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posted September 22, 2006 10:44 AM |
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Does Anyone believe in UFOs
Well is there anyone that has travelled the entire universe and searched for aliens.
There are millions, billios of stars and we havent searched them and there may be some aliens living on them for all we know.
There culd be aliens living on the sun but as it is way to hot for us to go there, then we cannt search there and therefore we have no knowledge of any life forms that may live on the sun, and for all we know there could be some kind of lifeforms living on there.
We also havent searched Venus, Pluto and the other planets except for Mars properly, and if we do, then we might actually find them, like find some life forms.
So technically speaking we can't really say that there are no aliens, because for all we know, there could be.
UFO's, aliens, and all that, might be fiction, but it must have come from something right?
Uusually things come from real life incidents, and then they are made into shows, movies, books etc.
Some people have actually seen UFO's and perhaps some have even been abducted by them.
I guess that mysterious happenings like weird Crop circles, aliens, UFO sitings and all thatare probably real.
How can you explain crop circles?
How were they made? And when did it happen?
It probably happened by Aliens and probably at a time when you were either asleep or not there.
This might sound a little strange, because if you are asleep, you surely would hear something like a UFO or something like that.
Well that is just my opinion anyway, and for all we know, Aliens, UFO's and all that probably do exist, but people have not had substantial proof as to whether or not they are deemd fact, because many people right now probably think it is all fiction, but they could be wrong.
Here are some pictures which I have found which might be truth or fiction, you can decide:
Alien
UFO Over Manhattan
Here is a rather puzzling picture that I have found:
Bible
So do you believe in UFOS?
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posted September 22, 2006 11:33 AM |
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uh...
i think you should rephrase the question
what do you mean do i believe in UFOs? ...if i believe in Unidentified Flying Objects? if i believe in the existence of Extraterrestial Life Forms? or if i believe the UFOs are proof of ELFs on our little blue planet, sweet Terra Firma, aka Earth? ...lets take each question on its own, shall we?
"do you believe in Unidentified Flying Objects?" - i most definitely do, even a piano thrown out of a window is a UFO till someone says "oh hey! thats a piano!" ...since i don't believe thats exactly what you have in mind however, i will also put Unidentified Flying Vehicles in the mix, the answer is still yes, for more on the subject, look further down
"do you believe in the existence of Extraterrestial Life Forms?" - it is mathematically impossible and extremely selfish, in fact it is hubris, to believe we are the only advanced life form in the universe (of course some would argue we are not really that advanced, but anyway) ...besides, i am a fan of shows like Babylon5, FarScape, First Wave and Stargate ..if there are no "aliens" out there, i will be very disappointed (unless of course they turn out to be bent on eliminating our race)
"do you believe UFOs are proof of ELFs on our planet?" - mmm... now we are onto something, aren't we? ...UFOs can and have been everything from flying pianos only seconds from impact, to not-yet-revealed military aircrafts, to meteorological phenomena, to the odd UFO that actually seems to be of extraterrestial origin ...do i believe those last ones could be what people say they are? ...still not sure, but i like to leave my options open
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posted September 22, 2006 12:27 PM |
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I'm curious what people's guesses are to the types of intelligent (human or beyond) life that are out there. I mean what do you think they look like, their culture, their behaviour etc...
btw William that alien in your first post makes me laugh. I'm not saying it's phony or anything, it just makes me laugh. 
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posted September 22, 2006 12:30 PM |
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I have a feeling that there ARE other lifeforms out there in this universe of ours. While life on Mars has not been found yet, there are still signs. Not only are there images of aliens and unidentified objects, but also video footage of UFO sightings the world over. If you look into the YouTubes and Google Videos of this world (and also a bunch of other video hosting sites), you can rest assured that people DO believe in extra terrestrials, and I have no problems with that, like I have no problem in those who believe in ghosts.
I'm sure that a certain Fred Durst may have been a nutjob but he too believed in UFOs. For any of you who may have owned a Limp Bizkit album, if you go to the bit at the end of the songbook where Durst says his thanks, he says for people to believe in UFOs.
