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Darkloke
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posted August 06, 2006 06:10 PM |
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Edited by Darkloke at 20:52, 20 Jan 2007.
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D&D mod - your opinions?
Good time of day to you, people!
During a few years i try to realize some idea (wog mod in one word) and would like to hear your opinion... I not the man of the forums, so it is my 1st post on official forum since my membership in WoG team.. he-he. 
I am trying to make heroes similar to D&D conception, but not in the whole - only some aspects and there are following:
1. Rework all creatures parameters and abilities
2. Rearrange creatures in the castles and change their levels
3. Add/replace some monsters based on D&D
May be some of you will consider this as plain "rebalancing" mod, but i think this will be not the same.
I really would like to discuss it with you (because i am working alone) and to know what do you think about all this.
I updated some links, so you now can see the images, but i still dont have a web page to unite all this stuff.
- Castle:
1. Pikemen
2. Crossbowmen
3. Cruseders (may be new look)
4. Griffons
5. Zealots
6. Champions
7. Devas (angels name by D&D)
- Rampart:
http://darkloke.narod.ru/heroes/screens/castle_rampart.jpg
1. Sprites (added a small visual effect)
2. Elves
3. Centaurs
4. Treants
5. Unicorns
6. Pegassi riders
7. Brass/Bronze-Gold dragons
- Tower:
http://darkloke.narod.ru/heroes/screens/castle_tower.jpg
1. Dwarves
2. under construction
3. Mages
4. Djinnies
5. Stone-Iron golems (may be new look)
6. Rocs
7. Titans
- Inferno:
1. Imps
2. Magmins
3. Hell hounds
http://darkloke.narod.ru/heroes/screens/DandD_hound.jpg
4. Efreetes
5. Glabrezu (or vrock - under ?)
6. Mariliths
Marilith-General
7. Balors/Balrogs
Balor from WoW:
http://darkloke.narod.ru/heroes/screens/DandD_balor.gif
Balrog from LotR BfME:
http://darkloke.narod.ru/heroes/screens/DandD_balrog.jpg
8. Commander - succubus from WoW
http://darkloke.narod.ru/heroes/screens/small_succubus.gif
- Necropolis:
1. Skeletons
2. Zombies
3. Wraiths
4. Vampires (removed shadow)
5. Power Lich (will be replaced by demilich from NWN)
http://darkloke.narod.ru/heroes/screens/DandD_demilich.jpg
animated version (need XVid):
http://darkloke.narod.ru/heroes/screens/DandD_demilich.zip
3. Bone-Ghost dragons
- Dungeon:
http://darkloke.narod.ru/heroes/screens/castle_dungeon.jpg
1. Troglodytes
2. Gargoyles
3. Manticores
4. Slimes/Oozes
http://darkloke.narod.ru/heroes/screens/small_ooze.gif
http://darkloke.narod.ru/heroes/screens/small_ooze_u.gif
5. Beholders
6. Minotaurs
7. Blue/Red Dragons
- Stronghold:
1. Goblins
2. Wolf riders
3. Orcs (may be from W3?)
4. Ogres
5. Harpies
6. Cyclops
7. under construction
- Fortress:
1. Gnolls
2. Lizardmen
3. Dragonflies
4. Medusae
5. Gorgons
6. Wyverns
7. Green/Black Dragons (with acid breath)
http://darkloke.narod.ru/heroes/screens/small_dragon_black.gif
- Conflux:
1. Air
2. Water
3. Archon
4. Fire
5. Earth
6. under construction
7. Phoenixes
Well, what do you think?
BTW1, the mod will also contain new portraits for heroes and probably a certain script. Here are some examples of them:
Castle
Rampart
Necropolis
BTW2, if you unfamiliar with D&D or just want to use it as source if ideas and suggestions, you can look here:
3,5 edition:
http://www.d20srd.org
2-nd edition:
http://mmadnd.chat.ru/MM00000.htm
D&D Art Gallery archive (here you can find images of all D&D monsters):
http://wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/arch/ag
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The Law is the thousand of invisible threads, that wind around you. If you cut up the one - you are a criminal. Ten - you are a prisoner condemned to death. All - you are a God!
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ByteBandit
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted August 06, 2006 06:15 PM |
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Good to see you here, Darkloke.
It would be nice if you could somehow include some of the NWN creatures or objects into WoG. And some of their rules. Especially if you could include some of the Artifacts!
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TrangOul
Known Hero
Lord of Darkness
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posted August 06, 2006 06:57 PM |
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I like MM creatures .
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Darkloke
Promising
Famous Hero
WoG Team artist
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posted August 06, 2006 07:49 PM |
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Will do my best, ByteBandit!
BTW, could someone tell me is it possible on this forum to use my own avatar icon?
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Vlaad
Admirable
Legendary Hero
ghost of the past
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posted August 06, 2006 07:54 PM |
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Will do my best, ByteBandit!
BTW, could someone tell me is it possible on this forum to use my own avatar icon?
You need 50 posts. For the time being you can pick an avatar from the list.
