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Consis
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posted September 02, 2005 12:14 AM |
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Edited By: Consis on 1 Sep 2005
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Hehehe
The CoastGuard is having a tough time getting to the area from the Gulf. Somewhere in all that is an example that shows PrivateHudson was wrong in his opinions of the British fleet during the war of 1812. Ha, I've got him on this one. I've got him! You see the CoastGuard ships are afraid to come in too far because of the water depth in the area. Therefore they are sending the rescue choppers(which I believe has rescued over 3,000 persons thus far). THE SHIPS CAN'T REACH THEM PRIVATEHUDSON! Man oh man I love being right! w00t!
...uh...back on a serious note: This is all very disparaging.
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posted September 02, 2005 12:24 AM |
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Sorry to bust yer bubble there, Consis, but --
A) The water depth varies from none at all to about twenty feet, depending on which part of the terrain you're on at the moment
B) The route is blocked by numerous overpass highway thoroughfares that are only slightly above the water and dip up and down, and
C) The water is not deep enough even to cover the rooves of many of the houses, meaning that the floating devices would have to be narrow enough to pass between rows of houses on streets built during the horse-and-carriage days, when the roads were very, very narrow by today's standards.
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEGHGHGHGH (Nasty sounding buzzer)
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posted September 02, 2005 12:28 AM |
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Whoa -2Extreme, I just saw your last post --
Sweet Jesus, man. Thank god you're alright, I for one didn't know you lived down there. Is everyone in your family/friend circle alright?
So -- Colorado's poorer than you guys??? I didn't know that!!!! (I for one am for sure though...)
What I heard was that the police were going into the hardware stores and taking the guns and ammo so that the looters would stop taking them because they're starting to shoot at the cops and flight-for-life choppers.
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posted September 02, 2005 12:47 AM |
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THE SHIPS CAN'T REACH THEM PRIVATEHUDSON! Man oh man I love being right! w00t!
I don't see why, I don't believe I argued that they could do it, I argued that to not try to do it was wrong. There would also be a distinct difference between being able to reach parts of a city and being able to bombard Jackson's position from afar. This is further mentioned by PM in her response.
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posted September 02, 2005 12:56 AM |
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yea Me and my family/friends are alright. Alabama wasnt hit that hard, nothing but minor inconvienences (Gas, electricity) as far as i know no one lost their home or life in Alabama.
And about the police lootings - they showed video in Biloxi ,Mississippi of policemen holding large crowds back, while other policemen and fireman went into the store and came out with stuff of their own.
I have some pictures of the Hurricane, it was pretty awesome here. The power of the wind is overwhelming, i weigh a good 200+ pounds, and i stood outside during the peak of the hurricane (Yes..i am stupid) and i was being forced backwards.
Almost all civil services have stopped there. They interviewed this one woman in New Orleans who was camping out on I-10, and she said her husband was having a heart attack and she went to a nearby ambulence asking for help and they told her sorry, and then drove off. He died later, and then the policemen told her to move the body so it wouldnt smell. I found that paticular story disgusting.
People here in Alabama were whining cause they have no electricity or gas, and they were making a big deal over it, but there are people just about a hundred miles west who are dying and have nowhere to live. That made me sick too.
Gas lines here are outrageous. Today the price of gas was 3.25 a gallon, and the lines at some gas stations stretch for a mile or two. I was in line today when this old guy tried cutting in the front, and 5 or 6 people swarmed him and threatened to beat the hell out of him if he didnt get out of line. And the police here even said if they had, they wouldnt have arrested them. Some people are just greedy and think they are special, thinking instead of being like everyone else and waiting, they can immediatly cut in front of the lines.
Anyways for me, I have ALOT of raking to do...ugh.
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posted September 02, 2005 07:35 AM |
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My Fellow Americans:
Watch your local gas prices. Oregon is a long way from Louisiana and Mississippi but not so far in the same oil-driven economic country. We should all watch the price of gas.
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posted September 02, 2005 07:51 AM |
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We are even expecting a rise in fuel costs in Australia because the world oil price rose due to the hurricane...
So the warning should be for everyone, not just Americans, even though you will be the worst affected country...
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posted September 02, 2005 03:43 PM |
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Edited By: Conan on 2 Sep 2005
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Im shocked though that no one went " omg 2Xtreme lived in that area is he alright?!!?!?!? I miss him!!! Nooo!!!"
 no one cares about me...lol
Well, you might want to check out the wastelands...  A thread was created specifically for you. 
One that blows my mind is Bush saying no to internationnal help, while people in parts of his country are living in anarchy. Canada, like Germany has also offered it's help, and Bush declined. You US citizens accept this without saying anything?
