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Well I have to go by your ignorance in regards to the Bible when it comes to using small words with you. A biologist uh? Well then it should be even more clear to you that having a relationship with a spirit, that you can not see nor feel, seems absurd. Although this should be taken over to the other thread in reference specifically to this subject.
Exactly, this is a red herring... It doesn't belong here and is just empty retoric on your part.
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Let me make this very simple for you, you are not suppose to judge others within your "Christan" world that you reside. You have in fact done so in regards to the original question, "what one thinks about gay couples". You have smeared this with Bible quotes and so called facts, then have the gull to say,
That's just laughable. You've done plenty of judging hypocrite. I'm not judging anyone... All I'm saying is that the Bible teaches that homosexuality is a sin. You can feel free to make the conection.
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That is correct, you and I are sinners and according to you the sin of the gay man or women is not accepted by your cult, correct? That is what you said in your post, right? So your own faith does not even accept you because why, your a sinner, we all are.
Do yo know that people go to church for all different reasons, if you want to find the greatest of all sinners step foot in a church, that is where they go to be healed and saved by your God.
You almost have it right. People who live in intentional sin and claim to be sinless do not have a place in church. Therefore people who are homosexual, but say I'm not sinning and I don't care what you think do not have a place in church. They can repent their position and turn to God for the forgiveness of their sins. If they want to do that, then they are free to return to the church.
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If you could care less about the Bible, which is a much greater work than your opinion, then why should I care about your opinion?
So now one has to believe in the Bible in order for you to validate their words, spoken like a true Christian slim.
No you don't have to believe in the Bible for your words to be validated, but bashing the Bible and expecting me to cling to your every opinion is flat out arrogant.
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God is holy and perfect so he considers homosexuality a sin.
So people are born with disabilities and deformities because God is perfect and Holy, being born both genders and being forced to pick one. Then live in fear that Christians such as yourself, will come along a spear them in the back with Bible quotes and justify their hatred by holding the book in front of them for protection? Great can't wait to come over to your house for Christmas, maybe you could give me a travel Bible so I can go around a regurgitate this onto others.
God is perfect and holy people are born broken and sinful. The issue has nothing to do with our physical condition, but our relationship with God. Homosexuals claim to be sinless, but that's the problem. They cannot have a relationship with God untill they repent that position.
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posted July 12, 2007 07:23 PM |
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And by the way no you don't have to believe in the Bible for your words to be validated, but bashing the Bible and expecting me to cling to your every opinion is flat out arrogant.
And by bashing gay couples and their rights as people and as Christians (by their definition, which is more sound then yours) to live as they wish by doing no harm to others, is racing to the finish line of arrogants.
definition of judgeing: {quote] to form an estimate or evaluation of; especially : to form a negative opinion about <shouldn't judge him because of his accent>
Or in your case because of what they do to each other behind closed doors.
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posted July 12, 2007 07:53 PM |
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WEEEEEEEEEE round and round we go.
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We have our moral code that we live by. If you don't like it... feel free to live however you want to live. Just don't think that we're going to accept your lifestyle.
Um, not judging anyone slim? May you spend a moment to read what you wrote and try not to misread it. You state you are a Christian, right? Above, " Just don't think that we're going to accept your lifestyle."
Thin is judging slim, no stretch of the imagination, it is straight out saying that "your" people will not accept them, you consider them sinners and they will not be accepted by "your" people. Again as if you are a separate entity from those that are gay or sinners in general. So who is the hypocrite? As if you are better and that is judging.
Once again you ALMOST have it right. A sinner can enter a church. (building) They can hear the gospel. If they respond to the gospel and repent, and turn to God for the forgiveness of their sins, then they are adopted into Gods family and join the Church. (universal) However if they are gay, or alcoholics, or fornicators, or murders that refuse to give up their lifestyle and say that what they are doing isn't wrong, then they do no join the Church and do not become Christians. You're flat out spreading lies concerning judging and the church.
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They cannot have a relationship with God untill they repent that position.
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I have gay friends and non of them have ever stated that they are sin free. You yourself admits that we are not sin free.But you the sinner have the balls to judge them and band them until they repent the rightful way in your eyes. Please.
And the part about those being born broken was just an insightful take on a God that claims to be perfect and by all rights should make our lives perfect, but damn the apple. *Holds head in hands in laughter*
I have repented of my sins, and I continually strive to become more and more holy. I am still a sinner, but I don't openly condone my actions or consider them ok. Anytime I swear, speak in anger, lust in my thoughts I take full responsiblity for those actions and return to God in humility and ask for forgiveness. That is the main distinction here. They think that what they are doing is fine, and even try to justify it. I justify nothing if it is wrong. You continually try to justify your evil actions.
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No you don't have to believe in the Bible for your words to be validated, but bashing the Bible and expecting me to cling to your every opinion is flat out arrogant.
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And by the way no you don't have to believe in the Bible for your words to be validated, but bashing the Bible and expecting me to cling to your every opinion is flat out arrogant.
