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ComradeX
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Demands raising new Titan's HP
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posted March 17, 2006 12:23 PM |
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Well Sir William, I hope that you are right, and Blackies are going down, but we all may get smacked if the Angels are going to be the strongest again. But you know, the Angels should be strong to keep the Good VS. Evil theme going. Like I said in some other thread, the Angels and Devils should be closely matched, with a slight advantage to the Angels.
Any ways, I think it would be interesting, original, and just for the Titans to be the best (for ones in a life time!). And that's not just because I am a Titan lover.
The Titans are also devine, so theoreticaly, they are above both Angels and Devils. Also, Titans are not completely good nor bad. They are more nuetral, and it always takes a lot to make them take one side or another (only when it comes close to their lands they join the "good" coalition). I think that Titans should be "the judge" cause they are powerfull, devine in their own right, and not to compeled to the good nor evil side (again like with the Angels VS. Devils conflict good wins eventualy, the Titans join the forces of good at the end).
Being ranged, powerfull, and having the largest amount of HP (in most games...) whick makes them endurant (and bieng all that I had mentioned above about them) they are well suited for the role of "the judge" in the game, the force that helps the ancients balance the worlds.
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Hrushov17
Adventuring Hero
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posted March 17, 2006 06:35 PM |
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*sigh*
The titans aer craeted by mages...they are like golemns only a higher level therefore they are not the "judge" and teh dragons are gods in Heroes 5 the dragons craeted this new world and are being worshiped...
and I dunne the old good vs evil thing just doesn't work as good for the alians...u remember that don't u?
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Fortress_fan
Disgraceful
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posted March 17, 2006 07:53 PM |
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I think that the strongest creature should be: Titan
Wy? Because it should be more orginal, and not a copy of H3 or H4 statistics. Green dragons or devils coud also be strongest, but not spectral dragon, because they should beweaker than ordinary dragons (and have doubble grown rate)
I dont like that titans is there, I had wanted the dragon golem. I don't hate titans, I just tink that a dragon golem should be mutch cooler.
And taht wit Good/Bad/Neutral thing is dead in Heroes V due the limit of towns. It is only three good (Haven, Sylvan and Acardemy) and three bad (Inferno, Necropolis and Dungeon) It is STUPID! I liked all of the old neutral towns (Stronghold, Fortress, Conflux) and want them back. But in th Heroes expansions it seems like we just are going to get an orcish town (It should be Barbarians!) and possibly some new town, maby a ugly dwarf town or something like that. If extremeley many people want it, we may se a conflux, but I dont think so because Conflux has many enemies (Forge-fans, those who belived that conflux where owepovered) They dont understand how cool elementals is, and because of them we are NEVER going to se Conflux again. I have nothing against the mecanics in heroes, but it should be steam energy, whit primitive railways, Clocks (the knight is looking at his clock and are seeing that he is late to the battle  ) and possibly skyships.
As for Fortress, we are absolultely NOT going to see it again. Nival has putted the hydras to be slaves of the dark elves! Fortress cannot exist whitout hydras!
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william
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
LummoxLewis
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posted March 18, 2006 12:29 AM |
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Yes i agree, Titans should be the best, well i think that they are the best.
They are a really good and strong unit and they kick every other creatures puny ...
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MasterSandro
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posted March 18, 2006 08:20 AM |
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Actually, Titans are special here, since they are colossal golems "filled" with the spirit of a great hero. Still, not the father of the Gods like in the good old myth, still, greatness come to their names.
I would like that the Undead had the best unit tough... they always had to deal with the fact that they have the weakest creature, and they don't even have an noticable advantage (since H4, when there was no retaliation for most cases). Dracoliches would rule. It would be nice if the strongest creature of the Undead were the ultimately powerful dragons that like mages became liches to increase their power. But I guess it is just me...
BTW, the hydras never were masters of the Fortress, just tamed by the lizardman and gnolls.
One last thought, I think that there is a good/evil/neutral balance. There is the good vs evil of the Haven vs the Inferno, showing the classical sight. The Good vs Evil of Dark Elves vs Light Elves, showing diferent perspectives of good vs evil, and the Neutral vs Neutral of Academy vs Necropolis, since the academy didn't show themselves as particularly good, neither the necromancers showed themselves as particularly evil, both just seek for power.
