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Laelth
Famous Hero
Laelth rhymes with stealth.
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posted July 31, 2004 08:45 AM |
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Edited By: Laelth on 31 Jul 2004
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Who's training the noobs
Talk about frustration. 
I logged on to GS yesterday to see if I couldn't talk a vet. into giving Bizarro a try. None of the ones around would bite, but it had been months since I had been able to play a game. I had the time scheduled last night, and I was determined to play (and just about any map would do). At least 5 noobs came into GS last night and nobody but me would give them the time of day. No wonder the Heroes IV community is dwindling. Nobody was willing to put forth the energy to train the noobs (and it takes a lot of energy, I admit). I ran three kids through the registration process last night, including ettiquette, map selection, explaining ToH, making sure you have a compatible game version, etc. One kid ran out of time and had to go before my lesson was concluded. Another kid had an incompatible version of H4. The other one launched with me, finally, but then dropped me turn one. I have no idea why. I spent about six hours trying to train these three people, and didn't even get a game out of it. Is anybody else willing to do this?
We all had to be taught how to play online. We owe it to the community, I think, to teach others how to do it, and I'm not talking about actually playing the game. We learn that on our own through successive spankings. I'm just talking about the process of getting a game started.
I have a standard form I spew out on GameSpy to the noobs, and I want to reprint it here for others to copy and use. I always ask first whether they're registered with ToH. When, as they always do, the noobs respond with "What's ToH?" I give them the following message:
copy & paste in 2 steps!
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what's ToH, you ask?
ToH or "Tournament of Honor" is an online ranking system for Heroes IV.
http://toheroes.com
most people here will only play games with people who are registered at ToH.
go here to register: http://toheroes.com/registera.html
since you're new to online play, you should look for people who are at or near your current rank.
until you have 4 games on record you're a recruit.
here's where you can find rankings: http://toheroes.com/rankmain.html
finally, if you see someone here in gamespy that you might want to play, look them up and see what rank they are.
do that here: http://toheroes.com/info.asp
if you agree to play them, make sure you both report your game so that you can begin to build an online record. that way people will come to "know" you, and you'll be able to find games more easily.
report wins and losses here: http://toheroes.com/pcp.htm
g/l&h/f! (good luck and have fun)
Of course, when I first post this the noobs are not paying attention, and I have to go back and explain each step and why it's important. Nevertheless, by that time they've heard all of this twice, it's reinforced and generally understood. So vets, spend a little of the time and energy it takes to build the community, why not? Waste a little time (and it feels like a big waste of time) for the common good. Or, if you're too lazy to do that, somebody just play me a game on Bizarro. I really want to try it out!
-Laelth
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Aculias
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Pretty Boy Angel Sacraficer
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posted July 31, 2004 10:20 AM |
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Unfortunately it happens in alot of places when you only play who you like & noobs dont have a chance to show what a honourable player they are.
In heroes 3 we feared of cheaters & rightfully so & whiners & droppers etc.
Heroes 4 i dont hear much of that at all I think players in heroes 4 are too stubborn & stuck up & not to mention most are a bunch of Aholes who like to talk smack & hang around thier own crowd.
Heroes 4 dont have many players & they need someone like you Lealth to show them about upgrading 7 all when they need help so they can play each other or maybe the few vets that actually have honour in this game.
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Tenakha
Adventuring Hero
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posted July 31, 2004 02:30 PM |
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I have been trying your new map out,and i discovered a mushroom that gives me +2000 movement rather than the +20 it was supposed to.I have quite enjoyed what i seen so far though,but you might want to look at those mushrooms. i'd also like to acknowledge Bargainmon,as he spends all day telling noobs about toh,so not all h4 players ignore them.
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valkyrica
Supreme Hero
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posted July 31, 2004 04:29 PM |
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laelth, don't go in panic mood, please 
we all tell them what to do when we're there, with special thanks to BargainMon who's guiding them through the game process too.
you came in at a bad time when none of us were around, well me and karik were, but we were playing
we go out of our way to show them the "ropes", but most of them just "want to play", "host", "host" and despite our tries they just want to launch that very second, not even knowing what they actually want to do.
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balcough_dra...
Supreme Hero
unlucky? i want to pump you up
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posted July 31, 2004 04:41 PM |
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i play with newbs i know
but i refuse to play someone there i seen for 1st time
A. they will drop and leave
B. they could try to cheat
C. no fun playing a 10 hour map with someone who can't give you any challenge
i always help a new with their comp problems if they have it
always putting up website and tell them to register
i said i would play you on iron man laelth
and acu shut it
you haven't been in gs to know enough to talk
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slayer
whos your daddy and what does he do?
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Laelth
Famous Hero
Laelth rhymes with stealth.
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posted July 31, 2004 06:05 PM |
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Wow, lots to respond to.
Acu: If I didn't know you were kidding, I'd be offended by your characterization of H4 players. And thanks, I try to do what I can.
Tenakha: In Heroes IV Standard, version 3.0, the mushrooms give +20 movement. Were you playing the mod? The script says, if you look at it in the the editor, +2000 movement, but H4 standard, version 3.0, translates that into +20 movement in game (it's a bug, but the mushroom script, as I have it written, gets around that and gives only +20 movement.) I see, now, that our buddies at equilibrius fixed this bug. I was unaware that they had because I don't play the mod, usually. I suppose I'll have to produce a mod version of the map. Thanks for the heads up.
Valky: I know you helped a lot of noobs get started last season. I haven't been in GameSpy much this season, so I don't really know what's going on. That's why I asked the question: "Who's training the noobs." Glad to hear you still are, and I know the noobs are frustrating to work with. And Bargain is a great guy who'd help anybody. No doubt.
