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Kongo_Team
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posted February 10, 2006 03:52 PM |
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About confusedspirit & ICTC
I think that almost all of us have noticed rates of this user. At the beginnig I thought that his treatment could be good until I have personally confront with his style of rating.
In case of EXTREMALLY RANDOM RATES of his I decided to send him an IM to ask about his ideas & intencions.
(Replie is about Hollow faction)
Here are some quotes from his reply (and comments I would intend to send him). I think that they clearly prove that this user DIDN'T EVEN READ proposals which he rated (at first day he has rated 10 towns at about 24 hours)
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You turned dwarves in to highland trappers?
First of all Highland Trappers are 100% humans (haven't you seen the picture?), Dwarves are 100% miners/artisans.
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The history will not fit unless they are making a new game based on your story.
Our priority was to fit Ashan as much as possible. The history mixes but DO NOT INTERFERE official timeline.
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I mean why not just pick a nonexistant dragon instead of the air dragon.
Maybe I am wrong but Seven Dragons (YSD- Years of the Seven Dragons) mean seven dragons not eight, i was never good in maths. Don't you noticed that all the dragons (except 7th) perfectly infiltrate each other (for examaple: Order&Chaos), maybe You also didn't noticed one EXTREMALLY IMPORTANT FACT, that Sylath isn't currently worshiped by any homm5 faction and If anyone sugest that he is reserved for orc, Free Citis or something I will reply: what for is this contest? Even for Nival it will be better to create dawrves with sylath and orc didn't worshipping anyone than reversed.
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The Free cities of the East I think would better to keep and leave it alone.
Our town is not Free Cities of the East and have nothing to do with it! Highland Trappers are just spinoff of the Falcon empire exiles. I'm wondering how could you even think that we have used it... didn't You read our description or sth?
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You took dwarves and mixed them with highlanders then added kobolds and gnomes. I thought the race mix was horribly, but that is my opinion not everyone's opinion.
Thats your opinion but i don't know what you have against those alliance. All of them are described and reasoned and fit (in my opinion) dwarfish lifestyle. Anyway I don't know how do you imagine Dwarves only town - without any mixes.
After all I would suggest you reading more carefully. Rating less than 10 towns in 24hours as you did.
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I belive that I have shown a great example of confusedspirit rating style. In my opinion users, which are depending only on the UNITS NAMES AND GENERAL DESCRIPTION are unfair and this user has proveed in his reply that its the kind of rating that he prefers.
I'm realy sorry to make such an unpleasantness thread and I belive thath it would be a last one like this. I appellant to cancel rates of this user.
if You have the same opinion please mark it here.
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frakel
Adventuring Hero
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posted February 10, 2006 04:16 PM |
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Edited by frakel on 10 Feb 2006
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Sorry Kongo - I do not agree that the ratings of a specific user should be made void. This is one of the risks you take when you participate in a competition where everybody can post a vote.
I understand that you are not pleased with superficial reviews and ratings - I don´t think any who has put a lot of work into their town are - but this is just the way it is. And we must remember that there are really many towns to rate. It is understandable if people get a little rushed. As I see it, the only way to counter superficial ratings are to make as many good ratings of your own as you can manage. If everybody does this, the problem will be less severe.
And in the end you can seek comfort in the thought, that the rating of the ´official´ judges count 50%. And I think we can assume that they are gonna take the necessary amount of time to make a detailed review.
Best of luck to all!
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Kongo_Team
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posted February 10, 2006 04:34 PM |
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Ofcourse Frakel You are right. I allways appreciate Your opinions (like the "mood chamging" concept on ofical forum and other....)
But I have to remind that this topic isn't only about our town. We are speaking in the name of all contestants who could feel cheated, but WE are those who stick up for it and risk our name so please appreciate it.
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frakel
Adventuring Hero
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posted February 10, 2006 04:48 PM |
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Edited by frakel on 10 Feb 2006
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@ Kongo. I understand that you are bringing this up in the best interest of the entire competition - and that this is not only about your own town. Its also very nice of you to be the one who ´dare´ to bring an unpleasant topic up. I appreciate it! (thumbs)
I just don´t agree with your view that the ratings of a specific user should be made void. Thats all.
The ratings of other reviewers and the judges should hopefully balance this out. If many people make serious reviews of a town the impact of a single review diminishes.
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confusedspirit
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posted February 10, 2006 05:53 PM |
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Kongo_Team part of message sent to me.
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Iwas working hard not to disturbe the balanc of the world, and I dfinitely done it. this race is as neutral as it was posible
1 fo history fitting the gam!? should I laught.. OK, just tell me why? I just want you, to tel me why?
...frankly speaking I'm thinking that you are just traing to bit up the factions that have "to high" ranks! anyway I'm really wondering, have you ever read all that I have written?
To my quote 1. No about the dwarves I was referring to you mixing them with highland trappers
To my quote 2. And no I don't think your idea will work.
to my quote 3. This is expansion you can add dragons I would hope.
