more of non-polluting and natural forces that are in endless supply as an energy. Such as wind, sun, currents and wawes.
There HAVE been such attempts. Using the sun is a good one but it cannot provide enough energy all time long - remember there is winter and night? Batteries are expensive to make. To use the currents and waves is soooooo ridiculously expensive, plus, not EVERY country has oceans/seas, even rivers aplenty. HOW are they supposed to get water for power? Same things with wind. Windy countries DO have mills at this point (see Dutchland) . But how about countries like Bulgaria who do not have enough wind?
4. Working together for better future insted of fighting each other for worse future.
Now, that's something to work on. But good luck, I'm telling ya. Will need it.
Oh, but there will be food, in one form or another. People just need to throw their distastes away and start to eat what they before wouldn't even have touched, including each others. But don't think it as a cannibalism, think it as a survival of the fittest. All hail to evolution and to the golden principles it teaches!
Oh, I'm afraid human flesh tastes bad. Also, do you remember the old English thing of the industial revolution? "The sheep ate the men." What you're saying is that "men ate the men". Which was their own fault too. Recklessness leads to that, it does.
**yawns from afternoon slumber**
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posted October 08, 2003 10:02 PM |
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What can I say? I hate capitalism.
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Lady_Milena
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posted October 08, 2003 10:38 PM |
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You may hate it but as Churchill said, who has thought of anything better?
Like, communism looks like the perfect thing at first sight. Guess what. They tried it in Russia! Didn't work!
Feudalism. Didn't work for a long time. Why? Many reasons, but mainly the emancipation of minds and the industrial revolution which shifted a lot of resources.
It's hard to think of something that is TRULY fair.
Laws of nature. A matter of definiton...
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posted October 09, 2003 02:21 AM |
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Like, communism looks like the perfect thing at first sight. Guess what. They tried it in Russia! Didn't work!
So something fails a couple of times and we already give up? I am sorry but I think we can work with this idea a bit and make it work. Democracy also failed in ancient greece but at a certain point some people took that idea, saw that it was correct in it's fundamentals and changed it to make it work.
And as long as we are on the topic of communism, I have to say that the Soviet Union was pretty far from communist. With people like Stalin to turn it into a goddamn dictatorship, certain flaws in the law system that allowed those people to do this, and the interference of the US (pretty hard to work on an idea like communism when a huge nation like the US is trying to destroy you with all it's might, don't you think?) Don't think that the Soviet Union had no advantages over capitalism either - most people had work and a chance for an excelent education in a system that is yet to be beaten.
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Feudalism. Didn't work for a long time. Why? Many reasons, but mainly the emancipation of minds and the industrial revolution which shifted a lot of resources.
The industrial revolution shifted a lot of resources and was the foundation of capitalism but a key concept of that capitalism is expansion, something that's not happening anymore. This means the capitalist system is gonna fail soon unless we start expansions on the moon and mars - not something that I see happening in the near future.
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posted October 09, 2003 06:43 AM |
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Hon, it's one very simple question, I've asked it before and I would go on with it every time. Communism is all about...
"Why would I have to share my pie with my neighbour when I can have all of it?"
I have lived in a communist country for long enough. The idea may work for small, secluded societies, but not for real counties. Someone's selfish nature will finally tempt them to take and 'forget' to give. You can change the order of society but not people's natures.
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posted October 10, 2003 01:58 AM |
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Before I even say anything I have to just make a note: I do not directly support communism/socialism in any form that appeared in history so far, but rather believe that the ideal and functional method of government will be similar to it in many ways. And yes, personally I do prefer communism over pure capitalism.
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"Why would I have to share my pie with my neighbour when I can have all of it?"
I have lived in a communist country for long enough. The idea may work for small, secluded societies, but not for real counties. Someone's selfish nature will finally tempt them to take and 'forget' to give. You can change the order of society but not people's natures.
The argument of human nature is, indeed, the strongest one that capitalists have and defiantly the one that I am most concerned about. However, the human nature argument has been used in history for almost any kind of change that's been proposed. When democracy was proposed, it was said that people need a monarch and their "human nature" prevents them from being able to elect correctly. Critics of democracy always said that this concept would never work because society is too chaotic, and that is the human nature: they would say that the democratic country is just a herd of sheep with no shepherd but those people were proven wrong. Democracy has been proven to work, despite human nature. Same thing applies to the fight for equal rights for minorities: the opposition constantly tries to say that discrimination is in our blood, that people will never be able to respect those of different colours. They said that because every family since the beginning of history was male dominated it was the right way to live, but I believe that these ideas have been reformed.
The fact that you believe that all people are selfish is because they are encouraged to be that way in the capitalist society. Those who are not selfish never become rich (unless they start out with a lot of money). Maybe if a society was not based on selfishness, human nature would not seem so selfish?
If there will be follow-ups, I only ask for one thing: don't tell me that in the USSR/China/Cuba/NK there are selfish people who are not willing to share and that the system failed there. I agree that happens, but I refuse to discuss these countries as communist so all examples from them are irrelevant.
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posted October 12, 2003 04:32 AM |
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I come from Russia, and we joke: "it wasn't like this when communism was around". Reply: "Communism wasn't around". The whole thing was corrupt to bones and done pretty badly, often giving power to workers who are utterly uneducated and stupid. I don't mean workers are stupid, I mean some workers are really stupid, and are not good to represent the workers.
I think development of society rests on values of individuals. Anyone read a book about visitors from planet Larga? Whether real or not, it has some really interesting advice.
I think a person has to discover it in themselves that striving for material things brings only temporary satisfaction in the process, which then quickly vanishes. Being creative and helping others bring a sense of self-worth that causes lasting satisfaction. Quests for excessive material worth are often caused by a sense of lack of personal worth.
As for democracy, where does it exist? I feel it exists as much as communism existed in Soviet Union. I've put many examples in my 'hypocrisies of global trade' thread. In New Zealand, a democratic country where I am now, also lots of undemocratic things happened under the guise of democracy.
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