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tyler
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posted September 03, 2004 04:23 AM |
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Hi I am Cornholio !!! 
I must say I totaly agree with The_teacher and -Arangar(about Balcough lol)-. This to me seems to be the whole point of the game...Who does things faster wins no doubt...What's the deal with closed maps anyway (offcourse no dissrespect for Lord Bizarro )...isnt it the same in all the types of games (warkraft,counter-strike, u name it) only in a diferent sense beenig a turn based game ...
Enough for now thank u 
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
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posted September 03, 2004 04:28 AM |
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First of all, I wanna start off by saying, Laelth is very wise. Finally someone that understands and appreciates Jinxers point of view. Thanks Buddy.
2nd, if I implyed that NONE of the emperors had skill, then I recant part of my statement. My comments was reserved for a select few that noticably stir clear of maps like IP or Bizarro or DZ etc. And I would gladly eat my words if certain past emperors would play 10 games in a row on IP or DZ or Bizarro and win them all.
And Arangar, no where in any of my posts did I even come close to leading on that I had any skill or was any good. So why you felt the need to boast about being able to beat me at a Blind map is beyond me. My references was a generalization about the fact that a past emperors that normally have a 95% win rate would not do near as good if faces with material they couldnt prepare for and study.
But at any rate, no sense in going in circles, each camp ( as laelth puts it has there opinions and ways of looking at it, and that isnt gonna chance. This was just a nice little debate session.
Cheers.
Jinxer
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CMEPTb
Adventuring Hero
Little Angel Of Death
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posted September 03, 2004 09:48 AM |
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Hehehe, bad russian rusher's (or weak Leggionarie) point of view...
Heroes isn't race, of course. But speed is the part of the game. Justin Gatlin can runs quicly, only. It's isn't enough to play Heroes good. If Arangar can beat five neutrals per turn, why he must wait jinxer, who can beat only two? Long closed maps - this is playing with comp (neutrals), but i want to play with human! (I can play closed maps too. lol). Random genegator have "luck" or 'balance' problem. One player can have rich resp, another poor. Why all H3 champions have so much loses? They will never have emperor such as Youri with 2 loses only!
It isn't critical, but closed maps have enother problems! Arangar told that luck arts, luck spells and ets. It's critical for equals opponents. Of couse I always can beat jinxers on closed map or open, because he hasn't tactical combat skill  Wanna clan war on ip or Bizarro? I'm vs you. Other rules is you choice!
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Hoher
Adventuring Hero
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posted September 03, 2004 12:15 PM |
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In what game russian guy play (more than 1700 voices)?
Single only - 30.2%
Single more than multi - 41.9%
Multi more than single - 23%
Multi only - 4.6%
So, i think closed map is very popular for many players, because it like single. Just a fact.
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
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posted September 03, 2004 03:48 PM |
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It is apparant that none of you guys actually read the words in the posts before you go off spouting your gibberish. You must read like my wife, she skims the page and read about every 4th word.
Let me see if I can simplify my past statements and point of view. I dont care if Arangar can take 5 more neutral fights than me per turn, that is called GM pathfinding, not skill. I dont care if I get attacked week 3 instead of week 6 that is called open map. But what I do get discusted by.. is when players take a CLOSED week 6 map and study the Plss outta it and by way of exploiting the unintential weaknesses they shave off 2+ weeks off of map and thusly turn it into a rush.
If I am playing a completely Open map and my opponent comes in and attacks me day 8. Then that is Way kewl! I would applaud him, and say great game. No beef from me.
You guys dont see the fundimental differnce in this? This is why I made reference to Blind maps earlier. Cause the players wouldnt have oppurtunity to study that fasted path or the proper order to take things on the map so as to maximize movement and minimize going wrong direction, and they would 9 times outta 10 would get very close to running map in 6-7 weeks as map was designed. Then if they show up 3 days earlier, who cares? Not me. This ALL boils down to them studying and playing and over playing the maps to the point they ruin and change the integrity of how the map was originally designed to play.
I cannot find the words to explain this in any differnt way. And I will be that the retaliatory posts will still go back to saying why should a player wait on you Jinxer lol. Cause I dont think your Brains are capable of comprehension. 
Jinxer
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Arangar
Famous Hero
Weak ranger - lost viking
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posted September 03, 2004 05:39 PM |
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If you read carefully you would notice "who" it is that "Skims" through these pages.
And I understand you perfectly jinxer. Too bad not even you believe what you are saying in the above post..