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phoenix72
Hired Hero
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posted March 18, 2006 08:51 AM |
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strongest
heroes I : Dragon
Heroes II : Black dragon
Heroes III : Archangel
Armageddon blade : Azure dragon
Heroes IV : Black dragon
winds of war : Megadragon
gathering storm : Black dragon
Heroes V : I must play it
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ComradeX
Known Hero
Demands raising new Titan's HP
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posted March 18, 2006 03:30 PM |
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Titans might not be gods, but dispite the fact that they are "big golems" that are created by mages, this is only their "earthly" body. As said before, they are the spirits of great heroes, meaning they have plenty of combat experience of the past, much insight, wizdom and a lot of courage. Why isn't that enough to be the best? I think it's good enough, and it will be much more original then having Black Dragons as strongest creatures again. I think that having Black Dragons as strongest is boring. We have already had them as strongest for 4 games and some expansions, and that is enough. It could be nice to have the Emerald Dragons VS. Black Dragons "little conflict" in the game like the one of the Angels and Devils (we know of the war between the Nature Elves and the Dark Elves), with the Emerald Dragons having the upper hand, slightly (a difference of a point or two at stats, more speed, a wee bit more damage...).
I think it can be original having the Necro Dragon as strongest, cause' the Necros have been suffering from the "justice" done to them by 3DO for some time.
Anyway, the Academy VS. Necropolis conflict is nice and more original then the classic Angels VS. Devils conflict and the Elf faction conflict, and that's because both the Academy and Necropolis are more or less nuetral, only joining the big wars when they come close to them.
I suppose it would be good for one of these two more nuetral towns, the Academy or the Necropolis, to have the strongest creature.
By the way, why did Nival give the ranged creatures such a little number of shots? most ranged creatures fair better in ranged combat then in melee combat and have less speed then walkers \ flyers, thus forcing them to join the melee combat will just make them very inefficient, and will just cancel their role in battle.
What's up with that?!
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Hrushov17
Adventuring Hero
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posted March 18, 2006 04:04 PM |
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well comrade x...the battlefields are smaller than in previous heroes games so the ranged creatures are meant to get into the meele combat faster thus they don't need a lot of shots ...that's what's up..I think 
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Miru
Supreme Hero
A leaf in the river of time
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posted March 18, 2006 08:32 PM |
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Lets look at the subject that way: dragons have more HP and are faster, but Titans are ranged, don't have melle penalty, do A LOT of damage and have better growth rate.
they all grow 1.
And if we were to redo that Dragon vs Titan from HoMM2, wraith (2nd strongest in necro town) would win because of its "harm touch" ability (kills top creature of stack)! Not to mention if you saw my growth charts*, you'd know all of the lvl 6s are the best, better than lvl 7s.
*= http://www.heroesofmightandmagic.com/heroes5/academy_growth_chart.shtml
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Gary_M
Tavern Dweller
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posted March 25, 2006 08:53 PM |
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I think we can't say, that any of the creatures is the strongest, because we nearly newer use only one tipe of creature in a combat. We use dreatures in teams. Every creature has stenghts, and weaknesses too.
The black dragon is well resisted against spells, but with rangedunits (eg. marksmen) we can kill them easy, or with a no retaliation unit(eg. cerbery) they has problems too.
You can argue with me, but this is my opinion.
Hell will rule!
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cucusan
Tavern Dweller
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posted March 26, 2006 11:48 AM |
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strongest creatures - combat face to face ; one to one
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Sorry for interrupting, but is it just me or it is like that everywhere. When i played the dungeon creatures level from levels 1, 2, 3, 7 were allright but level 4 was Matron,5 Rider, 6 Hydra. Could you tell me whats on yours computers? And btw i think that Black Dragons are the best 
I agree with Gary_M. In my opinion: It's important to exist a equal chance for every race to win the battle. This is more important to game than are the strongest creature. The differences should be the good player or the bad player.
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ComradeX
Known Hero
Demands raising new Titan's HP
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posted March 26, 2006 10:01 PM |
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As we can see from the wonderfull town analysis tables (thak you Miru thank you The Hydra) again there is the Titan VS. Black Dragon conflict. Both have the best max. damage (BD has better min. damage by 5) Great skills (both have 30 30) and the BD has +25 HP. But it all depends on who attacks first. I depends on the size of the battlefield. Both creatures can kill each other with 4 blows (avarege damage is 55 for Titan and 57.5 for BD) so who ever strikes first wins. Tha is the beauty of it, that no one is definitly the strongest like BD was in HOMM IV.
5 of the 6 7th level creatures can compite for the title "best". In the right conditions the Archangel, the ArchDevil, The Gold Dragon, the Black Dragn and the Titan can beat each other. I think it is well balanced (but still Titans should have largest HP, it is traditional...)
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Dungeonian
Adventuring Hero
Supreme matriarch
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posted March 27, 2006 12:38 PM |
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I think we shoudn't ignore other creatures of current fraction and spells during calculation what unit is stronger . For example , lets see the titans vs. black dragons match . There are 6 other units in each fraction with their abilities , and I'm sure that titans isn't the best target for black dragons first strike - the genies and archmagi is better , cause those sink , but fast and big damage dealing units should be killed earlier with huge bonus caused dragons attack in comparision with genie and magi defence . Against titans I can advise use your grim raiders , they can completely ignore titan's defence when attacking with 5 charge bonus ( Defence would be =0 in this case ) or casting a destructive spells on them .
