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JoonasTo
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posted November 28, 2008 06:07 PM |
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You didn't read it well Will. 
I said gathering speed.
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posted November 28, 2008 06:09 PM |
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I know what you said, but the gathering speed of Farms is not slow compared to some other things.
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posted November 28, 2008 06:10 PM |
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It is the slowest of all food gathering methods.
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william
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posted November 28, 2008 06:11 PM |
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When you say slow, do you mean by the use of a single villager or the fact that with some food gathering techniques, you can have multiple villagers gathering from the same thing such as gathering fish or gathering from bushes?
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posted November 28, 2008 06:12 PM |
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I mean the rate they get the food.
As in time that one villager takes to get full load.
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posted November 28, 2008 06:13 PM |
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Are you sure they are the slowest? I thought that it takes the same time for each villager when they are gathering food from whatever source they can? With some civs it might differ since some might be able to gather food faster from deer or something or be able to gather faster from farming. I'm not really sure I agree with you here. How do you know this?
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posted November 28, 2008 06:14 PM |
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does increasing the amount of food your villagers can carry make gathering less efficient?
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william
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posted November 28, 2008 06:16 PM |
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No it doesn't. It is good at gathering food faster if you want to prepare for a battle by creating troops, but after a while the particular source of food you are getting might run out. Farming is the best method of getting food (IMO) because like I said above, as long as you have wood then you can basically get all the food you want by creating more and more farms, and once they run out then just make them again.
Getting food from bushes and animals and fish is a good but has its disadvantages in that they will eventually run out and you will have to gather food from somewhere else.
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posted November 28, 2008 06:19 PM |
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I can't remember where I got it first but it was there already in the Age of Empires. You can test it. It is still there in Age of Kings.
No. Actually it makes it faster since less running between food and home. But you can find that you end up waiting for a single villager to bring load home if you have few villagers.
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posted November 28, 2008 06:35 PM |
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does increasing the amount of food your villagers can carry make gathering less efficient?
no , but how many Villager you use to gather do.
If effect, you shouldn't have more than 3 Foragers, 8 Hunters, 6 Fishermen and 6 Shepherd at the same time. More will cause the Villagers to run into eachother, slowing down the gatheing process
Farms and Fish Traps ARE THE Source of food you should concentrate on in the mid-late game, and AFTER you've gathered all Sheep/Turkeys, Berries, Deer/Boars and Fish you VIllagers can Forage.
The large amount of Wood require to acquire and maintain a large number a farms( which you desperately need in the end-game) might slow down your economy if you use farms too soon.
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posted November 28, 2008 11:38 PM |
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nah i dont keep such a big varritys of gathers of food. ussally if i keep 3 at the forges bush and 2 farms,by the time the bushes have exustted i can use 1 more farm,and 2 fishermans,or,go to another place. and constenly preduce manpower for economy and miletery.
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posted November 29, 2008 02:46 AM |
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Farms and Fish Traps ARE THE Source of food you should concentrate on in the mid-late game, and AFTER you've gathered all Sheep/Turkeys, Berries, Deer/Boars and Fish you VIllagers can Forage.
Well I agree, but they can be useful early in the game as well. As soon as you can build Farms then I recommend you build them as soon as possible. Usually if you are just starting out, then build a Mill and go to forage bushes or get other sources of food, but again, when you are able to build Farms then you should build them and mainly concentrate on the Farms as your main source of food (this is especially helpful later on in the game when a lot of the other sources of food are exhausted such as hunting animals or fishes. When you buy a Mill then you are able to Queue Farms, and this is one of the most useful things in the entire game, in my opinion.
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The large amount of Wood require to acquire and maintain a large number a farms( which you desperately need in the end-game) might slow down your economy if you use farms too soon.
It's not that large of an amount of Wood, although if you have a lot of Farms plus a Farm queue then it can be rather a lot, but that is what is good about having a Market. 
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posted November 29, 2008 04:32 AM |
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although the teutons get it easier as their farms are 40 instead of 60. right?