Arangar
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Arangar
Norwegian viking
ranger of the north
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valkyrica
Supreme Hero
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posted September 03, 2004 05:41 PM |
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Jinxer, i'll put it a way that even YOU can understand, although i highly doubt such a way exists.
You own a hair dresser shop or something like that zud tells me. Now, if you or your employees were to cut the hair worse or slower than the other hair stylist shop across from you, all your clients wouldn't do business with you anymore, only maybe the very very old customers, who feel sorry for you and want to support you any way they can, so they just cut their hair at your place, and then go across the street a different day to right the wrong you've caused. (insert Zud in this category )
In a sense heroes is just like cutting or "styling" hair, if you do a wrong move (e.g. take too much off the top, use the trimmer too high) then you will lose either the client if your booboo is too big, or if it's not that big of a deal, then you lose time to undo it.
Either way you lose something. (i really have faith in you jinxer that you can understand where i am going)
About speed, in every fact of life there's speed, name one field that doesn't require you to have a certain amount of "speed". Every job requires some sort of that "speed". Even yours !!!! (even though, i've always seen girls as being hairstylists, not guys) If you take 30 min to cut somebody's hair, and the other place across the street takes 15 to do the same exact work for the same exact price, guess where most of your customers will go...
About random maps, although i would want to see some kind of generator for h5 (maybe not the whole map, but certain aspects such as terrain), they are the same as fixed maps in an absurd kind of way. So, if you lack the skill (or "gm pathfinding"/"disecting the map"/"patternizing" as you can find this word in jinxer's dictionaries) you can't win on random maps either. That was a general you, concerning all players. About the specific YOU (jinxer) you CERTAINLY can't win, simply because of what cmeptb said, you lack tactical skills and don't really want to improve, you just like hearing yourself rant and rant like a little girl, you did in h3, you do in h4, maybe in bed too, that's why you get so much time to play "IP"
So the whole point of this long arse post is you still have your hairstyling shop or whatever it's called, you must be doing something right with it, you might want to apply that in heroes as well, but more importantly in bed (there are signs all over ... your wife got a new puppy )
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valkyrica
Supreme Hero
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posted September 03, 2004 05:49 PM |
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I cannot find the words to explain this in any differnt way.
do a hair sketch then, maybe that'll be easier for you rather than making sense
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Cause I dont think your Brains are capable of comprehension.
Now you know why ants don't understand humans very well, you're progressing, emerging into an AntDragQueen maybe
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Tenakha
Adventuring Hero
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posted September 03, 2004 07:07 PM |
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I just feel I need to say something here.This was supposed to be a post regarding Laelth's new map,and it has deteriorated into a "Jinxer-bashing" session.I understand that people will say i'm just sticking up for my clan mate,but i think everyone is being a bit harsh,dissing his job and his tactical skills(Cmeptb,as far as your record shows you never even played jinxer,so what would you know about wether he has tactical skills or not ?).And as for clan war with you guys,not a chance.I heard more bad stories of your clans dirty tricks than i heard about the rest put together.I dont like snowing sessions,but when people like cmeptb join in cos its "in vogue" to trash talk someone,it really annoys me.we all have favourite styles of play,and Jinxer's may not be everyones cup of tea,but at the end of the day,you dont have to play him if you dont want to.simple.
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valkyrica
Supreme Hero
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posted September 03, 2004 07:52 PM |
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UK sticking up for US, what a connection indeed, like that between a jockey and his horse, i'll let you decide who's who
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CMEPTb
Adventuring Hero
Little Angel Of Death
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posted September 03, 2004 08:57 PM |
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Cause I dont think your Brains are capable of comprehension.
Ah, Cyberian wild man whiach lives with bears! How i'm playng heroes? This is the question!
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Cmeptb,as far as your record shows you never even played jinxer,so what would you know about wether he has tactical skills or not ?
I have seen his record. And i know many players from it. I hope i'm wrong, but only game can show me it!
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And as for clan war with you guys,not a chance.I heard more bad stories of your clans dirty tricks than i heard about the rest put together.
I heard many things about everything, but i don't believe in it. I must see it before believe, but i have more than 35 and haven't seen something. I use only permit tactics. If you didn't know fine points why you told about "dirty tricks"? If i was Tenakha i would to try to learned this points to be legionnaire at first
If you guys have excellant brains you must understand me
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
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posted September 03, 2004 08:58 PM |
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Its just really sad that you guys cant just debate the issues without slinging mud and flaming. Shows alot about your charactor.
