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Aculias
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Pretty Boy Angel Sacraficer
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posted February 20, 2006 03:56 PM |
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I remember you very well Testicule (Tentucule)& i REMEMBER ALL THE CRAP YOU SAID.
Dang caps ;*)
Only cheaters blow steam when caught & you were caught.
Maybe you gotten older & you want to play fair but I hate cheaters & especially ones who talks down to my friends & with the most useless obscene & offensive language.
I disagree Rob I wouldnt let this guy back in.Gaby & all them was not here long enough to actually know what hes done.
If he has changed then & if you feel he deserves a second chance then you know i support it.
EDIT:Fixed spelling 
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cosmin
Known Hero
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posted February 20, 2006 11:26 PM |
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Hi Aculias
I don't defend Tentacule but as far as it showes in Hos he didn't cheated at al...
Here what's in Hos about Tentacule:
Poor attitude and sportsmanship both in the zone and out. Refusal to report loss legitimate loss.
So people might change in time...
cos
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angelito
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
proud father of a princess
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posted February 20, 2006 11:52 PM |
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I have to agree with cosmin here. Tentacule NEVER cheated (as far as i know), he just got pissed (as he explains here) and talked **** to some other guys like Frank and Tew. I talked to Tentacule many times and have to admit he is a nice person, he only has some "strange" tactic sometimes to win games (like trash talking during the game and such). I´m pretty sure he learned his lessons.
And Acu, no offense, but i don´t know why u have to step into every fight (issue) here. As far as i remember, u never played Tentacule (nor cosmin), so u are just a beholder. Everything u say is what u have heard or what u have seen written in the Zone....but nothing u were involved yourself. You think that´s fair?
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cosmin
Known Hero
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posted February 20, 2006 11:54 PM |
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Edited by cosmin on 20 Feb 2006
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sorry Angelito but i played tentacule... ask him;;
cos
i think i missunderstood ... of course i never played Aculias..
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Xarfax111
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
The last hero standing
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posted February 21, 2006 02:20 AM |
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....), so u are just a beholder. Quote:
Hes upgraded, hes an "evil eye"
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Aculias
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Pretty Boy Angel Sacraficer
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posted February 21, 2006 04:15 AM |
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It's the same thang to me.
He didnt just not report 3-5 games etc.
He refused to report a whole bunch of them & as far as i am concerned thats almost just as bad.
He made it my business back at that time & I am just speaking out.
Has nothing about butting in I have history with that SOAB.
We had many flame wars.
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vesuvius
Hero of Order
Honor Above all Else
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posted February 21, 2006 07:28 AM |
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Well I wish lichking would post here; he had made the decision, from what I know that one way or another Obiwan was to be booted.
What I feel is that homm3 is too old, too corrupt, and too rule-based these days. I can't wait till homm5 clears all this up (I hope). I hope even more that they implement some of the homm4 advances in multi (like password protecting saves, etc).
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Tentacule
Tavern Dweller
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posted February 21, 2006 10:32 AM |
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Thank you guys for the support! And Aculias I don't remember playing with you ,and about unreported games was just the last game I played with Frank wich was unreported, enough for the council to ban me, knowing Frank was a honorable player.
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Aculias
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Pretty Boy Angel Sacraficer
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posted February 21, 2006 04:28 PM |
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No you did it with others, it was just never brought into review.
Well if you learned you lesson then sure I agree too.
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valkyrica
Supreme Hero
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posted February 22, 2006 07:46 PM |
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I remember you very well Testicule (Tentucule)
Good thing not many people know Romanian, calling someone that would make one buy a plane ticket and come kick your fruitcake butt 
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rychenroller
Promising
Supreme Hero
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posted February 22, 2006 09:39 PM |
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What I feel is that homm3 is too old, too corrupt, and too rule-based these days. I can't wait till homm5 clears all this up (I hope). I hope even more that they implement some of the homm4 advances in multi (like password protecting saves, etc).
Exactly, now lets move on.
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LichKing
Honorable
Known Hero
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posted February 23, 2006 05:28 PM |
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Your wish is my command
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Well I wish lichking would post here; he had made the decision, from what I know that one way or another Obiwan was to be booted..........
Sorry for taking so long. My work schedule is pretty chaotic and on the days I work (12 hr shifts + travel time) I pretty much only have time to take care of my kids, animals, and get some sleep. I'm off for a few days now, though
Anyway, YES. Obi is booted as you mentioned. I checked out those saves the day Angelito sent them to me and there's no possible way he could have amassed such an army without the aid of a trainer or hex editor. Additionally, we have his own admission.
I have just shut down both of his accounts. (The second account was created in 2005 and never used.) There is absolutely no acceptable reason to cheat in a game, whatever his rationale might be.
