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mskomu
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posted April 16, 2004 12:47 PM |
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equal fighting skills
in HoMM 1-3 all units were equally strong (almost). In HoMM 4 there were some differences, like black dragon were much stronger than thunderbird, but one could 'purchase' 3 tb/week and 1 bd/week. I think this was a great idea and it could be the same in low level creatures too. In my opinion it's pretty stupid that 2 knights can beat a dragon.
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doomnezeu
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posted April 16, 2004 12:53 PM |
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In my opinion it's pretty stupid that 2 knights can beat a dragon.
Why in god's name is that stupid?
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mskomu
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posted April 16, 2004 05:10 PM |
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Edited By: mskomu on 16 Apr 2004
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Well, races like dragons, titans, behemoths... are much more powerful than humans. Knight is no much to a creature that is atleast 10 times bigger, covered with scales, able to fly, able to breath fire/acid/...
I know it's would be stupid in a game if a dragon could beat dozens of knights (or some other units of lower race), but it could be that it takes 4-5 knights to kill a dragon. And of course dragons would be at least 5 times more expensive and slower to 'breed'.
And same thing in titans, behemoths, devils...
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Shirastro
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posted April 16, 2004 07:39 PM |
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Well if we had to folow that logic than Titans would be invincible. They are tall as empire state building....and that alone would be enough to destroy entier city.
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gerdash
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posted April 16, 2004 10:52 PM |
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how tall and how big are the titans and dragons in reality? i think they might as well be about 3..4 meters tall (considering that 2 meters is the height of a normal tall human).
that opinion is not based on mythology, though. this is good because things were often exagerated in mythology, and this is bad because.. well.. if we want to base something on mythology then we should perhaps include the exagerations.
krishna was the size of a normal human, wasn't he?
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Shirastro
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posted April 17, 2004 12:01 AM |
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Well if you watch RoE introdution movie you will see that one naga is big as titans foot.....do your own math
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bjorn190
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posted April 17, 2004 01:09 AM |
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how tall and how big are the titans and dragons in reality? i think they might as well be about 3..4 meters tall (considering that 2 meters is the height of a normal tall human).
that opinion is not based on mythology, though. this is good because things were often exagerated in mythology, and this is bad because.. well.. if we want to base something on mythology then we should perhaps include the exagerations.
krishna was the size of a normal human, wasn't he?
Actually, its all made up. None of it is real. Dragon size wasnt exaggerated by mythology.. they never existed, as far as we know.
Dragons dont exist in reality. You must know this?
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Vadskye91
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posted April 17, 2004 01:11 AM |
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Unless you count Barney... 
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gerdash
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posted April 17, 2004 01:21 AM |
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Dragons dont exist in reality. You must know this?
oh, didn't they? but what about titans then?
if dragon didn't exist in reality, how could dragon kill even one knight?
well, i guess it's not difficult to kill 1/2 knight. i guess 1/2 knight will die on it's own. but can we say that a non-existent dragon killed 1/2 knight? so 2 dragons should be able to kill one knight?
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B0rsuk
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posted April 17, 2004 12:54 PM |
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Edited By: B0rsuk on 17 Apr 2004
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in HoMM 1-3 all units were equally strong (almost). In HoMM 4 there were some differences, like black dragon were much stronger than thunderbird, but one could 'purchase' 3 tb/week and 1 bd/week. I think this was a great idea and it could be the same in low level creatures too. In my opinion it's pretty stupid that 2 knights can beat a dragon.
Nonsense. Let's compare Peasants to Goblins.
Paladins to Dragons (65 hp and 4 per week versus ?300 hp and 2 per week).
wyverns/unicorns and black knights.
I actually like the differences in Heroes4.
Titans are huge, by far the largest of them all. In H3 intro you can see one of them stomping Naga. Also on Heroes4 main menu screen you can see one of them towering above castle walls.
As for greek mythology, titans are god's offspring ! To be specific, they are offspring of _prime_ gods, Uranos and Gaia. They were:
Okeanos, Kojos, Krios, Hyperion, Japet, Teja, Rhea (Rea), Temida (Themis), Mnemosyne, Fojbe, Tetyda (Thetys) i Kronos.
(note that these are polish names, so they may be a little different).
Kronos/Cronos - he was the father of Zeus. Yes, that's right: Titans were older than Olympic gods ! And stong enough to fight olympic gods in battle.
Side note: Cyclops also were children of Uranos and Gaia. So they had no grandparents 
Do you still want to base creature strenght on mythology ? Titans would have to be FAR stronger than dragons.
