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bloucester
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posted March 27, 2006 05:08 PM |
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archangels
i am a big fan of heroes3, where no creature could stand alone against the might of the archangel. and i am really offended because in heroes5 they are so lame. they do only 45 damage. look at the other 7 level upgrades! the necro dragon is the sole weaker! and they come by 3 a week as far as i know. this is stupid! only 45!
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ComradeX
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posted March 27, 2006 06:28 PM |
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Well you should look at this from another view point.
Archangels have the best HP (200), the best skills (31 31), the best speed (7), great initiative (11), it can fly and it can ressurect fallen troops. That is great!
About the damage, you shouldn't worry. Set damage is a double edged sword (no bless \ curse effect) but it is good as the attack skill bonus only adss to it. If you look at the average damage (Max + Min devide by 2) you will see that the Archangel doesn't fall behind seriously:
Archangel - 45
Titan - 55
Black Dragon - 57.5
Gold Dragon - 45
Archdevil - 46
Spectre Dragon - 27.5
And you should remember that the extra attack point gives a bonus too.
So you see, although not the absolute chmpion as in HOMM III, the Archangels still remains one of the best with a set damage of 45. As in HOMM III the Archangel did not have and still doesn't have best damage (Titans had 60, remember?).
So if I were you, I would worry not about theArchangel being "too weak" 'cause it's not!
Those who should worry, theoreticaly are the Necro fans, but they have great growth rate and cheap prices to compensate for a phisicaly weak creature.
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bloucester
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posted March 29, 2006 10:50 AM |
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thanks, comradeX, but i'm still not satisfied. i have played too much heroes3, i guess. i am wondering something else. can archangels in H5 resurrect themselves h4-like or can't (h3-like)? and another thing - what role do morale and luck play in heroes5?
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ComradeX
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posted March 31, 2006 03:58 PM |
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Although it may be changed at the final release, as for now, the Archangels can ressurect any unit, even in their own stack.
About morale and luck: both will work like in HOMM III.
Morale may give a unit a chance to strike twice and luck may give you a "critical hit", inflicting double damage.
The order of movement is determened by initiative.
And, yes, the Archangel is not the sole champion now, but we are powerless, and can only adjust to the new conditions of the game.
The game, like life itself moves on (not always for the best though...) and so should we...
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bloucester
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posted March 31, 2006 05:41 PM |
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please, comrade, don't be talking about life - you don't know what i'm in now. hope you never experience such s***!
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EldGiffen
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NobleGriffen Master Of Birds
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posted April 01, 2006 01:05 AM |
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Hey Guys I agree with you in HOMM3 archangles are so tought, in the next heroes there weaker, to what I hear.
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ComradeX
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posted April 01, 2006 09:50 AM |
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Well, you are in deep ****, I won't talk about life.
As for Archangels, well... they do get weaker but these is to balance the game, I think. Look at it now (check Miru's in depth town analysis), the 7th level creatures are very close to each other stat wise, so I think there is an attempt to create balance, hope it will be succesfull.
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bloucester
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posted April 04, 2006 05:54 PM |
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well. let's look at the special abilities of the H5 7th level units. Archdevils summom BALORS, Blacks are tough and immune to all magic, Titans shoot, Golds are very fast, Darkness are immaterial and come by 3, i think. And what do Archangels do? They revive - the idea is not to have to revive anything, don't you think?
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Shauku83
Promising
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posted April 04, 2006 07:10 PM |
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In Heroes 3 it was not so cool that Archangel was the best creature in combat AND had the best ability, Resurrection.
Now they are not the best in combat (yet really tough), but still has the best ability, Resurrection!
It is only fair.
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bloucester
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posted April 04, 2006 07:16 PM |
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i agree that resurrection is a great ability - it reduces your casualties greatly, but it does not win your combats. sometimes it does, but...
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ComradeX
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posted April 05, 2006 12:17 PM |
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Well, ressurection is more usefull in some situations then others. By the time you'll get Archangels, you'll propably have plenty of weaker creatures, and they will shorely die in one stage or another, thus the abillity comes into play.
Think of it: as haven you got 2 shooters: Archers & Clerics. Both, being shooters, are the AI's (and some player's) first targets, thus many of them might die. Shooters are very important units. so ressurecting many of them is usefull. Whenever you have another stack of units together with the Archangels (accept creatures which you have casted upon Anti Magic, or Black Dragons), the Ressurection abillity comes in handy.
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bloucester
Famous Hero
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posted April 05, 2006 01:50 PM |
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yeah, every ability has its use. something else bothers me. in the previous versions of heroes5, somebody said that when an angel/archangel is killed, it goes back to its dwelling and can be recruited again. there's something similar in the description of the angel. is this really so, and do you think it will be so in the final game?
by the way, when is it released?
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Shauku83
Promising
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posted April 05, 2006 02:15 PM |
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No, they definately don't return to Town for re-recruitment. It just means that as Angels are creatures from Higher realms, they return there after being killed. (You see a divine light leaving straight up from the battlefield after an Angel has fallen)
It is actually very beautiful, IMHO.
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Dungeonian
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posted April 05, 2006 02:48 PM |
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There is an ability named Guardian angel . It works after all knight's troops had being killed 1 angel appears in the battlefield and fights on the kinght's side giving him/her additional chance .
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Lich_King
Honorable
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posted April 05, 2006 04:33 PM |
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The tricky ability it is, though, since the angel appears only for combat, so you have few chances: resurrect weaker creatures (or spellcasters with direct damage or shooters) and try to win the fight (if remaining opposing forces are small enough), or run away, if enemy managed to kill your troops fast and you didn't even had chance to act. Since you flee you get your hero for hire, if you lose the last angel, hero dissapears.
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ComradeX
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posted April 06, 2006 02:56 PM |
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The Guardien Angel ability is an but saver. It can win you those "I am that close to winning if only I had one more troop" battles that we have all incountered in previous games, that's so cool!
As lich King said, you can use that angel to ressurect your most usefull stack and use it to win the battle, or at least save the hero by retreating.
P.S: if I am in a situation in which I had Angels that were killed (lets say 3 stacks of 3 Angels each), can I use ressurect several times to ressurect all 3 Angel stack and use the last of them to ressurect other creatures?
(if it works it's a great trick!)
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Lich_King
Honorable
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posted April 06, 2006 03:36 PM |
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As I know, Archange's resurrection is not a very powerful spell, but it should be enough to res the other stack, at least 1 angel, but stack cannot resurrect itself, so angels cold only resurrect other stack of angels, if there's any...
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maslo
Adventuring Hero
Lord of Vampires
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posted April 06, 2006 05:24 PM |
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I know that I'm kind of late but morale doesn't gives you additional turn. Well... not exactly. It makes your unit turn to come faster. And btw some creatures(like zombies)may not move in each turn.
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ComradeX
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posted April 06, 2006 08:24 PM |
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Well Maslo, every creature, no matter how slow it is will move atleast ones a turn. Fast creatures may move more then ones a turn, in average, meaning that Gold Dragon may move 9 times, while in the same time Zombie will move 5 times.
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Maslo
Adventuring Hero
Lord of Vampires
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posted April 09, 2006 11:31 AM |
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But which style do you mean? Dynamic battles or normal ones? I was talking about normal and i have played necro beta i saw zombies moving in 1st turn and not moving in 2nd and moving again in 3rd round.
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