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this_other_guy
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posted March 24, 2004 09:39 AM |
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I heard that China recently incresed their annual defence budget significantly (18%!). Its said thatthe increase is aimed at improving the defensive combat readiness of their armed forces under hi-tech conditions and raising salaries of army personnel and pensions for ex-servicemen. Some believe that the emphasis on hi-tech weaponry is a reference to US plans to build missile defence systems to protect Taiwan, which China regards as a rebellious province. Washington also wants to sell high-tech weapons to Taiwan.
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posted March 24, 2004 02:16 PM |
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I dont like either North Korea or North Korean.
Why? Are you South Korean?
That's my secret..
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Lord_Woock
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posted March 24, 2004 06:03 PM |
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from east asia? Aaaah! A Taliban!!! Quick! Get the US Army over here to track down and kill him!!!
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drakemaster2
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posted March 25, 2004 10:53 AM |
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No, I am American and I am studying korean in Korea for some reason
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yubq
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posted August 06, 2006 06:54 AM |
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Edited by yubq at 09:01, 06 Aug 2006.
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I dont like either North Korea or North Korean.
Why? Are you South Korean?
That's my secret..
I think S. Koreans do not hate or dislike the Northers. after all,they are both Koreans,and many Southers have relatives and lost family members in North,and the Northers,the same.
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I heard that China recently incresed their annual defence budget significantly (18%!). Its said thatthe increase is aimed at improving the defensive combat readiness of their armed forces under hi-tech conditions and raising salaries of army personnel and pensions for ex-servicemen. Some believe that the emphasis on hi-tech weaponry is a reference to US plans to build missile defence systems to protect Taiwan, which China regards as a rebellious province. Washington also wants to sell high-tech weapons to Taiwan.
US is the largest military expenditure country on the earth,while only has a population of 200 million.comparing with U.S.,China's defence budgut number is too small.
those who don not know the truth should come to China to see around.you can never find real fact by just staying home not seeing personally what happens to China and its people all this 60 years.
US's nuclear weapen is the most in the world.US army is the most offensive.US government receives the most criticism and denouncement from the globlal countries.People is getting more and more hate this World Police.
China's development will not be threat to any country and will never be.In history China was always be invaded.Chinese will never like war.
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yubq
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posted August 06, 2006 07:37 AM |
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Economists predict that China's economy will rapidly grow in the future. America's economy will be the second. Germanys the third. BUT IS IT REAL. A possible chance for China's rapid economy growth. What da ya think guys?
China can not catch uo with U.S.at least in half one century it is impossible.most regions and provinces are poor, and only some large cities like Shanghai develops faster.but even cities like Shanghai have many undeveloped areas.much more fact you will not know from paper.
generally,China is a developing country,far from developed.
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In late 1978 the Chinese leadership began moving the economy from a sluggish, Soviet-style centrally planned economy to a more market-oriented system. Whereas the system operates within a political framework of strict Communist control, the economic influence of non-state organizations and individual citizens has been steadily increasing. The authorities switched to a system of household and village responsibility in agriculture in place of the old collectivization, increased the authority of local officials and plant managers in industry, permitted a wide variety of small-scale enterprises in services and light manufacturing, and opened the economy to increased foreign trade and investment. The result has been a quadrupling of GDP since 1978. In 2003, with its 1.3 billion people but a GDP of just $5,000 per capita, China stood as the second-largest economy in the world after the US (measured on a purchasing power parity basis).{copied from website}
Ok there are some things to think about here:
1. China has a third of the entire world's population.
2. With a third of the world's population it has recently quadrupled its GDP.
3. China has no states, no religion, and one law. Communism.
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there are some errors in translationand, statistics , and world rank.
by saying the above,u can be seen as an extremist,if you have basic knowledge of China.anyone who has it can answer you easily
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Consis
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posted August 06, 2006 02:57 PM |
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Thankyou
I know nothing about China . . . it's helpful when people like you take the time to correct me. I appreciate it and I would enjoy hearing more on the subject.