Welcome to HC, Darkloke. It's nice to see you here!
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Darkloke
Promising
Famous Hero
WoG Team artist
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posted August 16, 2006 06:29 PM |
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I wonder... Is there no one who would like to say something about this idea? No interest at all?
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bigjocker
Responsible
Supreme Hero
Forgotten but not Forsaken
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posted August 16, 2006 07:40 PM |
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Actually I'm interested in your idea...Hm...I maybe could even help...
What if making everything as you want and somehow add new upgrading system...I mean something like in Disciples..(Creatures upgrade by gaining experiance not for money...and you can choose what you want the creature upgrade to)..It's just a suggestion to all your project...
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JoonasTo
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
What if Elvin was female?
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posted August 16, 2006 07:43 PM |
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I would be interested in that kind of mod but I don't have time to look through those files 
School is taking all my time along with trainings so I'm sorry
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Consis
Honorable
Legendary Hero
Of Ruby
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posted August 17, 2006 07:23 AM |
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Well . . .
I think it's an interesting idea. Design changes might include:
~Painting the imps brown/green and renaming them to kobolds.
~Make Orcs from trolls
~Paint the Behemoths into Ogres or something like that.
~Black and green dragons spit acid, Red and Gold = fire, Blue ones breath ice
~Program dragons to cast certain spells
~Nagas are evil, work for Balors, and are called Tanari
~Scorpicores should be called sphinx
~Wizards should summon golems
~Ranger class should have racial enemy as specialty skill
~Priests turn, destroy, or convert Undead
~Paladins have a Holy Avenger
~Heroes need Alignment, not the towns: Lawful good, Chaotic Good, Neutral Good . . . etc
~Magic Arrow should be called: Magic Missile
~Give a Behemoth horns and a tail and call it a Terrasque
~Dragons can talk and have Polymorph self
~Inferno should be called: Nine Hells
~Make Drow Elves for Dungeon town
~Make Sirens for Fortress
~Dwarves use Axes NOT hammers
~Evil Eye is called a Beholder
~Give vampires hypnotize spell
~Magi are called: Wizards
~Genies and Ifreets are called: Elementals. Elementals are called Elementals except for the fire. Fire elemental is called Ifreet.
~Elves hate Dwarves and Dwarves hate elves.
~Need halfling & gnome heroes
~Need Thief class of heroes with ability to steal
~Liches must be much stronger
~Faerie Dragons need to be greatly weakened
~Enchanters should be called: Arch Wizard
~Grand elves should be called: Human archers, Sharpshooters should be called: Elves, Marskmen should be called: ranged henchmen, Halberdiers should be called: Local Guards, Crusaders should be called: Knights, Cavaliers should be called: Brotherhood of the Lance, Zealots should be called: Energy Elementals, Monks should be called: Advisors
~Deathknights should be able to raise skeletons in battle
~ABSOLUTELY NO TITANS(it's completely not D&D) Titans are a Greek thing turned Roman by the Heroes storyline
~Enlarge Ogres and change color to Grey or Peach, then rename to Giants
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Darkloke
Promising
Famous Hero
WoG Team artist
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posted August 17, 2006 08:40 AM |
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Thanks for the opinion. Lets' see...
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Painting the imps brown/green and renaming them to kobolds.
Kobolods in Inferno? No.
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Make Orcs from trolls
You mean neutral orcs?
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Paint the Behemoths into Ogres or something like that
I will remove behemoths, but now i didnt found creature that will replace them. May be emerald/crystal dragons, but i am not sure.
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Black and green dragons spit acid, Red and Gold = fire, Blue ones breath ice
Yes, it is planned feature.
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Program dragons to cast certain spells
If this feature will appear in 3.59, then - yes.
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Nagas are evil, work for Balors, and are called Tanari
YES, YES, YES!!! Now finally someone (beside me) founds this too! Yes, they are called Mariliths and take 6th level slot in Inferno.
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Scorpicores should be called sphinx
No, it is a different creature.
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Wizards should summon golems
No. Mephits - yes + may be other creatures, but not the golems.
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Ranger class should have racial enemy as specialty skill
Hmm.. Interesting. I will think about this.
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Priests turn, destroy, or convert Undead
You mean monk and zealots? Yes.
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Paladins have a Holy Avenger
There are no paladins (yet).
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Heroes need Alignment, not the towns
Yes, may be. But it is very difficult to adjust creatures in the towns to be one strict alignment, though i am trying to remove creatures with opposite alignments.
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Magic Arrow should be called: Magic Missile
Hmm...  It is possible.
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Give a Behemoth horns and a tail and call it a Terrasque
Hmmm! Yes, it is very intriguing, though i would say it will be very powerful creature for Stronghold. Even more powerful than dragons...
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Dragons can talk and have Polymorph self
I dont see point in talking dragon... Polymorph... Hmm... Why?
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Inferno should be called: Nine Hells
Optional.
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Make Drow Elves for Dungeon town
Drow elves - no. But dark dwarves (derro) - yes.
