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ComradeX
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posted April 07, 2006 06:56 PM |
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Well, Lich King is (as in most cases) right.
The game has a nasty tradition of making the Black Dragon the strongest unit. But in this game the tie is close, may be even as close as in HOMM II & III (Black Dragon vs. Titan, not counting the Archangel in HOMM III).
Let's pit them against each other!:
Black Dragon vs...
1)Titan (now this is a tradition as well...) -
Black Dragon has a bit more damage (average of 2.5 points more then Titan), same skills and 25more HP. The 25 more HP wins the day for the Dragon, by one move I suppose (1 more strike and the Titan would win...). Unfair IMO, but very close.
2)Archangel - Both have same HP, Archangel has higher skills (by 1 point each), but is iferior in damage. The Archangel's damage is a set 45. The Black Dragon's MINIMAL damage is 45 (let's say it would be 42.5 when striking Archangel because of 31 defense skill). So Black Dragon wins here easily.
3)Archdevil - Has lesser skills and less damage. May win if summons Balor on 3rd or 4th round, as Balor has good skills and plenty of HP for it's level. But as Lich King said, it will die before summoning (how sad... what a waste... hope the'l change it in the final game...)
4)Emerald Dragon - Faster, so can strike first. Has 31 attack, (Black Dragon has 30), but has 27 defense, (Black Dragon has 30 as well), and has maximum damage of 57, meaning that the damage dealt will not be enough. Loses for shore.
5)Spectral Dragon - may be save by Incorporeal ability, but again, as mentioned by Lich King, it doesn't come into play much, so can't be taken seriously. All stats are much lower (that's why Spectral Dragon has a 50% more growth rate), so it falls quckly.
As we can see, for now (and propobly at the final game), the Black Dragon remains the strongest, although there is some balance here.
Dragon lovers rejoice!
As for all others, those who are bored and frustrated by this tradition, we got screwed up again, so let's wait in hope for a change in HOMM VI (when it will be anounced I will write a letter to Nival asking to make somebody else, preferably the Titan, the strongest creature).
But for now, let's just wait for HOMM V to come out and enjoy it!
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Evil_Warrior
Famous Hero
Duke of Demon
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posted April 08, 2006 10:21 AM |
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Titans are strong for their ranged and lightning bolt ability (yes, they can summon lightning bolts at no cost and when they're low in numbers this comes better than ranged attack since it deals more damage), but dragon has same initiative and it can wait and try flying to Titan in 2 turns taking less damage since there is ranged penalty for distance, at melee they are not so very great, moreover lightning spell cannot harm dragon, he's immune to it.
Specter Dragons comes in better numbers than ANY of the level 7s, but their incorporeal ability works rarely, in fact it's very rare and I saw it 3 times perhaps. They are not really sturdy and 1 on 1 it will surely fall to Black Dragon.
Maybe you're right in those two. But....
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Archdevils are not really tough at defense, in fact they die pretty fast, and the Summon Pit Lord ability is not really working from the beggining of the combat, what I mean is that it becomes available after some rounds pass, and I'm not sure that 1 Archdevil can summon anything at all... Perhaps they changed it in final...
The Summon Balors ability will reduce the Blackies health further. So, the Blackie health will be reduced by ArchDevil's attack plus by Balors. While the ArchD's only reduced by Blacky's damage.
About the Archangel, just imagine (or try) that 10 Blackies (doesn't matter whether they are in one stack or not) vs 10 Archangels divided into two stacks in same number. I'm sure the Archangels have more chance to win.
Evil_Warrior
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Lich_King
Honorable
Supreme Hero
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posted April 08, 2006 11:51 AM |
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The Summon Balors ability will reduce the Blackies health further. So, the Blackie health will be reduced by ArchDevil's attack plus by Balors. While the ArchD's only reduced by Blacky's damage. One point more, the Balors can increase atk of ArchD's by cast Bloodlust.
As I told before IF archdevil will ever get a chance to summon anything at all, since the ability is not instant.
Also Pit Lords don't cast Bloodlust, they cast Disrupting Ray, Meteor Shower and Fireball, which has no effect on Black Dragons.