Balky: You'll get that game on Iron Man soon enough. I want to see how it's played. But last season you brought several noobs into the fold ... by doing what you've got to do ... play them. Too good to do that now, Balcough? Don't worry. Nobody will call you a point snow. We need the players.
-Laelth
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Tenakha
Adventuring Hero
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posted July 31, 2004 06:25 PM |
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yes,i was using the mod
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balcough_dra...
Supreme Hero
unlucky? i want to pump you up
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posted July 31, 2004 06:34 PM |
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lol i get 0 points for playing newbs which is not the problem
i just don't like when they drop and never come back
but they say they will
had this done atleast 4 times this season already
i will help them set up games but won't play them until i hear good things from others or i see that they are active
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slayer
whos your daddy and what does he do?
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Aculias
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Pretty Boy Angel Sacraficer
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posted August 01, 2004 02:40 AM |
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Sorry I'll try to be more serious quite sometime in the future .
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Laelth
Famous Hero
Laelth rhymes with stealth.
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posted August 01, 2004 08:41 AM |
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vesuvius
Hero of Order
Honor Above all Else
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posted August 01, 2004 09:27 AM |
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Well laelth, the players' patience in homm4 is limited, thanks to the extended lag times. Thats the nastiest cause of low activity. Personally I dont have the patience for homm4 online, prefer hotseat. So I hope that homm5 will have it back to homm3 speeds or faster.
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
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posted August 02, 2004 03:23 AM |
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Speaking of H5... does anyone know when Ubisoft is gonna start giving us some real meat on what there ideas and plans are?
There are some threads that CLAIM that we should post our ideas and Ubisoft will concider them...but I would think it would be better if they would start giving us some idea of what they are thinking so we can help debate the isses etc. Instead of suprise heres the game hope you like it.
Jinxer
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vesuvius
Hero of Order
Honor Above all Else
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posted August 02, 2004 04:50 AM |
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suprise heres the game hope you like it.
Thats probably what its going to be, unfortunately.
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valkyrica
Supreme Hero
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posted August 02, 2004 05:16 AM |
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Instead of suprise heres the game hope you like it.
Jinxer
Damn unprofessional of them, huh Jinx ?
It's like you cutting someone's hair without a mirror, surprise, here's how you look, hope you like it
We should sue them for "malpractice on the boards"
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mike11
Adventuring Hero
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posted August 06, 2004 07:08 PM |
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suprise heres the game hope you like it.
Thats probably what its going to be, unfortunately.
I'd be shocked if they even make H5. I would love it if they do, but is there even enough revenue in the Heroes line to warrant it?
The online Heroes community is tiny compared to other game formats, that it would seem a waste of time. If they are not keeping in touch with the TOH crowd for for ideas and suggestions, than who are they targeting the game for?
As much as I would love to return and play some more Heroes with you guys....I just dont see it being an ongoing concern for the corporate profit machine.
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Angelspit
Famous Hero
Warrior of the Heavens
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posted August 06, 2004 07:56 PM |
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Tiny Heroes Community?
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The online Heroes community is tiny compared to other game formats, that it would seem a waste of time.
The community might be larger than you think. For every tournament player out there, there are dozens of people who play campaigns or hot seat games. We're much smaller than the Warcraft community, but we're certainly larger than the Disciples crowd. Blame the limited marketing power of the dying 3DO for the lack of exposure Heroes IV received.
As for the barbershop analogy, it just doesn't make sense. What if I don't want to end up with a mullet like yours? Ubisoft has to come up with an interesting design, one that takes advantage of the latest technology and remains true to the Might and Magic traditions. It cannot please everyone, and players will need to understand that games cannot be custom-made.
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Tenakha
Adventuring Hero
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posted August 07, 2004 01:26 AM |
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I absolutely agree that bad marketing didnt help.When i purchased the game when it was first out,i had 3 friends who all wanted it also,but were never able to find a copy anywhere,despite much looking.And lets remember that heroes is an old game now,the community is bound to be small.
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mike11
Adventuring Hero
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posted August 10, 2004 03:32 AM |
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Quote:
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The online Heroes community is tiny compared to other game formats, that it would seem a waste of time.
The community might be larger than you think. For every tournament player out there, there are dozens of people who play campaigns or hot seat games. We're much smaller than the Warcraft community, but we're certainly larger than the Disciples crowd.
Dude, you need only look at these boards to see how many people play this game. I made my last post over 3 days ago, and this thread with only 2 replies after mine, is still near the top. The people who play heroes is a tiny fraction of what kind of audience game companies are trying to attract. This coming from a very avid H4 player at one time and a lover of the heroes and might and magic games.
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Timezone = PST ( EST -3, GMT -8 )
Wez - WoW Archimonde 60 Human Priest
Wez - SWG Bria TKM/Doc/Fencer
Mike11 - HOMMIV TOH Legionaire
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Immortal
Adventuring Hero
Transylvanian Dread Knight
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posted August 15, 2004 12:36 AM |
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I wonder what happened with the community at 3DO...the one where you were leveling up ....i met one guy there that maked into game finally , Rex Mundi or something....there were 3 of them if im not wrong , but dont know who others two are....another great site with a small community was at www.h3trio.com.They had quite nice offline tourneys, battle arena or something and map of week/month...dunno what happened with it though....i hope they do not dissapoint us and really make a heroes 5...either h3 or h4 way ,just make it...
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Mnc
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posted August 24, 2004 12:05 PM |
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Laelth
" Laelth i have playded your maps really much and i think they are just great! I can always tell what is your map because your maps have sharp corner. He he.. =)"
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