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posted December 08, 2006 11:25 PM |
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Adding More Creatures into Existing Factions?
We all know that in many strategy or RTS expansions, one of the more "exciting" things they could offer is to add addtional factions or new units into the existing ones. The first one is easy to do, but the later are a bit tricky, as the H5 has a limiting issue due to its 7-level creature setup.
I am sure most people would still want to add one or two of their favorit creatures (that is missing) into the exisitng factions. The question is... How to do it?
Would like to hear possible ideas for how such thing could be done.
A previous posted idea suggest of an Altnerative Creature Production system, in which much like H4 (but with out its shortcomings), allow Faction to make certain choice in what creature to produce. So say instead of the the lv6 Weight for Necro, you could forgo and build Death Knight production building instead... things like that (there are other ways to the similar thing too)
Another possiblity is to increase the levels. So instead of having only 7 level, will make it 8 or 9 levels, and sticking one or two new creatures in between for all factions.
Thats just some possible idea to play with, see if other can come up with other good ones too.
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posted December 08, 2006 11:47 PM |
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i wanted to make *another* set of Renegades, my idea was shot down quick and fast, but the sistem was good
when you built a Town hall, a screen poped up saying.....(i used Haven as an example)..
CHOOSE YOUR LORD
Andrei-----------------------------Isabel
Nicolais cousin--------------------Nicolais wife
(normal upgrade)-------------------(Renegad upgrade)
you can use this but you could change it from just upgrades to all creatures
if i remember i said in another thread of a design for this...
Level 1- same
Level 2- not same
Level 3- not same
Level 4- same
Level 5- same
Level 6- not same
Level 7- same
or maybe..
Level 1- same
Level 2- not same
Level 3- same
Level 4- not same
Level 5- not same
Level 6- same
Level 7- same
but somrthing like that, so you have fixed and unfixed units, although i think that level 1 and 7 should be non-changeable
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GenieLord
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posted December 09, 2006 01:24 AM |
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I thought on other direction.
To add each faction another 4th level creature.
The 4th level creature will become 5th, the 5th will become 6th...
Sylvan:
4. Pegasi-Pegasi Captain
Haven:
4. Pikeman-Spearman
Academy:
4. Roc-Thunderbird
Necropolic:
4. Mummy-Acient Mummy
Inferno:
4. Efreet-Efreet Sultan
Dungeon:
4. Medusa-Medusa Queen
What do you think?
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posted December 09, 2006 03:36 AM |
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Sylvan = Stream Niad/River Niad
(Irollic cities are surrounded by water, and yet there are no water creatures in their army?)
Haven = Halfling/Three-fourthsling
(I couldn't think of anything, sue me)
Necropolis = Death Kight
(of course)
Acadamy = Harpy/Harpy Healer
(Who says harpies can't be sexy)
Dungeon = Faceless/Veiled Faceless
(What happened to them?)
Inferno = Fire Efreet/Molten Efreet
(They do rock)
Fortress = Snow Ape/Yeti
(They look nifty, and I wan't to kill them!)
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bixie
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posted December 09, 2006 10:47 AM |
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hmmm.....
there are some flaws in your suggestions
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Sylvan = Stream Niad/River Niad
(Irollic cities are surrounded by water, and yet there are no water creatures in their army?)
thats good, but it doesn't fit into the Slyvan feel as well as something like a dryad. i see that the elves don't have any cavarly, so i suggest tiger riders/ stag riders.
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Haven = Halfling/Three-fourthsling
(I couldn't think of anything, sue me)
i personally think that halflings should be a nuetral faction, so instead, i suggest something like Neophyte-> crusader
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Necropolis = Death Kight
(of course)
sounds good to me!
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Acadamy = Harpy/Harpy Healer
(Who says harpies can't be sexy)
too damn right!lol
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Dungeon = Faceless/Veiled Faceless
(What happened to them?)
veiled faceless? people who don't show their faces don't show the thing thats covering their face? i think another darkelf unit, preferable a better ranged unit, something along the lines of a reaver crossbowelf, or something like that.