The wizard , however , is forced to strike black dragons everytime he/she can by any unit because they are immune to spells . I think , this is a huge advantage for warlocks , they are free in their strategy , but their opponents are chained by nesessery to strike black dragons by all their units .
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Evil_Warrior
Famous Hero
Duke of Demon
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posted March 27, 2006 01:10 PM |
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Have you all forgotten the Arch Devils? They are the only creatures that can SUMMON other creatures. And the creatures summoned is BALORS! Level 6 creatures with dangerous spellcasting ability and Vorpal Sword! Creatures that stronger than CHAMPION!
It means that we actually fight against 2 stack of high level creatures. So it is very possible to Arch Devils to defeat Titans, Archangels, or even Black Dragons.
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ComradeX
Known Hero
Demands raising new Titan's HP
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posted March 27, 2006 06:08 PM |
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Well, if you put it that way Evil Warrior you are right.
The Arch Devil alone can be defeated by other 7th level creatures (Titan, Black Dragon, Archangel) but if they summon a Balor 1st turn they win, as no creature can beat a Balor and an Archdevil on its own.
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Evil_Warrior
Famous Hero
Duke of Demon
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posted March 29, 2006 07:27 PM |
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Well, ComradeX, Sometimes in battle, the better creature stats doesn't always make the creature wins against other creature with worse stats.
Archangels have worse stats than Black Dragons. But, as I have posted in other thread, if The Archangels splitted in 2 or more stacks, They can rescurrect each other and it gives more than 60 chance to Archangels to defeat the Black Dragons.
So, don't only see the creature stats (ATK, DEF, DMG, HP, or Speed). But pay more attention to their special abilities.
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ComradeX
Known Hero
Demands raising new Titan's HP
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posted March 31, 2006 05:02 PM |
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Yes Evil Warrior, that is wxactly what I meant to say.
Not only stats determine how good the creature is, and the Archdevil is a good example of that...
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drogoth
Tavern Dweller
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posted April 07, 2006 12:49 AM |
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I agree with Evilwarrior. If you take all the devil's abilities into account then it is the strongest. If say: you have a stack of 20 devil's fighting 20 gold dragons f.ex and the devils summon 20 balors (1 devil summons one balor right?)before the dragons reach them then the fight is very one-sided as Balor's are a powerful unit on their own. The high cost of the archdevil can also indicate its potential. I have not played the beta so feel free to correct me if I'm wrong
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Hrushov17
Adventuring Hero
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posted April 07, 2006 04:50 AM |
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this is really debatable since there are other things such as maic persent in the game...and I remember some1 mentioning that there is something called the elemental chain, I'mnot sure how that woks but it does increase the dmg by a lot so if the blackies use the elemental chain then they will have the highest dmg...but then again the summoning ability of the devil comes along, teh ressurection of teh angel, the doudging ability of the shadow dragon and initiative of the gold dragon and the ranged ability for teh titans...so it does depend on how u use them
(but one on one without summoning i think the black dragon would win )
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Lich_King
Honorable
Supreme Hero
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posted April 07, 2006 12:03 PM |
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It was supposed from the beggining, that the strongest creature there can be is Black Dragon, if you would put one on one with any other creature, Black Dragon would surely win.
Note that with the balancing it might be impossible for 1 angel to resurrect other, or it might resurrect the other one with not much of hit points. And Angel is definately too weak to beat Black Dragon one on one, as the stats are pretty inferior.
Titans are strong for their ranged and lightning bolt ability (yes, they can summon lightning bolts at no cost and when they're low in numbers this comes better than ranged attack since it deals more damage), but dragon has same initiative and it can wait and try flying to Titan in 2 turns taking less damage since there is ranged penalty for distance, at melee they are not so very great, moreover lightning spell cannot harm dragon, he's immune to it.
Specter Dragons comes in better numbers than ANY of the level 7s, but their incorporeal ability works rarely, in fact it's very rare and I saw it 3 times perhaps. They are not really sturdy and 1 on 1 it will surely fall to Black Dragon.
Archdevils are not really tough at defense, in fact they die pretty fast, and the Summon Pit Lord ability is not really working from the beggining of the combat, what I mean is that it becomes available after some rounds pass, and I'm not sure that 1 Archdevil can summon anything at all... Perhaps they changed it in final...
Emerald Dragon could compete, since it's the unit (besides the phoenix) which can fly over the field in one turn and has high initiative (and he can strike Black Dragon faster), but if you have spellcaster or hero around, magic vulnerability of Emerald Dragon (it's only immune to Earth based spells, such as Plague, Stone Spikes or Implosion) wouldn't help it. However one on one it would most porlly come close to defeating Black Dragon.
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