Other people who believed in extraterrestials and the like even started their own religions. The two most well-known UFO cults are the Raellians and the Solar Temple. I'm sure if you look in Wikipedia you'll find stuff on it.
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posted September 22, 2006 02:06 PM |
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There was a really cool thread identical to this which faded away a while ago. See if I can link you guys.
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Here it is
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posted September 22, 2006 03:02 PM |
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I am sure of the billion of stars & planets we probally never heard of.
I am sure were not the only ones in this tiny planet of ours.
As much as we can not survive on other planets without the proper equipment, I am sure it is the same for whatever may be out there.
Who really knows what technology they may have learned if they are out there.
Yea i believe in them & I am sure there are many skeptics as much as ghosts.
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posted September 22, 2006 09:20 PM |
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it is mathematically impossible and extremely selfish, in fact it is hubris, to believe we are the only advanced life form in the universe
Is it mathematically impossible to believe that we're the only advanced life form!?!? It is possible to believe anything.
Well, I know what you mean: "it is mathematically impossible that we're the only (advanced) life form". I have to disagree. You may state that it is highly probable that we're not alone, but it is not a fact. With our limited knowledge of how the universe really works, how large it is and so on we can't approach the question mathematically.
But nevermind, personally I believe that all the photos/videos and other proofs of aliens are fake. Perhaps there are some other life forms out there but I don't know. And I guess that if they exist we'll never know (at least not in my life time).
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posted September 22, 2006 10:13 PM |
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With our limited knowledge of how the universe really works, how large it is and so on we can't approach the question mathematically.
One of the things that Christians like to do is to make a mathematical representation of the probabibility of life in the universe. Then they "cook the books" so that it appears as if life is impossible and therefore we are a true miracle.
It's my own opinion that based on the way you can see life in the most extreme circumstances possible (cold, heat, radiation, acid, alkiline) that our galaxy is swarming with life.
I superdoubt though that we're ever going to meet them face to face, sci-fi style.
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posted September 23, 2006 10:47 PM |
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I think that there is life out there and in lesser numbers intelligent life. My only hope is that they are intelligent enough to ignore us humans and just wait until we will destroy ourselves in the future (which we most definatly will).
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posted September 23, 2006 11:17 PM |
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I'm quite sure the universe is smaller then we imagine, it's rather like a circle. I'm quite sure all other type of life looks similar to the one on earth. I'm sure the Earth we see is not the only Earth which exists. I hope you got my point. It's the same answer I'd give for believeing in ghosts or the same answer which explains the dreams we have at night.
As for UFO's... they are just Unimportant Flying Objects... perhaps only illusions
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posted September 24, 2006 01:27 AM |
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I'm quite sure the universe is smaller then we imagine, it's rather like a circle. I'm quite sure all other type of life looks similar to the one on earth. I'm sure the Earth we see is not the only Earth which exists. I hope you got my point. It's the same answer I'd give for believeing in ghosts or the same answer which explains the dreams we have at night.
As for UFO's... they are just Unimportant Flying Objects... perhaps only illusions
Arbaces.
You cannot be certain that all other life looks similar to the one on Earth.
Can anyone expalin about Area 51 and all the crazy things they do inside there.
I have heard they have seen aliens and are experimenting on them and all of that stuff.
And from pictures of which I have seen, they do not look like humans at all, quite the opposite infact.
There could be many Earth's for all we know, there could be billions infact, but since the Galazy is infinite, we shall never know.
And forget what those mathematicians and scientists say about Galaxy or Universe being a certain size, that's plain crap, because virtually everyone knows that it is infitine, and noone can really prove otherwise.
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posted September 24, 2006 01:46 AM |
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If there are any other "intelligent" beings out there in the space, they will surely look similar like we do.
Why? Because the way we are "build" is the reason why we became that "successfull". We have hands, which allow us to use tools. So if there is another intelligent race out there, which is able to build spaceships, it needs to have hands and arms like we do, coz otherwise they would do hard developing all pieces which are needed for a spaceship. You would do hard creating a "processor" if u only have tentacles for example...