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Make Sirens for Fortress
No.
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Dwarves use Axes NOT hammers
Dark dwarf (unupgr.) will use it. Usual dwarves will remain unchanged.
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Evil Eye is called a Beholder
It is already called so. Or do you mean just swap it?
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Give vampires hypnotize spell
Yes.
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Magi are called: Wizards
I dont see the sense. It is a hero class.
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Genies and Ifreets are called: Elementals. Elementals are called Elementals except for the fire. Fire elemental is called Ifreet.
No, they are different creatures.
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Elves hate Dwarves and Dwarves hate elves.
No.
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Liches must be much stronger
Yes.
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Faerie Dragons need to be greatly weakened
Yes.
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Enchanters should be called: Arch Wizard...
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Dont see a point in renaming creatures you suggested.
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Deathknights should be able to raise skeletons in battle
They wil summon them.
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ABSOLUTELY NO TITANS(it's completely not D&D)
Are you sure? Look at manual.
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Enlarge Ogres and change color to Grey or Peach, then rename to Giants
Dont see a sense.
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TrangOul
Known Hero
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posted August 17, 2006 09:36 AM |
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yubq
Hired Hero
rosesmasher
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posted August 17, 2006 06:00 PM |
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Edited by yubq at 14:46, 18 Aug 2006.
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I will remove behemoths, but now i didnt found creature that will replace them. May be emerald/crystal dragons, but i am not sure.
no,i hope you would not remove behemoths.
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Themes & Concepts
The Heroes Theme and concept is most
wanna hear more,if you'd tell.
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Consis
Honorable
Legendary Hero
Of Ruby
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posted August 17, 2006 06:21 PM |
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Edited by Consis at 18:23, 17 Aug 2006.
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Themes & Concepts
The Heroes Theme and concept is most closely associated with Greek, Roman,and early Arthurian legend (early historic Brittania). Example: Titans wear common Roman soldier themed attire. Heroes Themes are very much Roman Catholic influence by nature and design. Dante's Inferno is also very much an influence. Heroes Good and evil is more epic and related to Heaven and Hell.
Dungeons & Dragons give their minotaurs this roman look and reserve Titans (which usually are very lethargic, live at the top of a cloud mountain, and only wear a loin cloth) for Greek mythology campaigns. In Dungeons & Dragons the usual Arch Villain is a Maniacal Wizard or Undead Wizard(Lich). D&D does not have "angels" but rather projections of Pantheonic-based Gods called "avatars". Good and evil generally focuses on the choices/decisions of each individual character. D&D has Elysian, Olympia, and Nine Hells but not God and the Devil theme.
D&D is strictly pantheonic polytheistic while HOMM III supports traditional roman catholic monotheism. You will NEVER hear the words "Mandate of Heaven" in D&D.
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ByteBandit
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Famous Hero
Soul Merchant
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posted August 18, 2006 03:01 AM |
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Now, if I recall correctly, when Vampires die, just about everything around them will die too. They explode, set fire, etc. So, perhaps when a stack of Vampire Lords are gone, a huge fireball goes off where the stack was. I know this is not in D & D and such, but should've been.
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Darkloke
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Famous Hero
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posted August 18, 2006 08:42 PM |
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The Heroes Theme and concept is most closely associated with Greek, Roman,and early Arthurian legend (early historic Brittania).
I dont want to discuss about heroes basic concept. It is done by the developers and i dont what forced them to mix so units in one pile w/o some common base. My idea - to build ALL monsters, based on one conception, converting parameters with unified formulas.
About scripts... Well, i dont need much scripting work. It is mainly only graphic and text, so i will need just a good amount of testers to test the balance (though it will not be full until 3.59).
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Celfious
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Legendary Hero
From earth
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posted August 18, 2006 08:53 PM |
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i will subject my opinion as to the soundness of this particular idea.. hehe
D&D, and HOMM?? Go for it! I am sure they would be in the game already if there wasnt laws against it.
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Darkloke
Promising
Famous Hero
WoG Team artist
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posted September 02, 2006 03:04 AM |
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It seems that this thread is dying (nobody want to discuss this)... it is sad.
Well... May be at least you'd like to participate in discussing this unit?
http://heroes.obninsk.ru/download/darkloke/heroes/ZM177NPC.7z
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ByteBandit
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Famous Hero
Soul Merchant
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posted September 17, 2006 03:49 PM |
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You won't get the rules from D & D in HoMM. But like I stated earlier, it would be nice to use most of the artifacts from it. Especially the NWN artifacts.
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Darkloke
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Famous Hero
WoG Team artist
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posted September 17, 2006 04:44 PM |
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I understand your pessimism, but nevertheless i am still working on it and you can see if you wish some pictures of my progress and planned features.
It is a link to russian thread of this topic (pictures):
http://forum.df2.ru/index.php?showtopic=2847
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SuperKnight
Known Hero
that hasnt been on in a while.
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posted September 18, 2006 03:04 AM |
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a...........
where do you put the creature files?
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