To my quote 4. The Free Cities of the East worship the air dragon. I was referring to the fact you took the dragon of air sylath. I would rather there be a Free Cities of the East faction instead of yours if you can't figure that out.
To my quote 5. Like I said you ruined any of the dwarves to me. Why don't we just have the woodcutting dwarves of before?
And I took time to read before. And I disliked your proposal. So should I not rate it then I am taking away my rating. You will not have to whine anymore. Sorry Kongo youdefinitely know what is best. So why bother asking anyone else? I hope you are happy now. Sorry to everyone I will not give my opinion anymore.
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BoogieMan
Famous Hero
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posted February 10, 2006 06:00 PM |
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The problem is we're not seeing as many reviews as I would have expected. This seems to be more Val's contest than HC's contest. We are basically rating amongst ourselves, and even so, some competitors aren't rating at all or are rating very little. If confused_spirit takes all towns through his rating gauntlet (i don't think he's voting randomly, all his scores are low; maybe he has some other criteria than us), that's fine with me. But if he rates a limited number of towns, some of those towns may be seriously disadvantaged (towns with very few reviews).
A solution, however, is hard to find. As frakel said, "This is one of the risks you take when you participate in a competition where everybody can post a vote". You can only appeal to the voter's fair play.
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confusedspirit
Tavern Dweller
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posted February 10, 2006 06:17 PM |
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I selected the threads that I thought were most popular because they had the most pages. I thought I should begin rating those first. If it makes everyone happy remove my ratings. I don't have hours upon hours to go through every town, but over time I could. So I will not rate. Disqualify all of my ratings.
And I far as I see it. Everyone looks to been pretty selective and not being fair overall. I mean one person I think only rated once gave a 10, and disappeared. Uh has Kongo not been intentionally selecting certain proposals. I don't know. I don't have all day to check, but many people appear to be. Mainly I think because the participants are the only ones rating really. There needs to be more outside people. But this is enough for you to not see me again.
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BoogieMan
Famous Hero
The John of Spades
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posted February 10, 2006 07:02 PM |
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I don't mean to discredit or point you out. As I said, there is a general problem with people not rating but a small number of towns. You were just an example of what happens when only some towns are picked to be rated (and the scores highly contrast the general trend). That's what I was saying that it would be beneficial for the competition as a whole if you reviwed the majority of towns.
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neko
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posted February 10, 2006 07:26 PM |
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Edited by neko on 10 Feb 2006
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he would probably have, if not for this thread.
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BoogieMan
Famous Hero
The John of Spades
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posted February 10, 2006 07:36 PM |
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That's what I would have expected too, I didn't mean to make it sound otherwise. And there's nothing stopping him too keep by his rating criteria and keep on rating as many towns, despite participants disagreeing with his ratings. I'm sure that every reviewer has made at least a few people unhappy about their score.
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phoenixzs
Adventuring Hero
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posted February 10, 2006 07:41 PM |
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okay ý dont agree with confusedsipirit's total points,ý find them too low but...
He has the right to vote anything he wants.At least he is trying to vote,some others dont even do that.Some people think they are king in the high castle while everybody has to vote his castle he doesnt hast to read all the other garbage.After all the winner is decided from the begining.
I for myself,will try to vote all valid entries because ý respect all others work,maybe confusedsipirt does it the same but doesnt like our castles at all.
The problem is there so little votes that the total points get effected too much of his votes.But this is not his fault if enough people vote and the castle is good it will still shine.Ofcourse some of us who have high votes(not blaming any one by the way) are less efected with the fact.
But what ý blame is very high voters not low voters.How can one give 10 points to all statistics?The fact that you will find your dream castle in another writers proposal is like the chance to get stuck by a meteorite.Furthermore those high voters only vote popular posts and others get nothing.With that point of views the others should get at least 8 or 9 for their ideas which would balance the fact.
So to all contestans lease vote all castles not the popularones or the ones you like.
Second to all voters whether or not you give high grades low grades is not important,its important to vote as many as you can.
And for confused sipirit,please vote as many as you can with the same altituede.As long as they are not illogical to some point, ý will except anything you give.
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BoogieMan
Famous Hero
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posted February 10, 2006 07:53 PM |
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He has the right to vote anything he wants.At least he is trying to vote,some others dont even do that.Some people think they are king in the high castle while everybody has to vote his castle he doesnt hast to read all the other garbage.After all the winner is decided from the begining.
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But what I blame is very high voters not low voters.How can one give 10 points to all statistics?
Right, that's the "friend votes" I was talking about in another thread, people who vote only a a few towns because they're friends with the proposers. And that's why I'm saying that fair-play and respect are the only thing that can make this contest viable.