Just compare the human race with some intelligent animal races. Dolphins count as pretty much intelligent, but they will never be able to "leave" the planet earth.
Or take Stephen Hawking for example. One of the most intelligent man on earth, but he would be nothing if he had no1 who would have built his computer wheelchair and his speach computer with hands and electronics. Brain alone is not enough to become a leading race....physics and biometry are at least as important.
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posted September 24, 2006 02:08 AM |
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OK I have found a real life alien and here it is:
A Real Life Alien
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posted September 24, 2006 02:36 AM |
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@angelito
while your observations are acurate, there is a logical fallacy, you assume that every other world capable of sustaining life, has the same conditions as our little blue globe...
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posted September 24, 2006 03:42 AM |
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Or that they will develop the same micro technology as us. But for interstellar travel, they would have to have some of those traits you mentioned.
But for sentient alien races they could be anything. They would need to be able to survive in their own climate, and protect themselves against predators, but would also have a need for communication, because if we can't talk to them it's all wasted.
As to whether they are on earth, I highly doubt it. There's not really any reason to hide in such a densely populated planet. If they were observing us they would need to be within the cities, because the only other way they could do it would be from space and we'd notice it. Maybe we have, and that explains UFO's, but... no.
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posted September 24, 2006 04:00 AM |
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And forget what those mathematicians and scientists say about Galaxy or Universe being a certain size, that's plain crap, because virtually everyone knows that it is infitine, and noone can really prove otherwise.
LOL so we should believe virtually anyone, rather than scientists?
There is no such thing as universally accepted theory of Universe among scientist which proposes spatially finite Universe.
Big Bang Theory is a prevailing model and a rather successful one, but until it has addressed all its problems, other theories will be live filling the gaps with its own physical models, not with "that's plain crap" arguments.
There is no such thing as PROVING some physical model. What physical models, theories and laws do is that they constantly reaffirm themselves by predicting outcomes of some measurements - if they are good, or fall if their prediction didn't correspond with measurements.
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posted September 24, 2006 04:03 AM |
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And forget what those mathematicians and scientists say about Galaxy or Universe being a certain size, that's plain crap, because virtually everyone knows that it is infitine, and noone can really prove otherwise.
LOL so we should believe virtually anyone, rather than scientists?
There is no such thing as universally accepted theory of Universe among scientist which proposes spatially finite Universe.
Big Bang Theory is a prevailing model and a rather successful one, but until it has addressed all its problems, other theories will be live filling the gaps with its own physical models, not with "that's plain crap" arguments.
There is no such thing as PROVING some physical model. What physical models, theories and laws do is that they constantly reaffirm themselves by predicting outcomes of some measurements - if they are good, or fall if their prediction didn't correspond with measurements.
Did I say we should believe everyone else and not scientists?
No I didnt.
Scientists cannot prove that space is finite at all, because it is impossible to tell otherwise.
What are they gonna do, measure every single bit of the universe to se whether it ends?
No that is impossible to do.
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posted September 24, 2006 04:15 AM |
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Scientists cannot prove that space is finite at all, because it is impossible to tell otherwise.
What are they gonna do, measure every single bit of the universe to se whether it ends?
No that is impossible to do.
Please read above about PROVING a model or theory.
There is no such thing.
As long as it gives good predictions or explains some phenomena it is useful. I don't know of any theory that is more successful in describing the Universe than Big Bang Theory . Do you?
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posted September 24, 2006 04:16 AM |
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Scientists cannot prove that space is finite at all, because it is impossible to tell otherwise.
What are they gonna do, measure every single bit of the universe to se whether it ends?
No that is impossible to do.
Please read above about PROVING a model or theory.
There is no such thing.
As long as it gives good predictions or explains some phenomena it is useful. I don't know of any theory that is more successful than Big Bang Theory in describing Universe. Do you?
I read your big bang thing, and there probably are better ways, but I can't think of them right now.
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