Canada is ready, the military is ready, all the trucks are loaded with generators, water cleaning devices and food. But we can't help because your president is such a great foobum. Can someone please explain to me what he's thinking at this point, seeing the images of people dying?
Would it have to do with the fact that they are Black and poor? Funny how in the Sept 11th he didn't hesitate for foreign help .... mostly white rich people where affected. Now Black poor people are affected and look how he is treating the situation: he makes a fundraiser with Clinton and Daddy?
That's just sad man.
Edit: about the gas prices, we have had a 20% increase in gas prices in Canada because of this. I expect it to rise even more so I filled up yesterday at 1,24$/Litre and the car will sit there for a while... I'll just walk or bus.
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posted September 02, 2005 03:59 PM |
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Edited By: Jebus on 2 Sep 2005
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Im not sure it's necessarily a racial thing...
Im under the impression it's more of an independance thing... "we come to the aid of others, but need not to reduce ourselves to beeing assisted by another! We are self sufficient and when we rebuild we'll have nobody to thank and to credit but the great US of A!!"
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sorry but i just finished getting through everyone's posts and I have to say this to Consis...
whoever is responsible national pride and patriotism is doing one helluva job down there! 
(I've never seen anyone so "it's not the government cus their great!)
It's unfortunate that it came to this but it took a natural disaster to show (if they chose to see it) the US government that they are in fact not untouchable!!
You can protect your country from all the evils in the world with your technology and huge armies, you can shut others out and isolate yourself but there is one power that you are not immune to:
Mother nature.
Hopefully this will be a reminder that no matter how large a country or government is, we're all but a tiny speck in the large scheme of things....
(I'd like to send out my best wishes to anyone directly affected by this, or anyone that has friends or family in this mess)
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posted September 02, 2005 04:53 PM |
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Im guesing Mardi Gras is canceled this year there...and i wanted to go too!
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posted September 02, 2005 05:33 PM |
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Rubbish
I can't believe this could become a race-related issue. The mere thought that some people could categorize it as such is utterly offensive to me. And lo . . . what's this I see my news program is reporting? Something called "Race Reality" of New Orleans? This is utterly despicable! It's nonsense! People are people you dishonorable racist scum!
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posted September 02, 2005 05:40 PM |
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I can't believe this could become a race-related issue. The mere thought that some people could categorize it as such is utterly offensive to me. And lo . . . what's this I see my news program is reporting? Something called "Race Reality" of New Orleans? This is utterly despicable! It's nonsense! People are people you dishonorable racist scum!
"racist scum" I will take this insult personnaly.
It might not be the reason, but it's a funny coïncidence either way, is it not? I'm not racist at all, and that's why I stated what I did; it's not fair for them to be treated differently then the white folks in the Sept. 11 epic.
I understand it might be offensive to you to make this association between the facts, and rest assured, these facts are offensive to me aswell, not the association. I still can't beleive the US treat their citizens that way.
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Consis
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posted September 02, 2005 06:27 PM |
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Hmm?
I assume you have proof that these people are being treated differently than the "white folk" on September 11th, 2001? Perhaps you forget and I should be the one to remind you that September 11th, 2001 saw the deaths of many persons; not merely "white folk", but other so-called races as well. I don't recall any special treatment to any one of those groups! It seems to me that you're making unfounded accusations in support of your prejudgments of my country.
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posted September 02, 2005 06:28 PM |
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Conan & Consis:
I think the two of you are saying exactly the same thing in two different ways.
Both of you think it either unthinkable and/or despicable that there should or would be any difference in the desperation with which the admin is reacting to New York versus New Orleans just because of the flavors of the victims.
The only question is whether there's any merit to the claim.
Or whether it could be some other thing, or whether it's a combination.
The race factor is the product of speculation at this point; you can't get inside other peoples' minds like that.
But I will tell you that I have been glued to the news stations since late Saturday night, and I've seen just about all the information that is available on the hurricaine. I did exactly the same thing with 9/11. And there are some external, obervable and identifiable differences that might explain the difference in reaction between the two incidents.
First, the 9-11 strike was immediate, highly visible, and isolated to about eighty city blocks. Almost all the damage was vertical, making it possible to drive right up to the blast site, rush in and start trying to sort through the rubble rlght away.
Second, when they did get in there everybody was already, instantly dead -- vaporized in the collapse. With very few exceptions, there were not thousands of people literally crawling out of the woodwork for days upon days compounding the original estimation of emergency services needed.
