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bjorn190
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posted July 01, 2004 12:56 AM |
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Sex or murder on TV. What is worse?
A common myth in Europe is that in the US, they censor out Sex from TV and movies alot more than they censor out violence such as fights, assault, murder, shooting and violent carcrashes. In europe I think we may be the other way around and dislike violence more than sex.
To me, sex represents reproduction and the sustainment of life. Its a beautiful thing. Violence and murder and shooting on the other hand represent death and the end of life. Its a horrible thing.
I would rather have our teenagers watch porn movies and go out and have sex than watch action movies and go out and shoot eachother. What do you think?
More porn or more action?
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Svarog
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posted July 01, 2004 01:15 AM |
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More porn, less violence!
btw, "what is worse" me dont like the phrase. it sounds like we have to choose between two evils. But you put it nicely, one is creation the other is destruction. So in fact, the dilemma is self-destructive, that can only be answered otherwise by self-destructive individuals. 
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Marelt_Ekiran
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posted July 01, 2004 09:24 AM |
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Oh well. There exists a barbarian country somewhere on this earth that sends people to fight in wars when they are about 17 years old and where everyone walks around with guns in daily life and isn't afraid to use them if necesarry...
...but where the sight of a naked female body is guaranteed to scar a person for life, makes them wake up screaming at night and eventually turns them into diabolic beings who emit smoke from their ears and vomit up pea soup continiously.
I guess it's just an unfamiliar form of culture. Nothing to worry about, I should say. Everyone has a right to their own believes.
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Shai-Hulud
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posted July 01, 2004 09:37 AM |
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Dap...This is a thing to discuss...Both problems cand go to a much worse situation then we could imagine...Like if more porn will be set free...than we have a big chance that raping will come...You never know...I already know teenagers who made sex at when they were 12...And this could really get out of control(---and I'm not talking only about men( including boys)---). This could lead to sexual slaves --->sex was studied by psichologists and they camed to the conclusion that it produces dependency)
Then again we have violence, with more and more kids killing each others (and I'm not talking only about those who get a gun and start shooting all around them--- in this case we should analyze how did they could get a gun)...I'm talking about a 14 years old kid kidnapping a neighbours kid and tied him up in a basement and started hiting him with his legs( imitating a movie he saw a few week before)
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zonekill
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posted July 01, 2004 09:49 AM |
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Sex is natural.
Murder is not.
Finito.
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Shai-Hulud
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posted July 01, 2004 10:32 AM |
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Ohh..No really? Sex is natural and murder is not...Well if you take it more clearly you will see that murder too is natural, brought to us by that animal instinct for revenge( or just simple to kill)...You will say now:"Hey! But are we animals or what"...Well from this point of view we are...We have the same primary instincts, which include sex and murder...But the difference is that we have an superego that repulses all thoughts of killing...some persons instead all ruled by their instinctiv part...
This is not finito!!!
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SapphireRavyn
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posted July 01, 2004 02:11 PM |
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Well, my thought on the naturalness of it is this, whereas murder is not "natural" the feelings that lead to it: anger, frustration, need for revenge. What is important is how we raise our children, not what they watch on TV. If we take an active role in the lives of our children and raise them to know right and wrong, they will turn out having the tools to deal with the very complex range of feelings that come with humanity. I myself watched a lot of violence growing up (still do) but I am a very non-violent person because my parents raise me to know that it is wrong to hurt others. Likewise, although sex on television is pretty much everywhere, I didn't end up "knocked up" or sleeping around because again my parents taught me the right things.
Now, raising two children that are not mine, that come from horrible examples of "the right way" to do things, I have seen first hand what an impact parents have. My niece (14)and nephew (15) have lived with me for a little over 2 years. Before they came to live with me, they came from 2 homes (their moms and their dads) with very poor examples. Their mom was a drug addict/dealer that slept with pretty much everything that moved. She allowed the men her life to treat however they saw fit, including slapping her around. Their dad and stepmom are both drunks that spent pretty much every day and every dollar in the bar. When they are drunk, which is most of the time, they frequently get into domestic disputes, some of which involved the children 1st hand. In both homes they were allowed to run free and do whatever they wanted. Both were already getting into drugs and my nephew already has a criminal record (drugs and assault). Neither had any respect for any sort of authority and my nephew had ZERO respect for women and was pretty much angry all the time.
