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B0rsuk
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posted August 03, 2004 08:25 PM |
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Blunt: will Heroes 5 dissapoint ?
Hi.
The question may sound stupid, but given the current tendency in gaming industry ("Take a good game/serries, simplify it beyond recognition to make console-suitable, make shiny graphics, provide no support/patches and serious bugs in version 1.0, introduce 3D and realtime at ALL COSTS ....PROFIT AND FORGET"), and the shape of Heroes4, I'm quite worried about future of Heroes5. I've seen too many good serries transform into mediocre, shiny mass-market thingy.
Examples:
Thief 3
Deus Ex 2
UFO: Aftermath
Quake 3
The gaming companies mostly use only proven, boring profit schemes. They fear to try something new. As said John Carmack, an astronaut who happens to have a game developing hobby, they are in a way forced to use old schemes. They (ID) say that innovation today is up to small, not much known companies. (actually ID has about 17 members, so it may be called a small company). They also say they're bored with recycling old stuff, and their next game past Doom3 will have nothing to do with both Doom and Quake. It will be something totally new.
How do you think ? Is Heroes5 doomed, will it fail into pit of mediocre'ness, a kind of Fire&Forget&Profit missile ?
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Consis
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posted August 03, 2004 08:31 PM |
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Unknown
No way to know for sure until the game release. Fans will be expecting multiplayer feature to be part of the initial release. It could be a great game but if it doesn't have multiplayer then we could have another H4 cave-in.
I have historically argued against the concept art but there is no way to know for sure until it is released this month(I think). I'll buy the game for sure but I can't promise I'll play it if they dishonor the fans.
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regnus_khan
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posted August 03, 2004 08:39 PM |
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Well, Consis is right. We must wait till it is released.
IMO, it will not be a crap, but there will be some flaws and loads of bugs.
Since it is only the first time Ubi creates a game of these series, we may find the game very bad.
Though, I believe everything's gonna be OK!
we must hope for the best!!!
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Daddy
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and why not.
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posted August 03, 2004 08:41 PM |
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Well, Consis is right. We must wait till it is released.
IMO, it will not be a crap, but there will be some flaws and loads of bugs.
Since it is only the first time Ubi creates a game of these series, we may find the game very bad.
Though, I believe everything's gonna be OK!
we must hope for the best!!!
True.. :>
We can do not much but hope and so lets have positive thoughts and all will be allright  :>
reg
Daddy
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doomnezeu
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posted August 03, 2004 09:56 PM |
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i fully trust ubisoft in it's efforts to develop heroes 5.
it's the least i can do.
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Dragon_Slayer
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toss toss toss
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posted August 04, 2004 12:43 PM |
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Since it is only the first time Ubi creates a game of these series, we may find the game very bad.
I completely disagree with this. Because it is the first time Ubi have made a game like this they will ot be afraid to try new ideas as their every idea is probably a new one. Since they have come in and taken over a bankrupt company they have many gamers to please and they know it. This will make them produce a game that would be as close to what the people want as possible. Its different when a big company who has been making a series of games for many years think they can slack off just because they have already made a big name for themselves and people will buy their game based on their rep. Its is kind of different for Ubi. They have a good rep but they have not been making the heroes series before, so they have to impress.
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Daddy
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and why not.
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posted August 04, 2004 01:15 PM |
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That's quite a point, DS.
And I think, you're right :>
So all we can do is wait >.<
reg
Daddy
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DarkTitan
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posted August 04, 2004 01:27 PM |
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You must have confidence in the team!
I am praying that this game turns out good, because if it doesnt, it could spell end for heroes series 
Hopefully they got the feedback that HOMM 4 wasn't up to scratch and they wont carry on most of the H4 features that disappointed gamers previously.
But at the moment all we can to is wait and pray that Ubi can make the series return to its previous glory.
Thanx,
DT
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igoraki
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posted August 04, 2004 02:46 PM |
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Since it is only the first time Ubi creates a game of these series, we may find the game very bad.
