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Shirastro
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posted June 20, 2004 01:22 AM |
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Will we survive?
Ok first of all this topic was not inspired by the "the day after tomorow" movie.
Anyway, with all the s**t that is going around in the world today, do you think that humanity will survive this fase of autodestriction?
Nuclear winter, ecological catastrophy, hunger, solar radiations, overpopulation.....i can go on and on, but the point is; how long do you think we will be around ?
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viking
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posted June 20, 2004 03:06 AM |
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I'd say "no way".
To much damage caused already.
That's why I hate future.
You never know what happens.
And I keep hearing this nonesense about destiny "future is written". I can do anything I want. Its not written anywhere. 
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Orion
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posted June 26, 2004 12:01 PM |
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we are doomed no i am not pessimistic just realistic with the universe it self will come to an end one day through a comsic egg over expansion or simple undeniable entropy the darkness will claim us all eventually the best we can hope to do is delay the inevitable and enjoy what little time we have mortality is fleeting but at least it can be enjoyable just requires a bit of effort, determination, and care for resources
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Though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death,
I will fear no evil, for it bends to my will
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Peacemaker
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Peacemaker = double entendre
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posted June 26, 2004 05:49 PM |
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Whether we survive is up to us. I have great hopes in your generation. But if we all throw up our hands and say it is futile, that is what a friend of mine would call a "self-defeating prophesy."
Doing nothing to change and improve things insures a bad outcome.
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Orion
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posted June 29, 2004 12:15 AM |
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i never said give up i simply said the best we can do is delay the end we can stop it or survive past it becuase one day the universe will end and the universe is to big and the laws of physics are to damn unchangable to stop this
i certainly wants us to try however I mean holding back extinction is a noble cause as for our own sake we should fight against it
but we should still aknowledge and except the final outcome
survival might be hopeless but it is always better to follow a hopless cause then to follow none at all
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Though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death,
I will fear no evil, for it bends to my will
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Aculias
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posted June 29, 2004 12:25 AM |
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The planets not getting any younger & were doing a poor job taking care of it with as little as loitering & poluting to war etc.
Were destroying the Ozone lair & we all know what will happen if we lose that.
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Consis
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posted June 29, 2004 02:01 AM |
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Edited By: Consis on 28 Jun 2004
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Will We Survive?
What does the future hold for our kind? Are we truly as simple as the virus? Are we no more than yet another lifeform expanding and exhausting resources?
It's really no question of surviving to me. To me, it is a question how one chooses to live the circle.
If matter can neither be created nor destroyed then it is logical to assume that resources can be re-used with a certain degree of new procedures or devices that aid us in such causes.
If it is a question as to whether we will destroy ourselves then I believe this too, is an impossibility. Even if every nuclear weapon were released it is a statistical certainty that some humans would survive.
Total extinction of our species is only possible at this point in our existence if the planet in which live becomes the bystander of a Red Giant sun. We are no longer in danger of Asteroids, comets, ufo, etc. hitting our planet and destroying the atmosphere or some such similar catastrophe. We now have the technology to prevent such an occurrence.
Will we survive? I say yes, because although we now possess the technology to wipe out 95% of our species and most others with a touch of a buton, life will go on. That is the beauty of life. Life is life and we are it and it is us.
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bjorn190
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posted June 29, 2004 03:24 AM |
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Ok first of all this topic was not inspired by the "the day after tomorow" movie.
Anyway, with all the s**t that is going around in the world today, do you think that humanity will survive this fase of autodestriction?
Nuclear winter, ecological catastrophy, hunger, solar radiations, overpopulation.....i can go on and on, but the point is; how long do you think we will be around ?
We will all die some day
and Im so grateful that I found love in this life
even for a short time
We may all die
but love will survive
and that is all that matters
love lives forever
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Svarog
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posted June 29, 2004 03:36 AM |
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bjorn, you convinced to the death idealist, i'll feel for you the day when your world crumbles. 
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We are no longer in danger of Asteroids, comets, ufo, etc. hitting our planet and destroying the atmosphere or some such similar catastrophe. We now have the technology to prevent such an occurrence.
HA! The Hollywood at work.
Consis, I ensure you that if an asteroid of a significant size is directly headed to the Earth, there's nothing we can do to prevent it from blasting the Earth and reducing it to subatomic particles. There won't be Bruce Willis around to save us.