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yubq
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posted August 12, 2006 04:51 AM |
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to be honest,I was angry with your words.
Taiwan belongs to China ever since history was made, which differs from Alaska, Hawaii and New Mexico¡¯s relation to US. Bushs administration is as good as, with their misguidance on this issue, telling people they want New Mexico and Alaska to be independent from US, Quebec from Canada-though all Taiwan resident is Chinese speaking Chinese not similar to Quebec at all. most Taiwan people want to go back motherland. The new generation is seeking personal career chance in mainland.
Democratic activists like Weijingsheng are rumor inventor and spreader. Every state in the world itself has a few overseas wanted criminals or suspects. Those of China are negligible comparing with China¡¯s population of over 1.2 billion more than 99% of which is supporting Communism and the Government.
Many books on China can be seen in America, written or told by Americans who have lived or taught or worked in China. most are relatively reliable giving a description of China close to truth. They lived daily together with Chinese, worked and traded with Chinese. But Some press friends are disappointing. They did not do so. They only contacted with other international profession brothers in China. An American journalist covered about China¡¯s border city of Dandong saying that North Koreans shopped with use US dollar very generously and the market was very thriving. In fact, North Koreans¡¯ there were poor and at the time he wrote the report few buyers or sellers there. His story was fudged. Some narrate China¡¯s flood with antique photos. Some pictures are man-made.
An economic growth of 8% or 9% does not mean China will be s superpower . China has many problems. Her economy gain is not interlocally balanced nor structure poised. Increasing employment problem to be settled. Per capita resources are scarce.
Politicians and some people see China with colored-glasses just because she is socialism. Their thoughts still linger in cold war times. In fact, you can not judge a regime good or bad only from the regime system itself. You must first know if the government under it lies to its voters, levying war based on fake intelligence against the whole world opposition, for oil but saying in the name of DEMOCRATIC, trying to suppress media when scandals happen, whether political or military. How can people trust in a leader with a bad oral expression skill, more than once forget the name world summit and that of his neighbor¡¯s, and treat woman leader and Queen brutally?
China will not do that any way. Press is free. The government cares more about domestic economy and people life, always trying to resolve problems not to create new ones, committing to global development of multipolar not unipolar.
That shall be grateful if someone could talk with me more about my English rather than above. Simply want you know the truth. I dislike ¡°very good¡±. I want someone can criticize my English. Actually it is not good, saying nothing of practiced, not nearly skilled. And I want to be skilled, but it is not easy by a fraction for me. I have no taste for H4 or H5, nor H3 after I met WOG, a bug-filled game, though. I like BBS or forum where we can talk about music & movie, life & style, celebrity & entertainment, computer and network, military and economic affairs. Just as the other side of Monitor. But I don not know the websites.
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Consis
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posted August 12, 2006 06:27 AM |
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Thankyou Yubq
Thankyou for sharing. You can talk here anytime you wish. I will listen and be interested about all the things you mentioned. I will not post anymore about my faulty thoughts on China. I will help you with English at any time.
It is good to hear from you.
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ByteBandit
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posted August 12, 2006 06:31 AM |
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I am an American, but I pay attention to Economic growth. I figure that in about 20 years, China will dictate world economic policy, therefore, they will of taken over the world in that manner. To me, there's nothing wrong with that, since every other country has had their chance to do so including the U.S.
Instead of going out and persuading other countries to practice "Democracy", we, the U.S. should be doing business with them instead. China has grabbed up "Hostile to the U.S." countries that produce oil. I say China has seized an opportunity. They are not disaligning themselves from the U.S. They just want oil! Yet our government tells us otherwise. We who follow economical growth know better.
I see China as the next country to dictate to the World how things will be. I'm not fearful or worried. I just wonder how they'll apply it to the world stage.
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Binabik
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posted August 12, 2006 10:52 AM |
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Yubq, if you want help with English, stop by the Advanced English Lessons thread in the Other Side.
