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doomnezeu
Supreme Hero
Miaumiaumiau
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posted January 22, 2004 10:36 AM |
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Ahem... Destroy the Tent??
No really, against Gost Behemoths, stone skin is useless. You can cast it over and over, and the GB will just ignore it, like a good fellow he is...
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Lord_Woock
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Daddy Cool with a $90 smile
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posted January 22, 2004 11:27 AM |
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7 Antichrist stacks will kill all opposition
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War-A-Tron
Tavern Dweller
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posted January 22, 2004 11:48 AM |
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Ahem... Destroy the Tent??
No really, against Gost Behemoths, stone skin is useless. You can cast it over and over, and the GB will just ignore it, like a good fellow he is...
This is the scenario.
If I Use Gem as a hero, the commander starts with a skill thats gives meditents* Level (something like that).
Lets say a simple battle. 7 Antichrists v 4 Dimond Dragons.
Meditents have 125 Health, and Gen is a hero that is very easy to get expert First Aid with (Not to forget Stone Skin)
Meditents can spawn in dozens at the start of a typical mid hero level battle. Lets say 14 meditents.
To Attack and destroy meditents, thats 1500 health + Instant Gem Hero Specialisation boot Stoneskin (and if your def is higher... the better)
Add to that that the dimond dragons have 50% Blind
And that spells can be cast on Antichrists. And a full heal on Dimond Dragons each round from meditents.
If the antichrists attack the Dimond dragons, any damage is refunded by the Meditents. If the Dimond Dragon blinds the Antichrists then thats a free attack for the Dimond Dragon.
If the antichrists attack the tents. then the Dimond dragons get free attacks. Follow as above.
Ahh, but what about casting spells on the Meditents? A mid level lightning bolt will only do, say, 200 Damage. Thats 8 Turns before the tents dissapear.
I would be surprised if the antichrists killed even 1 dimond dragon.
As you can see. Dimond Dragons are not the most fragile, they are in fact, the best Unit in the game! Imagine Splitting your dragons. That would mean damage shared, thus lasting longer.
As you can see, if Gem was a high level, having 20+ Meditents is not uncommon. If she concentrates on building defence stats and perhaps armourer, she is unstoppable. The enemy needs to do 500+ damage a turn without magic to beat just 1 dragon (do to full heal every turn from medikits)
Even a couple of Dimond Dragons and no other units = arrmageddon type spell every round.
Against Ghost behmoths, the blind ability of Dimond Dragons alone is enough to ensure a victory
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Lord_Woock
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Daddy Cool with a $90 smile
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posted January 22, 2004 01:59 PM |
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Hah, but you are completely missing the point!
Let's say there are no hero spells involved. I've got 7 antichrists divided into 7 stacks, against 7 diamond dragons in one stack. I throw my antichrists at your dragons till they stone em, and once the drags are stoned, I attack the tents. Once the tents are out, all of my antichrists attack your draggies, and you're a hell of a lucky bastard if you get a chance of attacking any of my antichrists, let alone blinding em.
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Yolk and God bless.
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War-A-Tron
Tavern Dweller
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posted January 22, 2004 03:47 PM |
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Hah, but you are completely missing the point!
Let's say there are no hero spells involved. I've got 7 antichrists divided into 7 stacks, against 7 diamond dragons in one stack. I throw my antichrists at your dragons till they stone em, and once the drags are stoned, I attack the tents. Once the tents are out, all of my antichrists attack your draggies, and you're a hell of a lucky bastard if you get a chance of attacking any of my antichrists, let alone blinding em.
Ahh But you have to remember that Dimond Dragons are immune to Magic. I have tried that tactic and stoneing just does not happen unfortunetly (You cannot even cast cure on Dimond Dragons, though the meditent heals). You have to be a bit careful with the breath attack from Dimond Dragons if attacking with multi stacks though  . Although I wonder if gorgons deathstare would work?
Amasingly, I have yet to find an effective couter stratagy to this. Most medium maps are won once I have 3 Dimond dragons Charge straight to their Main castle, opponent normally gives up once they see me heal the Dimond Dragon).
One opponent I played have beat me with an impossible to counter attack. What is it you may ask?
A Day 1 attack with him as player 1 and me as player 2. (Random Medium map, double move points selected in wog)
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Greek_god_su...
Famous Hero
Bringer Of Light
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posted January 23, 2004 08:21 PM |
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Greek_god....The Hell Hydras will be "unbeatable"
Yes, but so what, others are too and one more specialty doesnīt make hell hydra that more better than other type lvl8 creatures. They could be slower or something for balance.
*Thanks for that campaign you sended!