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And by bashing gay couples and their rights as people and as Christians (by their definition, which is more sound then yours) to live as they wish by doing no harm to others, is racing to the finish line of arrogants.
Sorry, but Christians do not have the RIGHT to be homosexual. Their definition is definetly not sound. If they want to convince the government that they deserve the same rights as heterosexual couples do, then thats fine by me. My issue is with homosexuals that spread false doctrine by claiming that it's not a sin to be homosexual, and by homosexual I meen the actuall act of having sex with someone of the same gender.
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Or in your case because of what they do to each other behind closed doors.
Don't be ignorant. Nearly all the evil in this world occours behind closed doors. Everyone is guilty of it.
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posted July 12, 2007 08:01 PM |
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Humans judge others all the time it seems.
You go by the code  .
It's not your say to judge a person.
You misintrepet the bible just like most christians these days lol.
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posted July 12, 2007 08:10 PM |
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Humans judge others all the time it seems.
You go by the code .
It's not your say to judge a person.
You misintrepet the bible just like most christians these days lol.
That's your opinion, and stop judging me
Oh and try to imagine a world where nobody is judged for what they do...
Kill someone? Thats ok don't judge them.
Steal? Thats ok don't judge them.
Only judge things that cause harm? Isn't that your opinion as to what harm is? You can't be the judge of that.
You people live in a theoretical world where its ok to do whatever you want to.
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posted July 12, 2007 08:14 PM |
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You people live in a theoretical world where its ok to do whatever you want to.
I wonder who these people are. Non-christians?
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posted July 12, 2007 08:22 PM |
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You people live in a theoretical world where its ok to do whatever you want to.
I wonder who these people are. Non-christians?
That isn't what I meant. All governments have their moral code, and most religions have a moral code. I'm talking about the people who say "live and let live" without any regards to how the world actually runs. It's a pure theoretical stance that was blasted to death with the book Lord of the Flys It's a world with no rules, no order, and leads to death and chaos.
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posted July 12, 2007 08:32 PM |
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All governments have their moral code
Umm... No. Governments have laws. Most do not have moral codes. The only ones that do are non-secular states.
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All governments have their moral code
Umm... No. Governments have laws. Most do not have moral codes. The only ones that do are non-secular states.
A moral code IS a law.
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law1 /lɔ/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[law] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun 1. the principles and regulations established in a community by some authority and applicable to its people, whether in the form of legislation or of custom and policies recognized and enforced by judicial decision.
2. any written or positive rule or collection of rules prescribed under the authority of the state or nation, as by the people in its constitution. Compare bylaw, statute law.
3. the controlling influence of such rules; the condition of society brought about by their observance: maintaining law and order.
4. a system or collection of such rules.
5. the department of knowledge concerned with these rules; jurisprudence: to study law.
6. the body of such rules concerned with a particular subject or derived from a particular source: commercial law.
7. an act of the supreme legislative body of a state or nation, as distinguished from the constitution.
8. the principles applied in the courts of common law, as distinguished from equity.
9. the profession that deals with law and legal procedure: to practice law.
10. legal action; litigation: to go to law.
11. a person, group, or agency acting officially to enforce the law: The law arrived at the scene soon after the alarm went off.
12. any rule or injunction that must be obeyed: Having a nourishing breakfast was an absolute law in our household.
13. a rule or principle of proper conduct sanctioned by conscience, concepts of natural justice, or the will of a deity: a moral law.
14. a rule or manner of behavior that is instinctive or spontaneous: the law of self-preservation.
15. (in philosophy, science, etc.) a. a statement of a relation or sequence of phenomena invariable under the same conditions.
b. a mathematical rule.
16. a principle based on the predictable consequences of an act, condition, etc.: the law of supply and demand.
17. a rule, principle, or convention regarded as governing the structure or the relationship of an element in the structure of something, as of a language or work of art: the laws of playwriting; the laws of grammar.
18. a commandment or a revelation from God.
19. (sometimes initial capital letter) a divinely appointed order or system.
20. the Law. Law of Moses.
21. the preceptive part of the Bible, esp. of the New Testament, in contradistinction to its promises: the law of Christ.
22. British Sports. an allowance of time or distance given a quarry or competitor in a race, as the head start given a fox before the hounds are set after it.
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code /koʊd/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[kohd] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation noun, verb, cod·ed, cod·ing.
–noun 1. a system for communication by telegraph, heliograph, etc., in which long and short sounds, light flashes, etc., are used to symbolize the content of a message: Morse code.
2. a system used for brevity or secrecy of communication, in which arbitrarily chosen words, letters, or symbols are assigned definite meanings.
3. any set of standards set forth and enforced by a local government agency for the protection of public safety, health, etc., as in the structural safety of buildings (building code), health requirements for plumbing, ventilation, etc. (sanitary or health code), and the specifications for fire escapes or exits (fire code).
4. a systematically arranged collection or compendium of laws, rules, or regulations.
5. any authoritative, general, systematic, and written statement of the legal rules and principles applicable in a given legal order to one or more broad areas of life.
6. a word, letter, number, or other symbol used in a code system to mark, represent, or identify something: The code on the label shows the date of manufacture.