NOW having said all of that, since they have come to live with me, they have made HUGE turnarounds in their lives. Neither of them drink or do drugs, nor do they ever want to, as they have seen first hand just how destructive it can be. And no, I'm not being naive. We talk, as a family, about EVERYTHING, sex, drugs, alcohol, it doesn't matter. I know where they are and who they are with pretty much every minute of the day. I know because I require that they check in anytime they go from one place to another. Now I DO have an advantage, we live in a very small town (1300 people) so it makes checking up on them pretty simple. Of course, this did not happen over night. It has taken us two years, sometimes difficult years, to get where we are. My nephew is now one of the most laid back and happy kids you could ever meet. He is very polite and respectful and helps out around the house and with entertaining my son. He is also a straight A student and an accomplished athlete. He can't wait to turn 16 so he can go out and get a job as he knows our money is pretty tight now with 2 extra kids. Granted he still does stupid teenager things, but he's basically a very good kid. My niece, although sometimes mouthy and disrespectful, is a pretty good kid also. She still has a lot of pent up feelings to deal with but we work through them as they pop up. She struggles a little bit more in school then her brother but is also very athletic (when she isn't grounded due to her grades anyway). She will be my challenge in the teen years but she has a very good head on her shoulders, when she uses it.
The point I am making here, is that these kids have made this turnaround because they have someone in their life that loves them enough to make them tow the line. Now, they don't always like the rules that I have, or the restrictions I make, but they know that they ALL come because I love them and want them to make something more out of their lives then their parents did. They have somewhat had to learn right from wrong, but they are learning, and any child can, if someone at home takes the time to teach them.
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Shai-Hulud
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posted July 01, 2004 08:49 PM |
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You have a point there Sapphir, but now tell me how many parents in this world take your exmaple... Maybe in US they really do...but I'm wathcing the real life around me, here in Romania( ohh...by the way...tell me three first things that pop in your mind abou this country and you will see what I mean..don't look any information just say them). I'm taking my family example...Never discused about sex, drugs or anything related. Now the only thing that kept me almost normal( from my posts you can see logically I could be classified as mental unstable--had thoughts related to suicide and I've closed my soul from any touch from outside...) was my religion and my sense for seeing the difference between good and bad. I'm very good at school( I'm at the best high school in town), I don't take drugs, I don't smoke( I smoked 6 years ago 20 packets but I quited, nobody tried to convince me... and my parents didn't found out), I never had sex( and never tried even if I also seen porn), I never tried to steal(in fact I did-- peaches and apples from my neigbour( which is in fact a relative) but lets be serious )...All this record of mine wasn't with the help of anyone( seriously)...But as I watch around me I see an awfull number of stupid adolescents, who have a tendancy to: steal, pick on people, hit people, ask for money etc.
In fact all other kids from my block of flats are this way...
Now tell me how I, in a world of idiotism I rised to be very different, even though almost all the conditions for me to become a real criminal were present...
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2XtremeToTake
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posted July 01, 2004 09:11 PM |
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Put it this way
Would you rather Have sex???
Or
Would you rather be murdered/murder
But both are natural, like that other dude said. Murder is simply the animal instinct for bloodlust, revenge or other factors.
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Shai-Hulud
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posted July 01, 2004 09:22 PM |
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Put it this way Xtreme...
If you were a girl would you prefered to get raped( have an unwanted baby, be kicked out by your parents and live a life of a junkie leaving your child on the streets...and eventually you can get killed, because you are living in an dangerous enviroment) or would you like to murder/ get murdered?
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Frick
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posted July 02, 2004 12:11 AM |
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I think it's too much sex AND too much violence. Everything is filled either with sex and/or death. That's rather disturbing.
Shai: In the mental unstable thing, I saw my self. That's soooooo much me as I was some years ago. Scary.
Extreme: Murder is NOT natural! If it is, way is it so horrible?
Sapphire: Soo... You're saying that all it takes is someone that loves the kids? Not always... I know someone that had about the same experience as the kids you have, and that kid is now ... well, he's not what you can call a "good" kid.
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2XtremeToTake
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posted July 02, 2004 12:26 AM |
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Murder is natural- like charles darwin proposed- Its survival of the fittest. The strong survive, the weak are killed. All animals do it, so its natural. i saw a video clip of where a bunch of Chimpanzees gathered up and killed a baboon. So yea, its natural. At least among primates...