This will make them produce a game that would be as close to what the people want as possible.
hmmmm,and what is it that ppl want ?
dark titan dont like h4 and would like to see heroes game back to old sheme.on the other side,i do very much like h4 and would prefer to see h5 build in that direction,of course,with some improvements,more new towns...and it will be very hard for me to go back into h3-h2-h1 sheme now that i have played h4.dont get me wrong,i like old heroes games,but h4 is way much better,imho.
and now what,they cant please as both...
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DarkTitan
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posted August 04, 2004 11:59 PM |
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dark titan dont like h4 and would like to see heroes game back to old sheme.
I never said i didnt like H4, its just i thought previous versions of the game were better. I like h4 and still play it, its just if h5 was based more on H4 then anything else, then im pretty sure it will disappoint
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B0rsuk
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posted August 05, 2004 12:23 AM |
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Heroes4 isn't so bad in itself. It's the lack of care, support, and polishing work that made the game nice at best.
Example: it's not the life draining that makes vampires so powerful. Take a look at their stats: 30 attack 30 defense ! That's more than many LEVEL 4 creatures have ! Vampire Lords in Heroes3 are nasty, but aside from their draining, their stats aren't earthshaking.
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doomnezeu
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posted August 05, 2004 08:54 AM |
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Heroes4 isn't so bad in itself. It's the lack of care, support, and polishing work that made the game nice at best.
Example: it's not the life draining that makes vampires so powerful. Take a look at their stats: 30 attack 30 defense ! That's more than many LEVEL 4 creatures have ! Vampire Lords in Heroes3 are nasty, but aside from their draining, their stats aren't earthshaking.
well, that's why we have equilibris. I think the guys that made it did a good job in rebalancing the in-game statistics
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Coololle
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posted August 05, 2004 11:19 AM |
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The only thing we can do is hope... hope... and give feedback.
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regnus_khan
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posted August 05, 2004 12:21 PM |
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Heroes4 isn't so bad in itself. It's the lack of care, support, and polishing work that made the game nice at best.
Example: it's not the life draining that makes vampires so powerful. Take a look at their stats: 30 attack 30 defense ! That's more than many LEVEL 4 creatures have ! Vampire Lords in Heroes3 are nasty, but aside from their draining, their stats aren't earthshaking.
well, that's why we have equilibris. I think the guys that made it did a good job in rebalancing the in-game statistics
I agrreee... Equilibiris 3,42 was very good re-balanced  (considering you do not have to buy a creature portal for phoenixes )
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B0rsuk
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posted August 05, 2004 04:07 PM |
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well, that's why we have equilibris. I think the guys that made it did a good job in rebalancing the in-game statistics
...like enabling Mass Forgetfulness, a spell removed by the developers because it was too powerful ?
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Mitzah
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of the Horadrim
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posted August 07, 2004 08:46 AM |
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I really hope H5 is gonna be the best! I trust UbiSoft because they made v. cool games(like Splinter cell etc).
You probably saw these before, but it's worth posting them
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Targan
Known Hero
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posted August 07, 2004 09:33 AM |
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sorry mitzah, those are 3do picks they wont be in ubisofts game.
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Polaris
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Known Hero
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posted August 09, 2004 02:05 AM |
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Thief 3 and DX2 went multi-platform. DX2 tried to appeal to a larger audience but ignored the original audience. I haven't heard much about Thief 3 but it's the same developer so probably same problem. Quake 3 was better than Quake 2 and is still a standard for benchmarks 5 years after release so I'm not sure what your point is on that one. UFO I know nothing about so no comment there. On the flipside other series that have gotten better with time: TES, Metroid, Diablo, UT. Overall it's a moot point, I think.
Ubisoft is a successful company because they release successful products. I have much more faith in Ubi than I would have had if NWC were making it.
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B0rsuk
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posted August 12, 2004 10:31 PM |
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Thief 3 and DX2 went multi-platform. DX2 tried to appeal to a larger audience but ignored the original audience.
and they failed.