With regard to our earlier emails about this situation, I believe I even cc'd Angelito in my email to Ves about my intent to boot Obi. Not sure, tho......
I think we're missing a much bigger issue here, though. If I understand Obi's email correctly, then it is quite possible that several of our players are corrupt to the core.
I'm going to repost Obi's email here and place what I believe to be the relative issues to this entire thread in bold text. Of course, I do understand that this is coming from a known cheater and is highly suspect. Still, I feel that an accusation of this magnitude damn well deserves serious attention.
Here's the text......
With hope that you'll read !
Hi my name it's Gabriel and I wanna say a lot of stuff :
in toh I'm ObiWanKenobi
First I was stop for a 8 month two play heroes 3 when someone in spy coming with 30 Azure Dragons
.. and in last month in the last year my godson coming and show to me how it's possible to cheat without "write cheater at finish "
and I'll tell a few friends how!
and last night I was playing with cpcosminpopa to prove that!
I use this "power" all the time in this game ... and at finish he sad u cheating ( agree ) but because he insulting me .. I was watch at the game and I see something interesting :
in 116 he have to building citadel and castle and angel - 3 building in 2 days .. and he did it ! cool ... I'll attach few save for prove
... and second I've another save when he use fly it's easy to sight that from save ... and nr 3 he see all the time maps and he see all the time what opponent doing have more computers .. I know that because he tell me and I know a lot of games when he giving to me the save for "tell me what opponent doing or tell what it's in cube ... bla bla bla" for now I'll send to you that game when we was playing last night ! and I'll look through in my hhd for sending to you games when he using fly ! … if I will not find for prove you can tell he using wrong (bag ) generating maps …. ( hero with diplomacy and bla bla
I will write to you more .. like discussion about games and players from toh like : Gaby Stan , François Manseau Frank , Petrus , Gecho Stanislavov Pissarevsky The_Saint_BG and other ones …
sorry for my English
Pls write to me soon !
P.S.
Look in 125 at the blue : in two days u see he bit with only Gerwulf ( see experience at the hero ) , thunderbirds and golem and wights and minotaurs and take the cube and bit unicorns ,ok, try to move the hero (Gerwulf ) in 2 days only at minotaurs and unicorns
Best Regards,
Gabriel
Ok, there you have it. Maybe my understanding of what he is saying here is offbase, but I believe he's admitting to us how he helped other players in ToH to cheat.
This is what flipped me the hell out about his email. Anyone who knows me also knows that I believe HC issues should remain private matters because of the chaos they tend to create when they become public. Regardless, though, when Ves suggested we come forth with this info I thought it was an excellent idea.
Here's your chance to vent, guys..........If any of you have any sort of proof that might support Obi's email then let us know. If you wish to remain anonymous that's perfectly fine. This isn't a witch hunt by any means and none of the names mentioned are going to be persecuted without some seriously compelling evidence to support their removal.
I honestly hope that I misunderstood what Obi was saying. Even more so, though, I hope that if I did understand him correctly the accusations he is making prove to be totally unfounded. I had a lot of faith in several of the names he's mentioned............
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GabyStan
Known Hero
Seeking Wisdom
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posted February 23, 2006 06:49 PM |
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LOL
LichKing, you surely didn't understand right Obi, my namesake (I'm also Gabriel, obviously). He said (quote): "I will write to you more .. like discussion about games and players from toh like : Gaby Stan , François Manseau Frank , Petrus , Gecho Stanislavov Pissarevsky The_Saint_BG and other ones … " (end quote). I underlined the word discussion for he was referring to that, not to games, because I NEVER played a single game with Obi. I mentioned that before, and I'm sure he will agree with me when/if he comes to post here again. I have no idea about the other players, but I strongly suspect he was also talking about discussions he had with those veteran players. I personally never talked him about cheaters/cheating, so I have no idea what proof can be brought here from our e-mails or Yahoo! Messenger chat. The only thing I can think of is the fact Cpcos has told Obi I cheated (dunno what way) against him when I won in the only game I played against Cpcos for a tournament so far. Of course Cpcos could tell you he was wrong there, IF he wants to. But, for some reason, I sadly say I cannot be 100% he will.
I can't wait to see what turns this thread could take...
Edit: After talking to Cpcos he told me he didn't say about me cheating to Obi at all (he explained if he'd smelled something, he would not have made the report in the first place), so Obi must have made up those words or misrepresented what Cpcos told him to make fun of me or something. And Obi is insisting his saves with Cpcos are OK, but has no time to test with me saves made on the opponent's turn. He's funny though, too bad he's not eligible as a Jedi Master.