Also, Wolves fight amonst each other for the alpha male position, and often are killed...Lions are the same way.
Shai why do you have to take the complicated way
1. I would get an abortion
2. Any parents cruel enough to kick out their daughter after being raped dont deserve to live.
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ratmonky
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posted July 02, 2004 12:37 AM |
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Quote:
Put it this way
Would you rather Have sex???
Or
Would you rather be murdered/murder
But both are natural, like that other dude said. Murder is simply the animal instinct for bloodlust, revenge or other factors.
murder can be considered a somewhat natural phenomenon among animals (but of course it won't be called murder!) however, animals kill only to satisfy their hunger or to defend themselves. but you will never see a lion kill an animal when it is not hungry.
as for humans murder is not an instinct. there are many psychological and social factors that push a human to commit a murder and violent movies can be consedered one of them.
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vesuvius
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posted July 02, 2004 08:45 AM |
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USA supresses sex, promotes violence = High murder & violence rates per capita.
EUROPE liberal on sex, shuns violence = Much lower rates of violence, lower pregnancy rates as well.
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Trogdor
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posted July 02, 2004 09:08 AM |
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Europeans usually get away with excess because they know it isn't a crime to have sex but only if it is consented between adults, so it gets rid of violence, as it breeds criminal activity. People just need to be educated on violence.
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Shai-Hulud
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posted July 02, 2004 09:27 AM |
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Well..let's see...
Frick: You should see the other post related to love as a response of what wou said...I don't think you got rid of that mental state... or you replaced it with something... well something much more weird. Even if now I should be considered the same way...I am very sure of my state and know when to stop( God riddance)...
Xtreme: Now I'm saying of what I see around me... What I wrote wasn't special written to disagree you... Those parents said that she was the one that wanted to have sex... And I'm sure that in none of this countries the good way is taken every time... By the way related to that abortion problem, see what I wrote in that topic and you will see what I mean... You are a boy... You really don't have an ideea about making abortion... See also what girls wrote...
Vesuvius: Are you sure about that? Really interesting... Seems that the most well civilized continents can't resolve all the problems, making some compromises... Now the problem is: Where should we live?
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bjorn190
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posted July 02, 2004 12:30 PM |
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Now the problem is: Where should we live?
If you're a nice guy or a hot blonde, and like to help people just because they´re human beings - the Nordic countries or Canada(not sure about the hot blondes in canada)
If you're angry or a by-the-letter religious zealot who believes that its ok to treat people bad if the book of choice says so - Some other country, on your way to whatever hell you chose, cause thats where youre going. Maybe USA bible belt or middle east fundamentalism country.
If you wanna fight it out in life, and get on top if you're skilled, and fall down with noone to help you if you make mistakes, and possibly get shot. - USA
If you want to live and die by the machete. - Africa war zone
If you like words like wallaby and dingo and chazzwazza, and dont mind poisonous animals. - Australia
If you want to obsess about games and weird stuff - Japan or Korea
Not sure about China and Russia and India, but you could live there too I guess.
I like sweden because its allowed to help people here without being a fool. Since everynoe does it, its smart for everyone. A safe environment and a country with good education per capita. Nice place to bring up kids in. I guess you could try to move here, but you'd have to be nice.
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zonekill
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posted July 02, 2004 12:40 PM |
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I know a beatyfull place to live. It's Jackos Neverland farm. U don't have to grow up there, you stay a kid for a lifetime. And all u have is fun, fun, fun.
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Shai-Hulud
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posted July 02, 2004 01:02 PM |
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Yeap! This is interesting...Perphaps I should remind that you Bjorn started this thread and it seems you are getting out the limits...We weren't talking about countries, really. You don't live where you want to, you live where you have to!!!
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2XtremeToTake
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posted July 03, 2004 02:25 AM |
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What really irritates me is how the USA like shuns all type of sex, and anything that may even remotely lead up to it
One of my friends is 14. he is Not allowed to have a girlfriend, talk to any girl, except if it has to do with school only..Thats bullsnow..his parents want him to be gay?? lol anyways not like he listens..he has a girlfriend and sneaks out with her all the time...But he got into a fight where a knife was involved ( no one was injured..he just pulled out a knife to scare away someone) and he was only punished for a few days....Bullsnow? yes.
Some parents forbit physical contact, while others forbid it to a limit..
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