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Kongo_Team
Tavern Dweller
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posted February 10, 2006 08:24 PM |
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First of all confusedspirit gave many reasons to think he didn't read threads properly, especially when his 1/5 rate contrasted so much with 5/5 the following rater gave for compatibility with Ashan. His reply (quoted here) just finally confirmed my suspicions. That's All about my suspicions - we can end it here.
I didn't ment to just prohibite confusedspirit to vote but as Boogieman said:
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But if he rates a limited number of towns, some of those towns may be seriously disadvantaged (towns with very few reviews).
Unfortunetly the average score has stabilized at about 30/35 so it probably be better not to lean out and think about fact that low rates could discredit some towns.
And finally most important think I've got to say, confusedspirit I didn't mean You to remove only rate of Hollow. I belive that it is even more unfair. I would be glad seeing You SERIOUSLY reviewing your already given rates : \
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one person I think only rated once gave a 10, and disappeared
You are right I noticed this problem too : (
I sugest to IM administrator about those cases, I hope It will make anything to increase contest fairplay.
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gwyndolium
Known Hero
Ancient citizen
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posted February 10, 2006 09:17 PM |
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People should all give comments why they picked that number.. Just to make it that they spend some time rating it and not just posted some.
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Kongo_Team
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posted February 10, 2006 09:28 PM |
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People should all give comments why they picked that number.. Just to make it that they spend some time rating it and not just posted some.
I COMPLETLY AGREE.
...especialy when they give a rate in scale 1 to 10.
Almost allways rates like that have no comments at all.
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kookastar
Honorable
Legendary Hero
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posted February 10, 2006 11:32 PM |
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It really does take ALOT of time to rate the towns. Luckily I followed most closely as they were submitted so it wasn't so hard to re-read them. To give detailed comments for every town is just too time consuming. The use of the 5 point system (/50) should give an indication. I did try to give clarification if I rated someone less than 5 for a section.
Anyway, I think maybe more people will rate now it is the weekend and they have more time. Part of the competition is letting anyone have their say as annoying as this is. It is not only confused spirit that has misread towns so far.
Unfortunately we are NOT alowed to comment about this, or clarify or justify these misunderstandings. I would personally love to respond to comments made about my town but this is against the rules and the spirit of the contest.
I hate to say it - but I think this post seems like a way to reply to your ratings.
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Valeriy
Mage of the Land
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posted February 11, 2006 12:50 AM |
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concerns about confusedspirit have been reported to me prior to the opening of this thread. I am aware of the issue and will make a decision about his ratings at the end of the visitor rating phase.
Someone registering to rate one town very highly or very poorly is also suspicious.
Report all such cases to me using HC Messenger - "Send Instant Message" just below this post. Whether any ratings get disqualified will be announced at the end of the visitor rating phase.
kookastar has pointed out correctly that this thread is a way to reply to your ratings, which shouldn't be happening. Instead, report any obviously unjust ratings to me directly.
Contestants put a lot of great effort into their entries, and into their ratings, and we have great prizes to give away, so rest assured that I am taking fairness of the contest seriously.
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Valeriy
Mage of the Land
Naughty, Naughty Valeriy
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posted February 16, 2006 01:38 AM |
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All posts of confusedspirit come from one IP address.
All posts of godstuffus come from one IP address.
confusedspirit and godstuffus have the same IP address.
confusedspirit hasn't rated any of godstuffus 5 ICTC entries.
confusedspirit gave several other ICTC entries surprisingly low ratings.
My logical conclusion is to disqualify confusedspirit's ratings and godstuffus's ICTC entries.
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phoenixzs
Adventuring Hero
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posted February 16, 2006 11:45 AM |
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Are you sure about that?I hope ýts not true
okay ý am not going to defend what he has done if he has done it but here are my personal thoughts.
-First ý wonder which ratings he gave are real.Maybe the confused siprit is the real character and would wanted to gave low grades.But he knew that would back fire on his proposals and created the confused sipirit.Its realy hard to critise when people dont think the way you thin.you could be soon public enemy.I have done it to some point in my ratings I have called some castles unbalanced while some gave them 10 for it or didnt like the creature line up and gave low grades.But the point is we should take risks having backffires for the sake of honesty and fair play (if the thing is true of course)
-So ý say let Confusedsipirit or Godstuffs explain the case.If we find it convincing everything is perfect if not we give him a chance to apologise and explain everything.Personally ý dont care if his ICTC entries stay or dont stay in that case.But ý would like to really know what his real thoughts on the castles are was confused sipirit right or the godstuffs?
Anyway at least he has find some way to express his "dark" side  I hate friend point givers or people giving high notes just because they want high points in return more.
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godstuffus
Hired Hero
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posted February 16, 2006 12:08 PM |
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He is my brother. I did not think him rating my proposals was a good idea because he even gave me some ideas. I do not like my proposals disqualified, but if you want to in fairness I have no power over it.
No I am not schizophrenic. What was that? No mother not again. No why won't the voices go away. No I didn't. Who was that? No not again. Who am I? Smeagol likes hobbits.
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