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regnus_khan
Responsible
Supreme Hero
[ Peacekeeper of Equilibris ]
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posted January 24, 2004 07:44 AM |
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Greek_god....The Hell Hydras will be "unbeatable"
Yes, but so what, others are too and one more specialty doesnīt make hell hydra that more better than other type lvl8 creatures. They could be slower or something for balance.
Look at the Hell Hydra's skills! Below 30 attack and below 30 defence! They won't be unbeatable. Still, there should be more decreases if we want to bring back the ability of unlimited retaliation.
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yasmiel
Supreme Hero
Former Chessmaster
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posted January 26, 2004 04:49 AM |
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Level 8 Creatures suck..... Idea is k, but they can unbalance the game severely.... L8 dwelings apear too often and L8 creature abilities r jut too much pumped up..... but thats just me... anyway wog owns in every other aspect 
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doomnezeu
Supreme Hero
Miaumiaumiau
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posted January 26, 2004 09:11 AM |
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Yes, there is a little unbalance in the game, but remember, 8th level creatures grow with 1 per week, wich make them sort of.. few
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War-A-Tron
Tavern Dweller
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posted January 26, 2004 10:54 AM |
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Greek_god....The Hell Hydras will be "unbeatable"
Yes, but so what, others are too and one more specialty doesnīt make hell hydra that more better than other type lvl8 creatures. They could be slower or something for balance.
Look at the Hell Hydra's skills! Below 30 attack and below 30 defence! They won't be unbeatable. Still, there should be more decreases if we want to bring back the ability of unlimited retaliation.
Anti-Magic and expert First aid and the Hell hydra is unbeatable
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Gangrail
Promising
Famous Hero
Dead Man
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posted January 28, 2004 06:49 AM |
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How do they unbalance the game since everyone can get em? And until then the azure was the strongest and it really unballanced the game if you got em.
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AcOrP
Tavern Dweller
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posted January 29, 2004 08:25 PM |
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lvl 8 monsters ownz
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yasmiel
Supreme Hero
Former Chessmaster
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posted January 30, 2004 11:48 PM |
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Well, i didnt think it unbalances fractions ( balance BEETWEEN 8th level creatures is k), what i meant it that they r unbalanced compared to lower level creatures ( azure and all other 8+ level monsters included) , as they render most of them useless(low level craets)... i think even 7th level should be bit weaker, but lv8 surely have to be hampered a bit. But since there is option to disable them i have nothing against WOG,... stay good
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AcOrP
Tavern Dweller
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posted January 31, 2004 12:56 AM |
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at all they dont unbalance anything on the map World is not enought i upgraded my Black Dragons to
950 health
double atack
100 damage
atack multiple targets
no retalation
and cant remember all but they was alot alot more stronger than other monsters... There is Altar of Power with 1 imp in it the imp that i fight was hell strong lets say 800 atack 800 defens all special skills 10000 health
hell damage cant remember exactly i won the battle thanks to all 8th lvl creatures my dragons and ofcorse onliest thing that hurted them was implusion even my implussion got reflected alot becouse of imps magic mirror.
but everything unbalance and balance the game...
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greatergnoll
Tavern Dweller
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posted February 10, 2004 12:40 AM |
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darkness dragons....what does their 'darkness' specialty do? checked h3wog.htm and it says that they give the hero 'vault of darkness' specialty. I'm not familiar with that...
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fnord
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted February 10, 2004 05:55 AM |
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darkness dragons....what does their 'darkness' specialty do? checked h3wog.htm and it says that they give the hero 'vault of darkness' specialty. I'm not familiar with that...
If you have them in your army, when you move, it will replace the shroud for all other players around your hero (but obviously not you).
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BURCUSH
Known Hero
Blood Captain of the Vampires
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posted March 06, 2004 08:14 AM |
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Balancing or not-balancing the game?. Of course I'm talking about Level 8 characters
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Greek_god_su...
Famous Hero
Bringer Of Light
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posted March 06, 2004 07:52 PM |
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a bit unbalancing, but thatīs okay, cause I seldom use them at all. as I said before, they have good specialties, but stats are too high, esp. damage and hp. In the other words, they are almost impossible to kill in late game.
I think itīs more important to have new low-level creatures with cool special abilities, than those lvl8 killing machines.
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KittenAngel
Supreme Hero
Lee's wifey
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posted March 07, 2004 08:39 AM |
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There will be more a balanced wog my friends never fear
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BURCUSH
Known Hero
Blood Captain of the Vampires
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posted March 08, 2004 09:39 AM |
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It's interesting to see how these LVL 8 characters act in battles if you wogify Fire and Ice scenario
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