In New Orleans, on the other hand, the real disaster only began to emerge after the storm had come and gone. Since the power was already out, it took us a lot longer to figure out the seriousness of the growing breaches in the levees. Nearly all the damage was horizontal, spreading through thousands of acres, destroying virtually all mobility and access to and from the disaster site.
A near complete lack of information access conflated with this slowly developing mega-crisis (compared the the almost instantaneous nature of 9/11) to confound the authorities and delay their understanding of the gravity of the situation.
So now combine the mind-boggling number of emerging tens of thousands of living, lingering people-in-need, with prolonged, almost complete physical inaccessibility, complete breakdown of communications in the area (no electricity, nobody's cell phones were working, people were having extreme difficulty reaching the mayor, the mayor couldn't reach the president or the FEMA coordinator, etc.etc.) and what you have is the appearance of neglecting the situation in a way that the situation was not neglected on 9/11.
Then once the entire infrastructure broke down, the chaos of the situation started snowballing, making the needs for much greater numbers of troops and assistance become gradually but increasingly obvious. But the absence of communications continued to compound the ability to respond.
Don't get me wrong. I still hold my government accountable for excessive stupidity and denial about the obvious potential danger and failure to plan ahead. I'm just suggesting that these are just as likely the reasons for what has happened and that it may or may not have anything at all to do with racism.
My personal feeling is that the race factor was an incidental in this case. The reason I feel this way is because my whole country has been in a complete panick throughout the entire episode, furious and in an uproar, freaked out and frightened, but it has been real obvious since the first foot of footage here that the victims were largely or exclusively African Americans.
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posted September 02, 2005 06:43 PM |
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More local stories
Another story that was told today on the news was this guy in New Orleans, he decided to ride out the storm with his wife and two grandchildren. Floodwaters began rising rapidly, so they retreated to their cellar, they got the grandchildren up there, and the rapid waters grabbed ahold of the woman. The man tried to hold on to her, and she told him "You cant hold me, take care of the kids and the grandkids" and she slipped away. A followup the next day is the man had to walk from New Orleans, Louisiana, to Gulfport, Mississippi to identify his wifes body.
He just walked up behind the news reporter and started telling his story, by the end even the reporter was in tears after hearing it.
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posted September 02, 2005 06:44 PM |
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This just in
-- at least on my e-mail system. Apparently it's a NOVA program aired in January which predicted this very event. I have not had time to watch it as I am getting ready to split town for a vacation the next several days.
See you all when I get back.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/sciencenow/3204/02.html
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posted September 02, 2005 06:45 PM |
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I agree with you Peacemaker. you truely are a "Peace maker"
Let's not forget that the only information I have comes from CNN and others (Like CBC) that take their sources from CNN. And, the images we are getting from CNN shows mostly black people and from what I saw in the sept 11th tragedy, it was white people that had a good enough job to happen to be at the WTC. In the Sept 11 attack, it might of been a mix, but now in New Orléans, like PM said, it is almost only African Americans. That is the main difference - There is no white people there, well, on TV anyways.
But you are right Consis that it is not my place to accuse your country... I was mad at how Bush is reacting, flying over the damage in AirForce 1 and not asking for international help while Canada is standing still. So, if you would let me, I would take back the judgement I have made, but would like to underline that it's a hell of a coïncidence. I should not judge, you are right, but I can have my opinions.
And finally peacemaker is right aswell in saying that we are both looking at this with the same disgust. I would be happy to know that this was not intentionnal and that I (along with many others) am wrong in my assessment.
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posted September 02, 2005 06:50 PM |
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The mind of a child on the subject of the Hurricane
Oh -- one more thing before I leave.
On the way to school yesterday, my nine year old son and I were listening to the car radio about the hurricaine.
"Mommy," he said, "I wish I had a magic ring with magic words on it so that if I read them it would make the hurricaine go backwards, and all the water would go away back into the lake and the houses would be dry and everybody would be alright and there would be peace in the world."
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posted September 02, 2005 06:53 PM |
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New Orleans is mainly a black city, but there are whites. And i don't think its a race issue, but more of an ego issue. Bush has too much pride to accept aid from other countries.
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posted September 02, 2005 06:54 PM |
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Edited By: Jebus on 2 Sep 2005
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here's something to think about....
if these 2 incidents would have happened in another country, the issue of race would have most likely come up (considering the obvious "visible" differences) anyhow. So to take such a comment towards a country's governmet personally, imo, is an overeaction. (unless of course YOU are that governing body)
It's easy to ask "where's your proof that my government is racist?" but where's YOUR proof that they're not.
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well said 2X.
(so anyone think that 2X is the cause of these disasters in the states?? im mean he WAS in/close to the path of the last 2!!)
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