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cosmin
Known Hero
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posted February 24, 2006 06:17 AM |
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He said there:
"And nr 3 he see all the time maps and he see all the time what opponent doing have more computers ... I know that because he tell me and I know a lot of games when he giving to me the save for "tell me what opponent doing or tell what it's in cube"
I NEVER DID THAT IN ANY RATED GAMES.
i have my desktop computer and my wife has a laptop but she use it all the time at school.. (She’s a PHD student and her program is so full then sometimes I just see her once in a couple of days...) Anyway he's just trying to revenge himself for being caught cheating...
He hoped that immediately after the game to ask him how to do that... but surprise! cpcos is not in the mood for cheating.. So immediately I write it down in zone for everybody!!
Well imagine how big was his anger when he's all plan went that wrong! LOL
So NO! I DIDN'T CHEAT AT ALL! AND THIS WILL BE MY LAST POST ON THIS MATTER.
I WOULD GLADELLY SAY GOOD THIS THING IS ALMOST OVER NOW...BUT NO... I CAN'T SAY THAT... IT'S SAD TO SEE MYSELF IN THIS POSITION HERE...
Just because a stupid jealous guy (I got emperor and him though I can’t reach even legionnaire status) says such horrible things about me... Not even knowing how I play...
It's sad... and worse thing is when you look at the email he sent... He’s like the most honorable player ever... (But he admitted he cheated ..)(Everybody can say same things about anybody around... I see only desperate words there... something to catch attention ))
He's in my opinion, just one poor guy that cannot face the truth... he's just NOBODY!!!
GOOD LUCK OBI.. AND GROW FIRST OF ALL... (BTW HE'S 30 YEARS OLD!!!)
All my best!
cos
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rychenroller
Promising
Supreme Hero
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posted February 24, 2006 06:44 AM |
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Q. Why do questions about honor always follow certain players, yet other players play the game for years and years yet are untouched by the cheating accusations that plague their counterparts?
A........?
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Myctteakyshd
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vanadiasruler
Hired Hero
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posted February 24, 2006 10:43 AM |
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homm3 too old ?
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What I feel is that homm3 is too old, too corrupt, and too rule-based these days. I can't wait till homm5 clears all this up (I hope). I hope even more that they implement some of the homm4 advances in multi (like password protecting saves, etc).
Exactly, now lets move on.
Well I think that it is not homm3 that is too old, but the players who have played it for such a long time and got such a level of expertise that it leaves them less room for improvement.
Personnally, I think that indeed H5 would bring some change, and novelty, but also the new games have a tendancy to put so much in graphic and effects that sometimes the functionnality in playing makes the game less user-friendly, because of the excess of effects, and images, colors etc ...
However, one thing that I would be very curious to know(after having read all these replies about cheating , and all tricks etc .. )is :
Will the possibility to look in the map editor during game still exist in H5 ? because it looks like there is no possibility at all in H3 to avoid or check if someone took a look on it during game. Except by checking all saves AND that the player who used it makes something very obvious.
This is one thing that makes that many players, (including me) have a tendancy to play only with those they trust or know better, and avoid the others. With the consequence that it prevents the community, the amount of players, and new opponents to grow. This is
a pity.
Even if I am curious to see and to try the H5, I will still always continue to play H3 more than H5.
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GabyStan
Known Hero
Seeking Wisdom
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posted February 24, 2006 11:35 AM |
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Yes Nico, you emphasise a good point here, but I guess we can improve quite well by playing each other both us who are in the growing stages and against the ones who have no more secrets to learn from the game. What if we lose 1-2 more years against them, as long as we have fun and learn to become as strong as they are?
I tried H5 and have to tell you for me it sucks, coz I hate all the graphical craps in these most recent games. I am an old fashioned who likes 2D games that are stuffed with tehnique instead of dunno what special effects. So don't worry Nico, we can play H3 for many years more, we have a long road till we reach the 6-7 years experience the veterans have now. 
And once again, leave the savegame editors and cheat codes for TESTING, not for cheating.
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Arangar
Famous Hero
Weak ranger - lost viking
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posted February 24, 2006 03:01 PM |
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Will the possibility to look in the map editor during game still exist in H5 ? because it looks like there is no possibility at all in H3 to avoid or check if someone took a look on it during game. Except by checking all saves AND that the player who used it makes something very obvious.
Afaik you cannot do this in h4. I'm sure it won't be possible in h5 either.
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Arangar
Norwegian viking
ranger of the north
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vanadiasruler
Hired Hero
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posted February 24, 2006 03:15 PM |
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Yes Nico, you emphasise a good point here, but I guess we can improve quite well by playing each other both us who are in the growing stages and against the ones who have no more secrets to learn from the game. What if we lose 1-2 more years against them, as long as we have fun and learn to become as strong as they are?