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Inferno = Fire Efreet/Molten Efreet
(They do rock)
i like the efreet very much, but i think that they not evil enough to join inferno, and 3DO only put them there because they were running out of ideas. if you read the conflux thread, you'll find where i have chosen to put them on page 6.
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Fortress = Snow Ape/Yeti
(They look nifty, and I wan't to kill them!)
i know for a fact, genie lord, that Yetis are from the ice castle, and you know it as well. i suggest something a little more dwarven... like a pissed brewmaster, for example.
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GenieLord
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posted December 09, 2006 01:55 PM |
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It was Daydstar's suggestions, not mine.
Mine are in the second reply of the thread.
Pissed Brewmaster sounds good! 
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Ted
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posted December 09, 2006 03:11 PM |
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It was Daydstar's suggestions, not mine.
Mine are in the second reply of the thread.
Pissed Brewmaster sounds good!
it does and it doesnt, imagein a young kid, playing H5, he wants to know what a Pissed Brewmaster is, would you feel right really having that?
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GenieLord
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posted December 09, 2006 03:29 PM |
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It was Daydstar's suggestions, not mine.
Mine are in the second reply of the thread.
Pissed Brewmaster sounds good!
it does and it doesnt, imagein a young kid, playing H5, he wants to know what a Pissed Brewmaster is, would you feel right really having that?
There's something about it.
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Daystar
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posted December 09, 2006 03:41 PM |
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I wanted to get units that were NOT the race of the orriginal faction. Don't make me start talking dragons.
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bixie
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posted December 09, 2006 06:18 PM |
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ok, maybe not...>_<
dwarves have always been very good with ranged attacks, so i think a dwarf crossbowman, called a quarreler (upgrades to master quarreler) or a bear with a miniature catapult on its back.
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Ted
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posted December 10, 2006 12:49 AM |
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ok, maybe not...>_<
dwarves have always been very good with ranged attacks, so i think a dwarf crossbowman, called a quarreler (upgrades to master quarreler) or a bear with a miniature catapult on its back.
a bit to futeristic, dont you think?
perhaps a pair of boomerangs?
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actionjack
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posted December 10, 2006 05:13 AM |
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The idea or a want-list of what additional creature to be added to each faction is welcome here as well. But also do want to hear what other possible ways (beside the two described above) that allow new creature to be added to the exisiting factions.
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GenieLord
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posted December 10, 2006 11:19 AM |
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The idea or a want-list of what additional creature to be added to each faction is welcome here as well. But also do want to hear what other possible ways (beside the two described above) that allow new creature to be added to the exisiting factions.
Well, definitely shouldn't be new 8th level creature.
Because the creatures that there are now MUST to be the strongest in the town...
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bixie
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posted December 10, 2006 05:45 PM |
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i wanted to make *another* set of Renegades, my idea was shot down quick and fast, but the sistem was good
when you built a Town hall, a screen poped up saying.....(i used Haven as an example)..
CHOOSE YOUR LORD
Andrei-----------------------------Isabel
Nicolais cousin--------------------Nicolais wife
(normal upgrade)-------------------(Renegad upgrade)
you can use this but you could change it from just upgrades to all creatures
if i remember i said in another thread of a design for this...
Level 1- same
Level 2- not same
Level 3- not same
Level 4- same
Level 5- same
Level 6- not same
Level 7- same
or maybe..
Level 1- same
Level 2- not same
Level 3- same
Level 4- not same
Level 5- not same
Level 6- same
Level 7- same
but somrthing like that, so you have fixed and unfixed units, although i think that level 1 and 7 should be non-changeable
ted's way is certianly very interesting, if i remember rightly, it was the same method used by Mircosoft when making Age of empires 3 and age of mythology (that game rocks!). the problem is that some of the lords are heroes in the game, and what happens if the hero in the next faction is called a lord, or something.
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Ted
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posted December 10, 2006 05:52 PM |
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i wanted to make *another* set of Renegades, my idea was shot down quick and fast, but the sistem was good
when you built a Town hall, a screen poped up saying.....(i used Haven as an example)..
