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SapphireRavyn
Promising
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Bird of Extreme Patience
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posted February 04, 2004 04:25 PM |
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Ok, first of all if you don't have the balls to come out and admit who you are, then I don't have a lot of time for you. I will also say that you must not have been TOOO behind the scenes because if you were you would know me better. I don't have any enemies, I don't hold grudges and I stay angry about oh 10 seconds. What you Mr. "unknown user" have said is chicken squat compared to Kitten openly calling me a ***** in the zone. But I didn't stay mad at her, I forgave her and moved on and we learned to get along better then ever afterwards, gee I'm really a grudge holder, eh? Everyone, even gutless people, have a right to their opinions and I am the first one to admit that. I always have.
In regards to your comments, the only thing I was ever "gone from" for weeks at a time was from MSN. I am VERY guilty of not turning it on and not communicating with Kitten or anyone else via MSN or the boards for weeks at a time. Just about a year ago I think I went a whole month without ever turning on MSN, visiting the boards, or coming to the zone, but you know what? My updates were always done during that time and I did my Admin work daily, as I still do. I can only think of two times where I was gone for a week, where I was truly gone, both times because I didn't have internet connection, not because I was lazy and didn't feel like doing stuff. During both those times I was gone gone, not posting in forums and responding to emails and just not doing anything. The only other times I have been gone have been for weekends etc. when I had trips to make out of town. Most of those times were announced, unless I didn't have any tournament work to do (other then warlords) over those weekends. When all I was running was MapMasters and Warlords then yes there were times where I was gone for a whole weekend at a time and didn't tell anyone, opps. I have a life sorry, but my pages were updated on deadlines.
Now, as for there being 4 admins instead of 2, that was NEVER supposed to have been the case. It's bad enough having two, there were never supposed to be four. Gan was brought in by Kitten to do the admin work for her because she didn't like it. He never had any other kind of say in anything, except maybe to her. He never emailed back and forth or communicated with me or participated in any of the decision making. Chubby either. Chubby was brought in by Kitten so that she would have a fourth person to balance out me having Motorschaaf. Motor and Kitten butted heads from the beginning and when she didn't like that, she brought in Chubby to help her because she couldn't control Motor. MOtor knows this to be true. She didn't like the way he changed Nations so she brought in Chubby to do the Might and Magic tourney, even though Motor had already started working on it. It was a big source of controversy and animosity and well gee the tournament never got finished. If Motor had been left in charge of it, it would have. As for Chubby being Admin, again that's because Kitten gave him the access and to be honest I have no idea why. I was never consulted about the idea of him having admin access she just gave it and I still can't see where he did anything with it. Oddly enough I was forbidden by Kitten from giving either Motor or Andi Admin access the entire time they worked for the tournament. Now don't get me wrong, I like Chubby, I really do. I'm only posting this bit because I am somewhat sure that he is "Mr. Unknown User". But because of his constant connection problems he has been rather unreliable. Take Random Challenge for example. He was set up as the updater, disappeared and I had no access to the reports, only Kitten and him had access but it took me complaining constantly about the situation to get the reports forwarded to me so there was an update for the first time in well over a month. And then the decision was made to just quick end the tournament only it was done with out all the reports being registered, another big fiasco.
As for me staying out of the spotlight and "behind the scenes" that is solely because I don't feel a need for glory. Not because I am a coward or afraid of criticism or something STUPID like that. I don't need people patting me on the back and telling me I'm doing a great job so I just do my work in relative silence and life goes on. I don't need to come into the zone and say "see what great thing I've done now". Now my staying behind the scenes has meant that I have taken a lot less heat. But I have also taken a lot less because I have always (until recently) kept my end of the work up to date. And my tournaments were always organized and when updates were done, the amounts were correct. But this has also meant that I have taken much less of the credit. There are a lot of people that think Kitten has done it all on her own and that is because I don't draw attention to what I do so people assume I do nothing, but then again, you know what assuming does, don't you?
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Sir_Stiven
Honorable
Legendary Hero
banned
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posted February 04, 2004 05:30 PM |
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good post ravyn.
Although i knew most of this somethings were even unknown to me. Though it doesnt change the stance ive taken so far.
People might find me harsh against kitten... well IMO she is the #1 reason for the TOH/MAH downfall. Now that the hard truth is out i can also tell that i know very much about some peoples workproblems with kitten. Basically because she always wants to be in control even if she doesnt have the knowledge to be. And then when things go bad because of her taking things into her own hands she always finds a scapegoat so she can save her own skin. If other people gets stuck in between doesnt matter to her, kinda opposite to this "sweet" and "caring" stuff some claim huh?
i agree that kitten many times wants the best for the players, but that doesnt give her the right to lay the blame on them when things go wrong.