And scientists claim that there's a high chance that this will happen sooner or later, since many of the "flying rocks" have missed the earth for just an inch.
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Wolfman
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posted June 29, 2004 04:02 AM |
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One of the rare times I have to agree with Svarog...
Let's try not to make a habit of this. 
I think it would be interesting to have a movie where the Earth is not saved from the asteroid.
Or at least one where it messes everything up on Earth and the world needs to be rebuilt...
Oh, oh! The first movie could be when they are trying to destroy it, then at the end it hits and floods half the world or something. Then, then, the sequal could be the rebuilding!
But I'm rambling...
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Consis
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posted June 29, 2004 06:47 AM |
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Edited By: Consis on 29 Jun 2004
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Where There's A Will
The two of you underestimate our peoples' will to live. During WWII mankind advanced to the atomic age in the smallest amount of time. Not only that but we learned to fly, and constructed the first radars from the earlier world war. War on a scale involving the entire world will undoubtedly press science in a drastic forward direction. Such would be the case if we were to detect a planetoid large enough to destroy the earth heading for us. Our science is moving as slow as the snail crawls because there is no major support for extra-orbital operations. When the people come together and decide that they must progress or die, I think we will see our kind break through with flying colors. This is the human race I know. Tis a pity the two of you think so lowly of your own fellow human beings. One thing is gauranteed, pessimism never broke through any boundaries or overcame any obstacles. I dare say, have faith in all of us, in those you don't see, and in yourselves.
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Svarog
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posted June 30, 2004 03:09 AM |
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One thing: If an asteroid is aprroaching, the fastest we can know is a matter of few months. I dont think you can make "a scientific step forward" for that time, no matter how big of an optmist you are.
And just how do you plan to deal with a rock that is comparable to the size of Earth? Oh, let me guess. Nuke it? lol.
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One thing is gauranteed, pessimism never broke through any boundaries or overcame any obstacles.
I can imagine you sitting on a beach, calmly drinking your lemonade while the asteroid approaches with the speed of light. Everyone's shouting and sreaming and you're like way to cool: "Calm down people. Let's all progress with our will and strenght of determance. Repeat after me: There's no asteroid. There's no asteroid...."
And right then, a huge mountain of molten rock hits you directly between your eyes. 
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The meek shall inherit the earth, but NOT its mineral rights.
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Wiseman
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posted June 30, 2004 12:59 PM |
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There`s a very small chance that the asteroid weould be "comparable" size to Earth.Our planet has 12,760 km in diameter, and it only takes an asterod of 5 km (even less) in diameter to screw us completely.Nonetheless I think
if we managed to forsee the impact like ten years before
it happens we could have a chance of figuring something out.
I also think that saying we won`t survive the next century
is just wishfull thinking of the apocalypse-loving gits.
I don`t plan on dying before I`m 80 and have a few nice grandchildren around.
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Svarog
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posted June 30, 2004 08:19 PM |
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Hey, I'm not calculating with the time Wiseman. I'm saying this only because I saw a documentary thew other day, and the scientists claimed that there are giant asterods constantly running around in the near neighbourhood of the planet Earth, and the chances some of them to drop in are real.
It might take centuries, millenias, even millions of years before that happens, but considering that our time here on Earth has been like a blink of the eye measured in universe terms, then how can we be sure?
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bjorn190
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posted June 30, 2004 09:58 PM |
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then how can we be sure?
As far as Im concerned, we cant even be sure that asteroids exist.. they are a product of our senses combined with our imagination, two things that even by our definitions are human and fallable.
Believing blindly in asteroids is perhaps arrogant, assuming that we are right this time, when history has proven us to always be wrong. The earth was flat, diseases was a punishment from god: influenza.. we've always explained things based on our system of belief, which is now science and reason in the official world, with the occatinal remnance of religion.
Doomsday is now based on asteroids, nuclear war or destruction of the environment. It used to be judgement day, when the end of the world comes through god. Still the same basic concept in a new package; science instead of religion. It's illogical to assume we are more right now than we were in the past, when our methods of explaining a concept using the context of our dominant belief system.
I don't think much about asteroids or the end of the world anymore. It doesn't really frighten me now. Neither earth nor fire nor wind can erase our good deeds, and the men we once were. All we can do is live our lives the way we believe we should. I'm sure it will all turn out ok.