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posted November 29, 2008 07:22 AM |
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Technically the later you need to go to farms the better. A good rule is that farms before feudal is bad. Or at least before hitting the feudal age button. You should try to keep the wood to teching up since wood is what matters in that. You should always have enough food to get to feudal without farms. Close deer, close fish, sheeps by scout(should be saved for last when you have gathered many of them), luring boars(loom would be nice incase you don't know how to do properly), last bushes.
What should be noted here is the villager upgrades.
Cartwheels make hunting fishing and farming much faster.
So with upgrades farming actually becomes faster than bushing.
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posted November 29, 2008 07:31 AM |
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Technically the later you need to go to farms the better.
Perhaps that might be true in some cases but not all. Remember, that Food (and also Gold) are the most important resources in this game. Getting as much as you can when you have started playing is very important. How else can you build villagers and your army? Wood would be the 2nd or 3rd most important resource (it all depends on the situation that you are in) mainly to build buildings and some certain types of troops like Trebuchets and catapults etc.
I find that at the start, forage bushes are good but once you can build Farms then go for it. That's what I always do anyway, and it works just fine for me, of course other people might have their own strategies and whatnot. I also don't do much fishing since I don't play that much on Water based maps. I don't like water battles and all that.
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posted November 29, 2008 08:21 AM |
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Yes wood and food are the resouces of least importance in the end but in the start wood is the most important resource since it is still scarce and you need it badly but you can't use your villagers to gather it too early since you'll fall behind on workers. But Feudaling and Castling is all about wood. After you castle stone becomes the most valuable resource so you can start spamming TCs and villagers in huge numbers and eco grind your enemy.
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posted November 29, 2008 12:56 PM |
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Usually you need around 20 Villagers gathering Food (several ways: Hunting and Sheperding are the best ways early) and a dozen Lumberjacks before advancing to Feudal. Wood IS Important early, it is very handy to get a Dock/Barracks Early, and to Build a Pallisade-Outpost Recon Line around you settlement in Dark (but replace them by Watch Towers and Walls later).
Wood is essential to early defence, and should be you main focus as soon as you run out of sheep.
Also, don't neglect Gold. By the Time you start building up a Powerfull Militairy force (somewhere around Mid-Feudal), you sould have a blooming Goldmining Industry. (but if the map doesn't have much gold, consider Trade as the main focus for acquiring gold)
But in Dark, the majority of your Villagers should be gathering lots of food. Also when you are Hunting: DISCOVER LOOM FIRST!!!
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posted November 30, 2008 12:49 AM |
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When should i try to get to the castle age? i get to feudal around 12 min but what time should i aim for castle age and imperial age.
My current times
30 min castle
50 min imp.
edit: my brother is being a noob again...
Instead of improving his skills he plays with 3 allies against unallied standard comps... he still thinks he's better than me 
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posted December 02, 2008 06:07 AM |
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As soon as u can,buy lots of villagers,send them on gold and farms(which should be improved by now)As soon as u hit 800 food and 200 gold,start it,by the time it ends,ull have lots of food and gold to buy some new things in Imperial,dont forget to build castle too.And btw i think farming is best choice,by the start of feudal,the bush should be empy and gathering will take u too long,theyll have to find something to hunt and bring it all the way home or mill,which might take a while.
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posted December 02, 2008 01:01 PM |
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I'm a very good player here indeed, I first construct much houses, make many villagers, build an army of militia, then I start advancing, I almost never have problems because of the much villagers I have, researching, upgrading, untill I reach the Imperial age. Then I make some upgrades (Most often all of them except "Spies/Treason") and start my conquest. 7 easy (not easiest) are down without even realizing they're attacked.
The hardests are thruly good....
And a little hint - there is always a civilization, which is stronger than another one (Except Turks and Spanish), and that makes the game easier. You need to know - the gunpowder above all, the infantry - above mounted, the archer civilizations - above infantry ones, the Byzantines - weak at attack, but good at defence.
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