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doomnezeu
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posted April 17, 2004 01:28 PM |
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Well if we had to folow that logic than Titans would be invincible. They are tall as empire state building....and that alone would be enough to destroy entier city.
How about they are tall as the worl trade center?
They will fall sooner or later, hehe
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Lord_Woock
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posted April 17, 2004 02:07 PM |
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Unless you count Barney...
I thought he was a dinosaur?
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mskomu
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posted April 17, 2004 03:14 PM |
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As I said, it would be impossible to follow this 'code' blindly. For example if creature A (Dragon for example) could beat 10 B creatures (knight for example) it could be in game that creature A could beat 4 B creatures.
This is so hard to explain, but I hope you got my point. Differences to the strenght in high level creatures.
Another suggestion: More abilities bound to aligment or race. For example: Elf could defeat swordman. Swordman can defeat skeleton, but skeleton can defeat elf (arrows are useless against skeletal creatures). I don't mean it should go exactly like that though.
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gerdash
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posted April 17, 2004 11:29 PM |
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look at this:
http://www.uwm.edu/Course/mythology/0900/1528.jpg
atlas was a titan, herakles was a human. they are same height.
well, herakles might have been somewhat stronger than normal humans, so he was probably a little more corpulent, but not as tall as big ben.
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ok, bit more seriously:
the artist thinks that it's ok to depict them same sized.
imho we should think of the gods as symbols rather. there was a lot of symbolism before the modern times.
so, what do you think, how large is letter 'a'?
imho it's as large as you write it.
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Svarog
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posted April 19, 2004 03:48 AM |
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How about they are tall as the worl trade center?
They will fall sooner or later, hehe
No, bad idea. That way, you would have to have a plane driven by mad kamikazee terrorists as top level creature.
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Shirastro
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posted April 19, 2004 04:34 AM |
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As for greek mythology, titans are god's offspring ! To be specific, they are offspring of _prime_ gods, Uranos and Gaia. They were:
Okeanos, Kojos, Krios, Hyperion, Japet, Teja, Rhea (Rea), Temida (Themis), Mnemosyne, Fojbe, Tetyda (Thetys) i Kronos.
(note that these are polish names, so they may be a little different).
Kronos/Cronos - he was the father of Zeus. Yes, that's right: Titans were older than Olympic gods ! And stong enough to fight olympic gods in battle.
Side note: Cyclops also were children of Uranos and Gaia. So they had no grandparents
I dont like being the smarta$$ of the situation but titans are not gods offsprings but its vice-versa.
Titans are the "prime god".
The offsprings of the god are gods them self (or demi-gods like hercules).
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gerdash
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posted April 19, 2004 05:06 AM |
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I dont like being the smarta$$ of the situation but titans are not gods offsprings but its vice-versa.
Titans are the "prime god".
The offsprings of the god are gods them self (or demi-gods like hercules).
as far as i remember, titans were offspring of uranos and gaia who were gods (may lith, descendant of centaurs, correct me if i am wrong).
so titans are god's offsprings and titans are not the absolute "prime gods".
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Shirastro
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posted April 19, 2004 05:11 AM |
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Uranus and gaia were the first two titans/gods and they had many kids, wich where titans too. So they lived happily for some time until Zeus come and made a mess overtrowing the "regime" killing most of titans and becomeing the prime-god. So basicly there is not true diffrence betwin titans and gods, it just that the gods were called....gods, and those who rulled the erath beffore Zeus were called titans.
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Gerdash
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posted April 19, 2004 05:20 AM |
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Uranus and gaia were the first two titans/gods and they had many kids, wich where titans too. So they lived happily for some time until Zeus come and made a mess overtrowing the "regime" killing most of titans and becomeing the prime-god. So basicly there is not true diffrence betwin titans and gods, it just that the gods were called....gods, and those who rulled the erath beffore Zeus were called titans.
hmm.. how could goddess of earth be a titan?
btw i have read somewhere that according to some interpreters of greek myth, the prime god was chaos. so chaos was also a titan?
i don't believe you before i look it up in a trustworthy book. i want to see 'gaia is a titan' there.
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Lith-Maethor
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posted April 19, 2004 05:43 AM |
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this is disturbing...
once again i agree with gerdash...
first there was chaos... somewhere along the way nyx (night) showed up (some say chaos and nyx where the same) ...then ouranos and gaia... from then on it went downhill... all sorts of monsters, hybrids and abominations (including cyclopes and a few dozen other giants) ...last but not least... the titans... the ones who sired the gods... and gods themselves
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