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Evil_Warrior
Famous Hero
Duke of Demon
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posted April 08, 2006 12:07 PM |
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Oh yeah! I'm sorry bout the Bloodlust.
But of course the ArchD have chance to summon Balor. One attack of Blackie will not kill it.
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ComradeX
Known Hero
Demands raising new Titan's HP
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posted April 08, 2006 04:45 PM |
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Do any of you know how many turn does it take the Archdevil to be able to summon the Balor? If it can do that by less then 5 turns I think it would win (it also moves first), couse the Balor is prety strong, even without the magic.
Let's pit them against each other, ones without summon (1), and ones with summon (2), with 2 options (I) & (II).
1) The Archdevil has an average damage of 46. Black Dragon has average damage of 57.5 but is increased to 59 by attack which is higher by 2 points then Archdevil's defence.
Archdevil strikes 1st:46 damage, BD 154 HP
BD retaliates: 59 damage, Archdevel 140 HP
BD strikes: 59 damage, Archdevil 81 HP
Archdevil retaliates: 46 damage, BD 118
Archdevil strikes: 46 damage, BD 84 HP
BD retaliates: 59 damage, Archdevil 22 HP
BD strikes: 59 damage, Archdevil is dead.
2) Same stats and skills, assuming Archdevil summons Balor on 3rd turn.
Archdevil strikes 1st:46 damage, BD 154 HP
BD retaliates: 59 damage, Archdevel 140 HP
BD strikes: 59 damage, Archdevil 81 HP
Archdevil retaliates: 46 damage, BD 118
Archdevil summons Balor, Balor attacks (damage is 18 due to BD's higher skills) 18 damage, BD 100 HP.
BD retaliates against Balor, 62 damage (due to higher skills) , Balor 48 HP.
*(I)BD strikes Archdevil: 59 damage, Archdevil 22 HP
Archdevil retaliates: 46 damage, BD 54 HP
Balor strikes: 18 damage, BD 36 HP
BD retaliates: 62 damage, Balor is dead.
Archdevil strikes: 46 damage, BD is dead.
*(II)BD strikes Balor: 62 damage, Balor is dead.
Archdevil strikes BD: 46 damage, BD 54 HP
BD retaliates: 59 damage, Archdevil 22 HP
BD strikes Archdevil: 59 damage, Archdevil is dead
So, as we can see, it is possible for the Archdevil, together with the Balor to defeat the Black Dragon.
It all depends on when can the Archdevil summon the Balor.
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The frozen land of red Titans wishes you luck in your journeys
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Hrushov17
Adventuring Hero
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posted April 08, 2006 06:16 PM |
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if the archD does sumon the balor and the balck dragon kills the archD after that...and let's say somehow the balor finishes the black dragon off then what happens?? since balor is a summoned creature.. :S
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Lich_King
Honorable
Supreme Hero
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posted April 08, 2006 06:18 PM |
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Everyone died 
Heroes should dissapear, like in all previous games.
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Hrushov17
Adventuring Hero
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posted April 08, 2006 07:44 PM |
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so does that make them equally strong  , and btw 10arch angels vs 10 dlack dragons...even though angels can ressuruct I still doubt that they'll win
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ComradeX
Known Hero
Demands raising new Titan's HP
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posted April 08, 2006 09:23 PM |
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When talking about 10 on 10 or 20 on 20 it's a whole different story.
In mass, some special abilities, like the resurrection or summon Balor, can give you more then just brote strength.
The BD may win in 1 on 1 battles, but in stack it may lose some.
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The frozen land of red Titans wishes you luck in your journeys
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Hrushov17
Adventuring Hero
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posted April 08, 2006 09:27 PM |
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k there we finally got u to agree that one on one BD will win there it is the strongest
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Fofa
Famous Hero
Famous? Me?!
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posted April 08, 2006 10:19 PM |
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Aren't the stats in the beta version and are likely to change in the final product? (That might apply with shots, I don't know.)
They might also try to get the Incorpreal ability to work more often in the final game as well, I'm thinking.
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Hrushov17
Adventuring Hero
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posted April 22, 2006 06:05 AM |
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ok I think Black dragon will be the strongest cause the Shadow Dragon the unupgraded had 200hp when I fought it in the demo so I think they prob made the blackies even stronger now 
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