Jinxer
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Tenakha
Adventuring Hero
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posted September 03, 2004 09:50 PM |
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Cmetpb,I do not need to be legionnaire to have an opinion on anything.Does the fact that you are better at a game mean that your points are more valid ? I think not.I am entitled to my opinions as much as any higher ranked player here.I fully accept that most players who post here would beat me on any map,but that does not mean i have to accept what they say as the truth just because they are better heroes players than me.When i made my post i knew i was setting myself up to be a target along with Jinx,but i did it anyway.It was an attempt to steer the topic back to its original point,but I see now that i neednt have bothered.I just dont understand why there needs to be all this hostility over a game,for that is after all,all heroes is.
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the_teacher
Supreme Hero
Talk to the hand!
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posted September 03, 2004 10:36 PM |
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hey , c'mon !
what's that ? it's becoming worse and worse and i think it's the time (if not passed a bit yet) to stop this argue.
we all joined same community, we have jinxer, we have cmeptb, we played together , joked and made fun of some, more or less, stupidities (of each other, in the moments of inspiration).
we'll move on playing so i guess our opinions should make a "conversation" subject, rather than a acid hammer. arguments are welcome, even if they are not share by all of us, but what seems to follow a logic it's alright for posting. we can have adrenaline while playing.
we are too few to afford losing some. I know someone would say "i have 2-3 friends, ill stick with them , it's enough for me" but i guess more enjoyable people better would be.
so pls, let's keep a pleasant environment.
no one is some others' judge. They who knows much and want to share his knowledge should do it honestly , not making any comparison , cause we are all here to learn, no one is the keeper of the absolute truth.
jinxer had some good points in the past and i do believe he'll come up with some more ,but this argues could inhibits anyone to give some advices that he consider it to be helpful.
we need collaboration for new maps , for improving the old ones , especially when all of us consider painful the lack of RMG
pls, let's be mature
have a nice day
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CMEPTb
Adventuring Hero
Little Angel Of Death
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posted September 03, 2004 11:00 PM |
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Edited By: CMEPTb on 3 Sep 2004
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Teachy put it very well gl tenakha, jinxer and other and have more fun! We are few different, but we like Heroes!
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we need collaboration for new maps , for improving the old ones
You raised some very good points Who can repair old interesting map? With balance and adapted to Equi... It's my dream!
Respect to Laelth! You are more important than we at all Thank you!
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
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posted September 03, 2004 11:38 PM |
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Agreed Teacher!
( except for the part about Jinxer having good points in past ) All my points are good past and present
Jinxer
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valkyrica
Supreme Hero
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posted September 04, 2004 08:27 AM |
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teacher and his soft points, i knew he had to make peace, but i was counting on it later than he did
and as a fine point ten, nobody's arguing and flaming, it's all in good fun, it's not like anyone here hates Jinxer or anything like that, it's for entertainment purposes only
He's our ... what's the word in english for the one who used to amuse Kings and nobles ? ah, yes Jesterinx
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I'm Guybrush Threepwood, mighty pirate
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Arangar
Famous Hero
Weak ranger - lost viking
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posted September 04, 2004 05:42 PM |
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It's all good. Don't worry tenakha, your words have value no doubt.
This discussion will always go on. But I believe there are no hard feelings between the players, just alot of hot temper
Arangar
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Arangar
Norwegian viking
ranger of the north
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insatiable
Supreme Hero
Ultimate N00bidity
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posted September 05, 2004 10:37 AM |
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we all have natural enemies, is absolutely normal and without hatred or passion ivolved
They are those who live in totally different frequency than our selves
war occurs when one side tries to persuade/force other to come to his own frequency
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Hoher
Adventuring Hero
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posted September 07, 2004 04:51 PM |
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2:Laelth
I have used your map bizarro for offline tournament.
Players must accamulate army to 1st day 2nd month for final battle on arena.
I make changes - portals open on day 15, so player have 15 day to clear his part of map and 14 day to clear computers part.
You can see players army (Red-player1 vs Blue-player2) in final arenas.
http://www.heroesleague.ru/show/1026/arena_Vadim99_vs_LowAlex.h4s
http://www.heroesleague.ru/show/1024/arena_AlexKov_vs_ShayTan.h4s
http://www.heroesleague.ru/show/1025/arena_Havr_vs_Since1994.h4s
I can send you saves of players if you want to see it.
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