And things will go wrong when you cant co operate behind the scenes. And what upsets me most in this, is that kitten as usual with her persuation skills have gotten aculias&unnamned051 to turn against ravyn. Now how good is that if you sacrifise the person you are supposed to work with for some peoples opinions??
Frankly i dont care if aculias tries and save his sweet love again, or if kitten makes another pathetic attempt to lay the blame on someone else.. or if anonymous051 tries to make another "inside" post. Its all BS to me.
Im just happy that ves is back in charge now and that might possibly get me back into playing again.
Now having that said.. i wouldnt mind ravyn to still have a major part in heroes3 TOH... i believe she has what it takes to be a big contribution.
Credit goes where credit is due.
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tewilligar
Famous Hero
Just another willigar
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posted February 05, 2004 02:40 AM |
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i was going to post on this,i already had half a page and erased it. i guess its all water under the bridge for me.
ravyn,you did well for what you had to work with. dont hang your head in shame.
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Unknownuser
Tavern Dweller
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posted February 05, 2004 09:25 AM |
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HMMMMMMM
Dates Raven was gone:
Raven will be gone [08Oct03]
Raven is having server problems: [01/05]
Raven will be Away: [27Aug03]
Raven will be gone ....again [12/18]
Dates Kitten was gone:
Family Emergency: [19Sept03]
UHOH [26Mar03] :
Kitten Will be gone: [12/27]
Just to prove a point I had to post this.
Raven, I never posted anything to offend you at all. I just wanted to prove the point that Kitten can not be the blame of a 6 year old game dying. You as well as everyone else (even though they will not admit it) know that ToH is dying off slowly because people are moving on to new games, like Civ3  and Aow. They are not leaving because of Kitten and Kitten alone, I do not belive that line of BS for one minute. As far as who I am, it really doesn't matter, guess everyone is just pissed cause I am speaking the truth
Toss away baby.
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rychenroller
Promising
Supreme Hero
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posted February 05, 2004 10:19 AM |
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Civ3 aint new
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Aculias
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Pretty Boy Angel Sacraficer
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posted February 05, 2004 11:17 AM |
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No I dont turn on Ravyn,We had alot of diferences for yrs.
Personally i find it funny that She seems even put the blame on her partner & SHe is 100% innocent.
DOnt get me wrong Stiven I know Mandi was at fault in the tournament but not all of it I believe.
I know all about the situations behind the scenes but i never really had the balls to say it in here to say the wrong thangs.
I never put all the blame on one person tho.
Mostly Stiven my reply had nothing to do with this tournament but certain people not you that were great friends with her then totally backstabs her over one tournament.
I dont believe one tournament or one game should break a friendship but some of the words that were said was not cool at all.
The change is soon & almost now.
We should put MAH in the past & welcome the old & hopefully improved TOH.
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SapphireRavyn
Promising
Famous Hero
Bird of Extreme Patience
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posted February 05, 2004 03:44 PM |
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Dates Raven was gone:
Raven will be gone [08Oct03] ~ Went to see my husband in Missouri after not seeing him for over a month. Everyone knew two weeks before hand that I was going to be gone, and it was for a weekend only.
Raven is having server problems: [01/05] ~ One of the two times my internet connection was messed up.
Raven will be Away: [27Aug03] ~ The weekend before my husband left, I knew in advance I would of course be spending the weekend with him, but I let everyone know.
Raven will be gone ....again [12/18] ~ The weekend I went to my inlaws for Christmas. It says again because I had been gone two weekends before that for training for the Jaycees but again, everyone knew in advance I would be gone, and it was only for the weekend.
Dates Kitten was gone:
Family Emergency: [19Sept03]
UHOH [26Mar03] :
Kitten Will be gone: [12/27]
Just to prove a point I had to post this.
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Raven, I never posted anything to offend you at all. I just wanted to prove the point that Kitten can not be the blame of a 6 year old game dying. You as well as everyone else (even though they will not admit it) know that ToH is dying off slowly because people are moving on to new games, like Civ3 and Aow. They are not leaving because of Kitten and Kitten alone, I do not belive that line of BS for one minute. As far as who I am, it really doesn't matter, guess everyone is just pissed cause I am speaking the truth
Toss away baby.
I openly admit that a good portion of the reason players are moving on is because Homm3 is getting long in the tooth. Actually if you go back and look at posts you will see that I am not the blame layer. I kept my mouth shut for MONTHS about stuff and have never laid the blame at Kitten's feet solely. Largely because I know what she has been through in the past two years. Most of you think she is just a whiny cry baby but she has been through a LOT of crap. Her life makes my life look like a bowl of cherries. Of course it helps that I have a rock solid marriage which means I have love and support in any venture I take on. And as we all know Kitten has had numerous problems. When your personal life is falling apart it is hard to dedicate meaningful time to just about anything else. I may not have agreed with the way things were done, but I have always felt a LOT of compassion for what she has gone through and have tried to be a good friend to her. Back to my point, it has been others that have blamed her, I have kept quiet, until certain others tried shifting the blame to me. I will not take the hit for something I did not do and did not have the power to change. Does it make me a bad person because I'm letting some of the truth out, maybe, but if you didn't want the truth to come out then you shouldn't have tried laying the blame at my feet because when I'm backed into a corner, I come out with the truth.