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Asmodean
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posted June 30, 2004 10:07 PM |
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If it's gonna happen it'll happen.
Best thing to do is hope you're asleep when it does.
I don't think Bruce Willis and Ben Affleck are gonna come to our aid next time
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Svarog
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posted June 30, 2004 11:04 PM |
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Still the same basic concept in a new package; science instead of religion. It's illogical to assume we are more right now than we were in the past, when our methods of explaining a concept using the context of our dominant belief system.
Huh, science is not the same as religion! Both in terms of concepts, their purposes, reliance...
Whilst religion was (is) nothing more than a group of stories, unproven assumptions and laws of morality; science, at least in the modern meaning of the word, uses methods that are compatible with logic and hence, the human reason. It provides theories, supports them with evidence, uses various experiments to confirm or deny the theories, and that is nothing the like of pure fantasy systems that prefer dogmas and wild imagination to explain nature.
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bjorn190
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posted July 01, 2004 12:43 AM |
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In the details it may be different, but in its function, its the same; They are both ways to explain our reality. One, religion, is the old way, which most of us have left behind. The other, science, still rules many peoples lives so strongly, that they see it as truth and fact rather than something we created to explain reality. It serves the same purpose as religion and is likely to be of the same accuracy or slightly better. It is also likely to be replaced in the future by a better way to explain reality, and people will see us as reasoning fools (like we view religious people in their old times). History will repeat itself, in a new context and time.
Many people probably cant see that, because they are under the influence of science and reason, and are unable to see the forest for all the trees. Still, science is just our current way of explaining reality. It has no exceptional traits to place it above religion, fantasy or delusion. They all come from the same place, and serve the same purpose: attempting to explain our reality.
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Svarog
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posted July 01, 2004 01:03 AM |
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Edited By: Svarog on 30 Jun 2004
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First of all, science and religion are not just two concepts, one of them being more anachronic than the other. They are fundamentally different. I'm surprised you cannot see that. Plus, science has been around as much as religion and there's no way that today it's supstitution for religion. Both in the past and today there were scientific and religious explainations of phenomena, the only difference being that the dogmas were accepted by a wider mass of people before than it is the case today.
Second, science is actually the one thing that helps us "understand" reality in the way that science applies reality to our mind essence, i.e. the possibilities it has or the way it functions. It is true that we cannot aim for a totally objective grasp of reality, but the one that is subjective to human nature and adjusted to our minds the best (and that is science) is of course just enough for our unfortunately subjective nature.
We're slowly getting into the realms of philosophy now. Actually what I'm saying is Kant's idea in the first place.
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bjorn190
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posted July 01, 2004 01:26 AM |
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Interesting.. I guess Im just not a reality kinda guy
To me reality can be one of 2 things:
1. The part or our worlds that we share, where our personal worlds meet eachother and become the same, a partial sum of everyones worlds that is the same for everyone.
2. The dream that doesnt go away when you stop believing in it.
Number one is a socially contructed reality that we all define together by communication in all its forms.
Number two is a more independant reality, the scientifical reality with natural laws and other facts.
I'm not really a believer in number 2, because of the obvious flaws of science; the axioms and the way we percieve reality - our senses.
Axioms are just fantasy, and with fantasy as a base, to me, science can be nothing more than a very useful fantasy. Nothing can ever be proven or disproven. Just guessed and fantasized about.
Second, our senses enterpret the world for us. We can't know if the world really exists, or if its just false sensory information uploaded into our minds, a la The Matrix. This automatically means that we have no way of using our senses to find out what is true and what is not. On the other hand, pragmatically, maybe it doesnt really matter as long as we sense it?
These two arguments should be enough to disprove science as any form of truth or fact forever. The arguments use reason, which is built into the scientific system, and since science claims reasoning is true, if reason disproves science, then science cant be true. Thus, science is false.
On the other hand, science is a useful tool for experimenting, and making educated guesses. But that doesn't mean its something special. Religion must have been a great way to make educated guesses back in its glory days, since you could get burned on a stake if you didnt follow the religious laws, much like you can die now if you disobey gravity and jump off a cliff without proper flight gear or stare direcly at the sun.
To me, science is as much make-believe as the tooth fairy, santa claus and eskimoes, and is right up there with religion and insanity as just another thing to chose to live life according to.
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