I've read (in an international engineering journal) that the number of high level officials with technical backgrounds in the Chinese goverment has increased dramatically. So they've put themselves in a position to plan for a technology based future by having a lot of people in government who actually understand the technolgy.
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hobowu
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posted August 12, 2006 12:47 PM |
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to be honest,I was angry with your words.
Taiwan belongs to China ever since history was made, which differs from Alaska, Hawaii and New Mexico¡¯s relation to US. Bushs administration is as good as, with their misguidance on this issue, telling people they want New Mexico and Alaska to be independent from US, Quebec from Canada-though all Taiwan resident is Chinese speaking Chinese not similar to Quebec at all. most Taiwan people want to go back motherland. The new generation is seeking personal career chance in mainland.
Democratic activists like Weijingsheng are rumor inventor and spreader. Every state in the world itself has a few overseas wanted criminals or suspects. Those of China are negligible comparing with China¡¯s population of over 1.2 billion more than 99% of which is supporting Communism and the Government.
Many books on China can be seen in America, written or told by Americans who have lived or taught or worked in China. most are relatively reliable giving a description of China close to truth. They lived daily together with Chinese, worked and traded with Chinese. But Some press friends are disappointing. They did not do so. They only contacted with other international profession brothers in China. An American journalist covered about China¡¯s border city of Dandong saying that North Koreans shopped with use US dollar very generously and the market was very thriving. In fact, North Koreans¡¯ there were poor and at the time he wrote the report few buyers or sellers there. His story was fudged. Some narrate China¡¯s flood with antique photos. Some pictures are man-made.
An economic growth of 8% or 9% does not mean China will be s superpower . China has many problems. Her economy gain is not interlocally balanced nor structure poised. Increasing employment problem to be settled. Per capita resources are scarce.
Politicians and some people see China with colored-glasses just because she is socialism. Their thoughts still linger in cold war times. In fact, you can not judge a regime good or bad only from the regime system itself. You must first know if the government under it lies to its voters, levying war based on fake intelligence against the whole world opposition, for oil but saying in the name of DEMOCRATIC, trying to suppress media when scandals happen, whether political or military. How can people trust in a leader with a bad oral expression skill, more than once forget the name world summit and that of his neighbor¡¯s, and treat woman leader and Queen brutally?
China will not do that any way. Press is free. The government cares more about domestic economy and people life, always trying to resolve problems not to create new ones, committing to global development of multipolar not unipolar.
That shall be grateful if someone could talk with me more about my English rather than above. Simply want you know the truth. I dislike ¡°very good¡±. I want someone can criticize my English. Actually it is not good, saying nothing of practiced, not nearly skilled. And I want to be skilled, but it is not easy by a fraction for me. I have no taste for H4 or H5, nor H3 after I met WOG, a bug-filled game, though. I like BBS or forum where we can talk about music & movie, life & style, celebrity & entertainment, computer and network, military and economic affairs. Just as the other side of Monitor. But I don not know the websites.
actually, technically taiwan belongs to japan... after china signed a treaty to give taiwan to japan as a sovereign state. The UN forced Japan to move out of taiwan for reasons of "self ruling and freedom", and japan never specified who to return taiwan to... so taiwan is currently left in a limbo state between japan, china, and itself...
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Consis
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posted August 12, 2006 07:46 PM |
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Well . . .
To my limited knowledge there has never been such a thing as a Chinese empire in history. If CHina rules the world then it will be the first time in history. Historically speaking, China prefers to rule its own peoples and provinces and ignore the rest of the world. That is one of the lessons from Genghis Khan: China was forced by his rule to trade with foreigners for the first time. It is my understanding that the word "Dynasty" does not mean "Empire".
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Binabik
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posted August 12, 2006 10:29 PM |
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I always thought the Taiwanese were Chinese. I'm not aware of a treaty giving control of Taiwan to Japan. But a treaty doesn't make them not Chinese. Also, am I remembering right that Taiwan is where large numbers of mainland Chinese fled during the communist takeover? (under General Tso????) If I got that right, it means there would still be quite a few people in Taiwan who were born on the mainland.