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tewilligar
Famous Hero
Just another willigar
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posted February 05, 2004 05:41 PM |
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i guess no one in the community is satisfied unless they have someone to to torture.
i know the whole story,even those who dont think i know better open thier eyes( thats for you gangrail ya lamer)
but what does it matter? cant we just all drop it and move on? i guess not. we arent happy unless someone is nailed to the cross. sad.
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KittenAngel
Supreme Hero
Lee's wifey
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posted February 05, 2004 06:23 PM |
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no chit tew getting tired of hanging on this cross
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Never wear anything that panics
the cat.
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Sir_Stiven
Honorable
Legendary Hero
banned
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posted February 05, 2004 06:38 PM |
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really? and yet you spent your last two years making it?
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tewilligar
Famous Hero
Just another willigar
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posted February 05, 2004 07:02 PM |
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is that what its all about kitten? me...me.....me...me....me.... jeez
i wasnt talking about just you. but i guess thats the way you take it lol
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Tef
Tavern Dweller
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posted February 05, 2004 07:30 PM |
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Aculias
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Pretty Boy Angel Sacraficer
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posted February 05, 2004 10:26 PM |
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Ravyn everytime you got mad posting a long reply on here you put some kind of the same blame on Mandi & you were perfect even reply before your last one.
Dont get me wrong I dont blame all 100% but it would be great if some can admit they were wrong without placing blame to others.
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Angelspit
Famous Hero
Warrior of the Heavens
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posted February 05, 2004 10:54 PM |
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This could go on forever. Get over it, it's just a game.
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Aculias
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Pretty Boy Angel Sacraficer
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posted February 05, 2004 11:03 PM |
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Oh ok Angelspit who goes in his own HC typing one person info on slamming one mod & praising the other.
Whatever Angelspit, dont give me that forever stuff when you also were part of it lol.
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bpanik2
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posted February 06, 2004 01:24 AM |
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Well you see what ole mr aint even or gonna start playing h3 motormouth has done lol, 1st thing half the people on here dont even play the friggen game,if your gonna snow at least be a player,HC you think its all fun and games hunh give it a shot bye all means,quit whining get a job do something.bp
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Dingo
Responsible
Legendary Hero
God of Dark SPAM
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posted February 06, 2004 01:37 AM |
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pandora
Honorable
Legendary Hero
The Chosen One
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posted February 06, 2004 05:01 AM |
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You know, the more I read this thread - the more I believe that it wasn't Kitten, Ravyn, Motor, Tew, Chubby, Gangrail or Acu (well mayhaps 'twas a little bit Acu ) But nope, the more I read this the more I am certain - It wasn't any of them at all! I believe it was aliens that wrecked Heroes3. And late at night, when everyone is asleep and the night is silent, i believe I can hear them laughing....
Stupid, rotten aliens....
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vesuvius
Hero of Order
Honor Above all Else
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posted February 06, 2004 06:25 AM |
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reminder
It seems that in the past 2 years I've been making a lot of reminders on the exact same thing: Again I say that the biggest cause of the online heroes communities' weakening is due to homm3 being an old game, and getting older, as well as homm4 not being what it was expected to be.
I still remember back in august of 2001 (I think?) when we saw the hints of homm4 being released in sept/oct. I was so excited about it, predicting that it would have 4x the activity of homm3 .... so had the automation done. What a dissapointment, when it delayed, and delayed... and then when it came out without multiplayer!!! That was a major slap in the face. My face especially.
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Gangrail
Promising
Famous Hero
Dead Man
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posted February 06, 2004 07:09 AM |
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you are 1 of 2 people(thats was easy  but we'll let others figure it out.
I hope you aren't trying to say it was me since I ONLY post in 1 name. And almost NEVER post here unless I am told someone mentions my name here. I have defended Kitten here more than once in my name and need NOT post in another. I am not defending kitten here because it is not woth my time anymore. My main reason for posting in here today is Ravens remark. So you can narrow your person down to 1 and maybe 2 as you put it but eliminate me as a suspect.
So to Ravyn. You were never asked to make me an Admin and Kitten brought me in. Get the story straight. It was NEVER your decison to start with since I was always an Admin and I brought you in over at Strategyplanet and then we came here. I just stayed out of the front and let you and Kitten run the show. I only stepped in when 1 of you asked me too. I had other stuff to do that took my time and stayed out of your alls way.
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