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Celfious
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posted November 08, 2003 05:38 PM |
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i hope british and american youngsters returns home before they hunted one by one every day
how dose the talaban god alow such murder as this?
"before we're hunted"?? Excuse me, but they have their target scopes on now, they just cant get a shot in.
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posted November 08, 2003 09:37 PM |
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what is the population of america?
"the war" has no point?
I dont consider this a war. I consider it a struggle to relive the power from terrorists and unfortunately Sadam probably had ties with them, since the residation of much anti americanism (aka anti whomever is opposed to the taliban) lied within his monarchies administration.
There is a point, ludicrous to think otherwise. We'd be dead by now if they had their way!
All they want to do is kill us.. Wipe us out, and mabey start up slavery again with the left over. They will 1 day (be it 500 years, or 50 years) if they have enough power, try to wipe out all that is not on their side. WHen that happens, there'll be new sides. And the dominate will provail in its evil light. Unless we (the world) put an end to ethnicentrism, which is the basis of this terrorism.
The price of victory, the way we're going at it, is a struggle. We are struggling to be victorious. What is our goal? The first 1 is world peace. The second one, is for the world to cooperate with eachother.
Celfious, man, you think the same way I do. The way people are acting does nothing but hurt our troops. How would you like it if you were off in some foreign country defending your nation's freedom when all you have to look forward to when you get home are boos coming from punks who have no grasp of what we are trying to achieve? The same thing happened in Vietnam, and that's one of the reasons America lost to the Vietcong, lack of support back home.
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posted November 09, 2003 01:47 AM |
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Lack of support is a bad thing. In the Billy Joel song, "Goodnight Saigon" there is a line "we had no home front" exactly what you were talking about. Sad really.
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posted November 09, 2003 02:52 AM |
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That depends on your perspective, many students and people protested for different reasons, but some were protesting because they genuinely disagreed with the war, and lets face it, there were some pretty decent reasons to be against the war in Vietnam. It's every persons duty to say their feelings in a democracy and if that means protesting because the government simply won't listen then that is what needs to be done. I don't think it's as cut and dry as simply supporting the troops and/or government at times of war. If you genuinely think said war is wrong for both your country and the world, then it is your duty to both say so and try to prevent it.
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posted November 09, 2003 03:13 AM |
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But just put yourself in the soldiers' shoes. Being spit on and being called a "baby-killer" is not exactly the nicest thing to do. To disagree with the war is one thing, but to take it out on the troops who, let's face it, basicly just went through Hell on Earth, is pretty low.
A girl I worked with this summer (that's why I wasn't very active here this summer, I was away) was in a ROTC program. And one night after she was done with that, she went to the store in her uniform because she didn't have time to change. And some woman came up to her and started calling her a baby-killer. So this nonsense is not over. Protesting war is one thing, being a jerk is quite another. Don't get them mixed up.
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posted November 09, 2003 04:14 AM |
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Since you weren't very specific in your comments it's hard to determine which you were referring to. Even so, some in my country and I don't doubt yours call protestors unpatriotic and such like, that is wrong also. Also as far as I'm concerned the military sign up for that kind of thing, they get paid a damn sight more than I do and in this day and age half of our military never even see combat, they know the score when they sign up, they know they may have to "go through hell". That's why we pay them that much, that's why we give them and if necessary their widows a better pension than I will ever get from my country.
It is wrong to generalise the military yes, as is generalising anyone, including protestors, but I don't personally feel that sorry for a bunch of people who actually chose to join the army and go through life knowing they may have to fight a war. This is no longer the age of conscription, our military is made up of people who by and large wish to be in it, I therefore have no need to see why I should feel sorry for these people for going through hell when they know that will be the case. There's a lot about my job I hate, but I do it, and I know I have to do it, because I chose that job and I get paid for it. Same thing there.
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posted November 09, 2003 07:27 PM |
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Also as far as I'm concerned the military sign up for that kind of thing, they get paid a damn sight more than I do
I was talking about Vietnam, and in that case, they did not sign up for it. They get paid moer than you? You must not be paid very much. It's like teachers, they are not paid enough.
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posted November 09, 2003 08:03 PM |
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The basic 16 year old, straight out of boot camp squaddie gets the same wage as me, everyone else gets more, officers ludicrously more. As for Vietnam, in many cases people did avoid serving, and conscription I believe wasn't in place for the entire population or the whole war. As I was refferring to the modern conflict (hence the remark about most not seeing action these days) though my comment still stands.
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Celfious
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posted November 10, 2003 03:32 AM |
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When I was in the navy.. I didnt have bills and I wrapped up like 1300 a month right under the presidents nose.
Hey mabey thats fair pay cuz I worked my *** off alot of the time.
The officers, lowest ones made half as much as a 20 year enlisted made. They made as much as E5s. Their whiney little ***tards with there schools, mp3 players, ect.. I'm quite mad at the life my division officer lived. Hed go to the gym while we bust our ***es and pretend like he never went. He had his own room! and in port they gave him a place with a fridge and everything.
Screw that! All we had was more $$$ than we needed. They had 3 times that, and luxuries even 15 year chiefs didnt have. Officer programs ok but not the one we have.
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posted November 10, 2003 04:48 AM |
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Gosh, now all those Iraqi refugees are gonna immigrant here. Thats awesome news.
Please note the sarcasm.
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Celfious
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posted November 11, 2003 12:16 AM |
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Perhaps if the world started working together, than more places would be where people want to go.
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posted November 11, 2003 12:21 AM |
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Gosh, now all those Iraqi refugees are gonna immigrant here. Thats awesome news.
Please note the sarcasm.
Please note the title of the thread, if you can't stand the consequences, your country shouldn't have fought the war.
Celfious: Wow that like made sense  I understood it! Well said 
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posted November 30, 2003 07:30 PM |
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well im just kinda reviving this thread, but as of last nite, the US death toll count numbered 77, thats more than twice the death count in october and september put 2gether, and now 2 japeneese diplomats were killed, and some spainish soldiers or some1 from spain was killed in iraq...
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