I work as a consultant in the engineering world, so I've been in and out of a lot of US companies. That's only a tiny percentage of all engineering companies. But it seems to me a lot of US companies either own manufacturing plants in China, or send products there to be made. This is just my impression, but if you compare to the large Japanese conglomerates which outright own a lot of companies, many of the Chinese companies build products for a number of companies, but they don't own those companies. I might not be correct in this, but an example is the company that builds VTech phones. They own VTech, but also do huge amounts of contract manufacturing.
The trend has been to not only do manufacturing, but to do the design as well. An example is that the Chinese are pushing hard for their own standards to become international standards. Compare to the standard for CDs which was developed jointly by Sony and Phillips (I think Sony was the major partner). Once they successfully made that an international standard, the rest of the world had to meet that standard. Other companies and nations who were developing their own CD type technology probably put huge amounts of money into their own R&D, but wasted that money when the Sony standard was accepted as THE standard. In this case, Sony also owned the patent for CD technology. Which means everyone else has to pay them royalties.
You can see how important is to have your own standards accepted. The Chinese are pushing hard. If they can do it successfully, they can have a major world standard which they essentially control. And if they also own the patents, it's even better for them.
Of course China is not alone in this. India, Korea, Malaysia and several other countries are also on the rise. When a company or nation is growing rapidly, the growth can be very hard to control, and it's very risky. There are too many factors not under their control. No one can predict the compitition or the future world economy. And no one can predict which products will be successful with consumers.
Another problem with fast growth is over-confidence. When something is successful, it's too easy to think it will continue to be successful. Look at the rapid growth, and then recession in the Japanese economy. Look at what happened in the US. It's easy to blame 911 for many of the economic problems in the US. But all 911 did was push an existing problem over the edge....and I'm not even sure how much 911 really mattered. The rapid technology growth during the 80s and especially the 90s was the underlying problem. Actually the real problem was that they expected the growth to continue, especially in the computer and telecomm sectors. The computer market became saturated, and the telecom market didn't gain acceptance by the public as fast as they thought. Basically they were overconfident.
The thing about nations who have been the leaders in the tech growth, is that they were the first, so they had to find their own way. A country like China can sit back and watch. And if they are smart, they can learn by the mistakes made by the pioneers.
It takes time. Everyone is watching China, but China isn't there yet. Something that's extremely important is to have influence. You can't have influence unless you prove yourself first. Consider the companies Sony, Phillips and Intel. Which one has the most influence? I would guess Sony, then Phillips and Intel is far behind. Intel is very influential, but only in one thing. But if Phillips says something about almost any technical product, the whole world listens. They have huge influence and the money to back it up. If China wants to succeed in the technology world, they need to gain influence with individual companies, or as a nation (or both). They already have a reputation in the manufacturing sector. But reputation isn't the same thing as influence. If they really want to grow they need the influence in design and innovation. And that takes time.
Question: Does anyone know if the US ever granted China favored nation status?
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yubq
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posted August 13, 2006 08:36 AM |
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Thank you too. I'll try to make time on this Heroes' Bar. I also like china related topics. I am untitled to do the opposite. we don not think nake-sourced or contorted information could be welcome, anywhere.
ByteBandit, yes. I'd like to talk about economic issues, as Economy is my major. It can make me not forget courses too fast. Your Deception Pass is in recommended maps list here, gorgeous, if some ERM errors settled. Economic phenomena and data like 9% are merely superficial argument ground. China has problems of deepness. college education is behindhand, short of eligible human resource. other troubles can be written in many pages. America's superpower position in the world depends on the U.S. dollar's super status in international economy and trade. from WW1 to WW2 Bretton Woods Conference, to IMF and World Bank, USD plays a critical role, till present. if USD matters little, the U.S. can not speak to the world with a strong hand. Chinese currency RMB can't reach this situation. As yet it is not one of seven int'l transaction currencies. maybe more Greenspans or better ones are needed. ¡®World place¡¯ in 20 years is a dream, but it is impossible. too much home difficulties that you can not see. even if it is realized, China will do as she does now, promoting the peace and development of a multipolar world. nothing special will happen.
the Technicals rising, maybe it seems true. but I don not know for sure. http://english.gov.cn/. Perhaps you may find something here.