I tried H5 and have to tell you for me it sucks, coz I hate all the graphical craps in these most recent games. I am an old fashioned who likes 2D games that are stuffed with tehnique instead of dunno what special effects. So don't worry Nico, we can play H3 for many years more, we have a long road till we reach the 6-7 years experience the veterans have now.
And once again, leave the savegame editors and cheat codes for TESTING, not for cheating.
Sure Gaby,
Anyway for my part, I like to play random and not fixed map, because I like to make games where I don't know what I will get. Removing this for me, is removing all the interest of the game ...
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Russ
Promising
Supreme Hero
blah, blah, blah
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posted February 24, 2006 06:39 PM |
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Will the possibility to look in the map editor during game still exist in H5 ? because it looks like there is no possibility at all in H3 to avoid or check if someone took a look on it during game. Except by checking all saves AND that the player who used it makes something very obvious.
Afaik you cannot do this in h4. I'm sure it won't be possible in h5 either.
You can do that in absolutely ANY game. ANY. Saying that cheating is impossible is just plain stupid. Quite often cheaters are the ones pushing those rumours and then a bunch of gullible people catch on and start yelling "no! cheating is impossible!" on every corner. For those who think that there are cheat-proof games, I repeat: THERE IS NO SUCH THING! Looking at the saves after the game is the only way to know that someone is cheating. Knowing all possible ways of cheating also helps detecting those who do cheat.
Here are a few easy ways to cheat that I've learned from some HOMM3 players (I would assume this is possible in any homm version):
1) Save the games, then open up the save on another PC and go wild.
2) If you lose some army - press alt+f4, then yell at your opponent "ffs, your conn sux, I am tired of having to reload!!! one more reload and I quit!!!" (i.e. attack is the best defense)
Now on to more complicated ways to cheat (that require some knowledge of programming or some 3-rd party tool):
1) Play with a trainer or a hacked homm.exe - if you've got the one that's written well, none of your opponents will ever know that you've cheated.
2) Get a save-viewer (to simplify the process of having to load up the save on another PC).
Those 4 ways are IMPOSSIBLE to avoid in ANY homm-series games. There are many more ways to cheat, but they mostly depend on a specific game or game version.
The best you can do, really, is save on every turn and look at what's happening if you are not sure whether someone you are playing is cheating. Your opponent killed 100 titans with no losses on week 2? Your opponent has more army than he should? Your opponent always seems to know where to go even though he doesn't have view air or view earth? You've got a secret plan - you pick fire magic because you've found the berzerk scroll, but in the final fight your opponent positions his army in the most unusual way (however, his positioning is perfect for minimizing the effects of your berzerk spell)? Your opponent is deep inside your land (unexplored), he does not have view air/earth, yet he unloads all of his slow troops from his main char to gain more speed on his next turn to reach your castle (and somehow all of your heroes happen to be too far away to take advantage of that)? Well, those are just some things to look for.
Of course, you have to be a skilled player in the first place to understand what is and what is not possible, because many cheating accusations come from newbies who claim that someone cheated just because they lost.
*** A BIT OFF-TOPIC HERE (some stuff on cheating and cheaters) ***
I've played another game (Unreal Tournament) and I've made some astonishing findings recently. I've always found some things rather strange. Some players always seem to know where you are and ambushed you. Some player's aim seems to be just as good when you shot at them (yet when you are shot, your screen shakes making aiming much harder), etc, etc. Well, I've mentioned this a few times and quite obviously every time I got flamed by almost everyone. "you suck, noob, quit ur whining", or "stfu idiot, you can't cheat here - this server has THE LATEST CHEAT DETECTION SOFTWARE!!!", or "omg noob! he is in a clan! if he is found cheating - he'll be kicked and will never be able to join another clan!!!".
So, one day I went on Google and I spent a day looking for all possible cheats.
Well... I found exactly what I expected. A radar program that allows you to see the other players' locations, a hack that allows you to see through the walls, a hack that removes shaking when you get shot at, a hack that removes some of the weapon graphics (like rocket smoke) to make the aiming easier. Those hacks are 100% undetectable as the server has absolutely no way of knowing about that.
But!!! My findings didn't end there! For some reason I thought that the anti-cheating software would block out things such as aimbots, BUT... I've found some variations of aimbots that are able to bypass all of those l33t anti-cheats!
So, then I played many games as a spectator and I watched some of those "l33t pplZ who dun cheet cuz dey r in da l33t clan" play. Quite obsiously, most of them had an entire set of non-detectable hacks installed. Of course, it is impossible to get a 100% proof, so they will never be proven to cheat (not to mention they will defend themselves against any accusation to their last breath), HOWEVER, after watching a few of them play for a few games, you notice certain things that make cheating almost obvious.
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