I haven't heard much about Thief 3 but it's the same developer so probably same problem.
I suppose so. Nasty bugs, unimpressive AI, levels which reportedly can be finished by running around like an idiot and ignoring the guards...
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Quake 3 was better than Quake 2 and is still a standard for benchmarks 5 years after release so I'm not sure what your point is on that one.
My point is that it's just a finger exercise, and not a very good one. In Quake2 you learn tactics, in Quake3 - to ignore tactics. One of most popular maps (q3dm17) is a flight simulator. There is no consistency in style, because the game pretty much doesn't have it's own (and no athmosphere). It's unnaturally shiny graphics (trying to make friends among drug junkies, or 12 year olds ?), poor shadow rendering etc. But it certainly IS capable of good graphics (like RTCW shows us).
The only really good thing I can say about Quake3 is that it's good platform for Total Conversions, like Quake 3 Fortress, my favourite multiplayer mod. www.q3f.com
When stripped from additional detail it's clear that q3 maps are very simple and boring - much more simplified than ones in q2. A step backwards in evolution.
And something to prove my words - Unreal was never as popular as Unreal Tournament is... that's because q2 was much better competition than Q3 can be. After some time playing pure q3 is very dull - especially when compared to built-in modes of UT. (and there are newer versions of UT now, mind you). CTF in Q3 failed to draw much attention, because:
a) gameplay physics + very fast action - the weapons are generally too deadly. It's extremally easy to gib a flag carrier, because it's extremally easy to gib anyone in general.
b) CTF maps can be described as made of several (literally) empty cuboids. And very small ones. Not even close to sheer variety (and fun) of _first_ UT.
Summary: Q3 is doubtlessly good at one thing:
- it's a good, and capable game/mod platform.
And I fail to see any others, despite of being ID/FPS game fan for many years. Q3 may be technical standard benchmark, but guess what ? See below:
http://archive.gamespy.com/stats/
You can see clearly. First place - Half-life (or more correctly - Counterstrike mod, but, behold - A game based on quake2 engine .
Quake3 is on 13th place.... despite having vast technological superiority. Over Half-life(or Quake2 engine if you prefer it this way)
Wolfenstein: Enemy Teritory is on 3rd place, it was 2nd for a long time. And trust me, it's not only because the game it's free - it's very balanced, interesting to play, has a lots of tactics, and it's maps are cool-looking, complex, and playable. That's because the game was made by former Quake 3 Fortress mod team ! These guys also made Doom3 multiplayer maps.
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At some points, yes, but:
Many enemies were better in Diablo1. Compare Hell Knight (diablo2) to Steel Lord(?) from Diablo1.
Diablo2 has one big mistake about it: it's very redundant. There are certain BEST skills and you don't want to use others. Same stuff goes for levels - once you can do Bhaal runs, why should you bother with anything else ?
I recommend you another game instead of Diablo2: Nox. It's fairly good single player game, with many creative skills and ideas, and kickass multiplayer game. Unfortunatelly it's from EA (Westwood), and they're selfish moneysuckers. I mean, no support and you can't play MP any longer.
The funny thing about MP: there's no experience gain ! Everyone starts with same chances, and the game modes are as follows:
Deathmatch, Capture The Flag, King Of The Hill... you get the idea. And it's wicked fun, because there are MANY spells and they're made useful at all stages of game. Each of them has it's pros and cons, and the variety is great. More powerful ones are harder to hit, homing missiles are either weak or costly, or something else.
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UT
In general, yes, but no dramatic new functionality here. The new UT's could be easily distributed as patches. They stick to the old, proven concepts so much that they're afraid to try something new.
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Ubisoft is a successful company because they release successful products. I have much more faith in Ubi than I would have had if NWC were making it.
I hope you are right this time.
It was a fiendishly long post and I should be shot for writing it.
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Dingo
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posted August 13, 2004 05:23 AM |
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UT2004 is so much better than UT2003 or the Original UT.
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