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actually, technically taiwan belongs to japan... after china signed a treaty to give taiwan to japan as a sovereign state. The UN forced Japan to move out of taiwan for reasons of "self ruling and freedom", and japan never specified who to return taiwan to... so taiwan is currently left in a limbo state between japan, china, and itself
I'm not able to find out the resolution or convention to check the specific sentence.. but i know
Chiang Kaishek, Roosevelt and Churchill signed Cairo Declaration saying ¡° ¡and that all the territories Japan has stolen from the Chinese, such as Manchuria, Formosa, and the Pescadores, shall be restored to the Republic of China ¡°( government of China at that time ), it was reiterated in Potsdam Proclamation. Both Roosevelt and Truman stated clearly Japan must return Taiwan to China. Japan officially surrendered to China in Aug. 1945 when UN did not exist officially. The following is from the UN websites. ¡®The United Nations officially came into existence on 24 October 1945, when the Charter had been ratified by China, France, the Soviet Union, the United Kingdom, the United States and a majority of other signatories¡¯. What is the meaning of the word SURRENDER? If Japan¡¯s surrendering does not mean restoring of Taiwan, then what did it mean when Britain troops surrendered to America-France alliance? Then whose Yorktown it is? NY And other cities?
The U.S. Senate passed the proposal granting China PNTR in 2000, with overwhelming YES votes. Professors and research institutes have been considering developing independent techs and industrial copyrights for many years. Main holdback is lacking of money to put on R&D. also short of special personnel. It can not be solved in a long period.
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posted August 13, 2006 08:56 AM |
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Professors and research institutes have been considering developing independent techs and industrial copyrights for many years. Main holdback is lacking of money to put on R&D. also short of special personnel.
Do you think the increase in the manufacturing sector will help fund R&D?
In the US, a lot of good technology comes from military R&D. Then it finds applications in private industry. Does China have a program to transfer military technology to the private sector?
I've worked with Chinese engineers who used to work for the Chinese military. Some of the technology they were using was VERY advanced. It was not being used for the military here. It just was good technology in the area of telecommunications.
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yubq
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posted August 13, 2006 10:05 AM |
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I guess not.probably much more fileds are needy of fund.I have no idea of military technology used in private production.
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posted August 13, 2006 08:14 PM |
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This is too funny, Chinese authorities have banned western cartoons.
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"[Chinese] Film studios have been pushed to merge in order to create big, well-financed competitors. Officials have set up 15 animation centers to nurture the industry, invoking communist guerrilla vocabulary by dubbing them "production bases.""
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yubq
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I see the coverage on foxnews webpage today.not completely bans,but in prime time.maybe "prohibite".mainly aimed at japanese cartoons.seldom are western animations aired on tv. i even don not know what is the simpson's or others.i think 80% foreign cartoons shown on tv are japanese. i guess it is the result of increasing civilian hate towards japan to force the governmant to do so.I cannot understand other report in the same article on fox.japan invaded China during ww2.more than 300 thousand Chinese were killed bloodily or raped cruelly in Nanjing Massacre. much more people were kill in the war.but janan denies the history and change the history textbook,japanese pm pay respect vist to war shrine once and again.it enrages all its neighbours,China, south and north korea.
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Ecoris
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posted August 19, 2006 11:17 AM |
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Press is free.
You seem to use the word "free" in a relative way. The ban of foreign cartoons during prime time is just another example of how the government censors the media. Google is another.
But I'm not scared by the fact that China's power will increase, after all they're very pragmatic people (unlike the muslims) and people from eastern Asia are more intelligent than all other people around the world (I've seen this with my own eyes).
As time goes and China's power increases they'll of course use this power to achieve their political goals, domestic as well as foreign. They will not just ignore the rest of the world.
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