7. Computers. the symbolic arrangement of statements or instructions in a computer program in which letters, digits, etc. are represented as binary numbers; the set of instructions in such a program: That program took 3000 lines of code. Compare ASCII, object code, source code.
8. any system or collection of rules and regulations: a gentleman's code of behavior.
9. Medicine/Medical. a directive or alert to a hospital team assigned to emergency resuscitation of patients.
10. Genetics. genetic code.
11. Linguistics. a. the system of rules shared by the participants in an act of communication, making possible the transmission and interpretation of messages.
b. (in sociolinguistic theory) one of two distinct styles of language use that differ in degree of explicitness and are sometimes thought to be correlated with differences in social class. Compare elaborated code, restricted code.
–verb (used with object) 12. to translate (a message) into a code; encode.
13. to arrange or enter (laws or statutes) in a code.
14. Computers. to translate (a program) into language that can be communicated to the computer.
–verb (used without object) 15. Genetics. to specify the amino acid sequence of a protein by the sequence of nucleotides comprising the gene for that protein: a gene that codes for the production of insulin.
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posted July 12, 2007 09:02 PM |
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Moral code is not a synonym for law.
Some synonyms for Law from Merriam-Webster dictionary
:LAW, RULE, REGULATION, PRECEPT, STATUTE, ORDINANCE, CANON
Moral codes are the likes of the Golden Rule etc.
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posted July 12, 2007 09:26 PM |
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Code and Law are not even close to the same thing. Biologist? Um, what school did you attend?
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posted July 12, 2007 09:33 PM |
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Code and Law are not even close to the same thing. Biologist? Um, what school did you attend?
Where are you people getting this stuff? Honestly, do you just make things up as you go along in life?
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Main Entry: law
Part of Speech: noun 1
Definition: rules
Synonyms: act, assize, behest, bidding, bylaw, canon, case, caveat, charge, charter, code, command, commandment, constitution, covenant, decision, decree, decretum, demand, dictate, divestiture, due process, edict, enactment, equity, garnishment, injunction, institute, instruction, jurisprudence, legislation, mandate, measure, notice, order, ordinance, precedent, precept, prescript, prescription, reg, regulation, requirement, ruling, statute, subpoena, summons, warrant, writ
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Main Entry: code
Part of Speech: noun 2
Definition: law
Synonyms: canon, charter, codex, constitution, convention, custom, digest, discipline, ethics, etiquette, manners, maxim, method, regulation, rule, system
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Main Entry: moral code
Part of Speech: noun
Definition: value system
Synonyms: code of conduct, ethicalness, good morals, ideology, morality, moral philosophy, morals, principles, standards, values
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posted July 12, 2007 09:34 PM |
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Why not judge you lol.
Your a hater.
You are a racist & your prejudice.
It all goes to your code.
Yea I think there is a good reason to judge you.
Maybe you like your manly nieghbor when he mows his lawn shirtless & dont even know it.....Yet
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Main Entry: moral code
Part of Speech: noun
Definition: value system
Synonyms: code of conduct, ethicalness, good morals, ideology, morality, moral philosophy, morals, principles, standards, values
From here you should be able to see for yourself that moral code is not entirely a synonym for law.
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posted July 12, 2007 10:04 PM |
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perfection is in the eyes of the beholder.
basically, if you are a homosexual christian, then god is gay. if your not he is straight. this concept can work on so many levels.
to most people, this issue doesn't matter. if god doesn't like gays, then he is a homophobe and should burn in hell. if he does, then he is a homophile and should burn in hell. this arguement can go around and around, with no right or wrong.
the main problem is that we have no idea what god likes, because if we see him in an afterlife, we have no way of going back to people and say "actually, he does like family guy, AC/DC and the works of edgar allen poe, but he isn't too keen on evangelicals, satanists or the Akira movie." even if there is a after life, which most of us doubt, it will be much the same as this one, just harder, with a big boss at the end, with a few more interesting weapons (man, i have to really stop playing Zelda: twilight princess)
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posted July 12, 2007 10:14 PM |
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So in your denomination (which is completely different then stating "Christians" as your people) you have this code that what, everyone gets stamped on their head before entering the church so yo guys know who to go and biblically hang?
Don't bring the government up as some backbone to your already outlandish ways of trying to make the rest of us think is normal. Have your freaky code that you follow, but don't try to pass it of as some law to the rest of us sane individuals.
Shouldn't you be off somewhere saving seahorses or something?
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posted July 12, 2007 10:23 PM |
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VF, who was that at, me or shadey?
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posted July 12, 2007 10:27 PM |
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Ridiculous ideas from Setitetart and Violent_Flower.
Insert noises of a cat hissing! I don't know Setitetart, but Violent_Flower is the best moral poster I've seen in a long, long time! Just wanted to get that out there.
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posted July 12, 2007 10:31 PM |
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Please Bixi that was to Shadey 
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posted July 12, 2007 10:32 PM |
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Hey daystar first time for everything right? That is me the moral poster .. Kisses to all my fans.. How are things with you...
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