CHOOSE YOUR LORD
Andrei-----------------------------Isabel
Nicolais cousin--------------------Nicolais wife
(normal upgrade)-------------------(Renegad upgrade)
you can use this but you could change it from just upgrades to all creatures
if i remember i said in another thread of a design for this...
Level 1- same
Level 2- not same
Level 3- not same
Level 4- same
Level 5- same
Level 6- not same
Level 7- same
or maybe..
Level 1- same
Level 2- not same
Level 3- same
Level 4- not same
Level 5- not same
Level 6- same
Level 7- same
but somrthing like that, so you have fixed and unfixed units, although i think that level 1 and 7 should be non-changeable
ted's way is certianly very interesting, if i remember rightly, it was the same method used by Mircosoft when making Age of empires 3 and age of mythology (that game rocks!). the problem is that some of the lords are heroes in the game, and what happens if the hero in the next faction is called a lord, or something.
well i dont really think they would call them a Lord, its to unspecific, in my opinion,
resonally i didnt think it was in Age of empire (true they rocked!), i got it from H3 campaign Heaven i think, theres two paintings, it says choose your lord
still i like anyway
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BaZeD
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posted December 16, 2006 01:24 PM |
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I thought on other direction.
To add each faction another 4th level creature.
The 4th level creature will become 5th, the 5th will become 6th...
Sylvan:
4. Pegasi-Pegasi Captain
Haven:
4. Pikeman-Spearman
Academy:
4. Roc-Thunderbird
Necropolic:
4. Mummy-Acient Mummy
Inferno:
4. Efreet-Efreet Sultan
Dungeon:
4. Medusa-Medusa Queen
What do you think?
Why don't anyone comment this suggestion!? I guess its perfect!
1)Pegasi is a unique mythological creature, alredy used in H3, which fits Sylvan atmosphere... plus its some kind of elfish cavalery!
2) Pikeman has been presented in all previous games - each time on different lvl, but always as castle\haven unit! It must be returned!
3) Roc was originally wizard's creature, so it can join them again. Thunderbird will therefore be a pure "magical" upgdare...
4)Mummies!!! I just want to see them back in Necropolis!!! lvl 4 is good for them, besides, theyll add to necro's spellcasting potential
5)Efreet - i dont understand why he is stil not in hell!
6)Its obvious, that dark elves have special affection towards snakes and lizards... So, medusa will fit Dungeon even better than in previous partes...
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posted December 16, 2006 01:34 PM |
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Edited by bixie at 13:33, 17 Dec 2006.
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Why don't anyone comment this suggestion!? I guess its perfect!
1)Pegasi is a unique mythological creature, alredy used in H3, which fits Sylvan atmosphere... plus its some kind of elfish cavalery!
yes, it does fit very well with the Slyvan ethos, but elven cavarly...hm... i don;t think so, for one think, it flies, and cavalry had been a ground unit mostly.
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2) Pikeman has been presented in all previous games - each time on different lvl, but always as castle\haven unit! It must be returned!
yes, it must be returned, but i don't think to haven. haven has turned into a medieval faction, rather that a renasiance one.
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3) Roc was originally wizard's creature, so it can join them again. Thunderbird will therefore be a pure "magical" upgdare...
i agree!!! but will everyone else!
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4)Mummies!!! I just want to see them back in Necropolis!!! lvl 4 is good for them, besides, theyll add to necro's spellcasting potential
thats good, the lich was getting a bit beardy!
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5)Efreet - i dont understand why he is stil not in hell!
probably becuase he is a fire spirit? not a demon!
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6)Its obvious, that dark elves have special affection towards snakes and lizards... So, medusa will fit Dungeon even better than in previous partes...
your thinking along the same lines as me!
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posted December 16, 2006 01:44 PM |
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Necropolic:
4. Mummy-Acient Mummy
There already is a mummy in HoF. it's a neutral creature.
see more:
http://www.heroesofmightandmagic.com/heroes5/hof_neutral_creatures.shtml
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posted December 16, 2006 02:27 PM |
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[qoute]2) Pikeman has been presented in all previous games - each time on different lvl, but always as castle\haven unit! It must be returned!
yes, it must be returned, but i don't think to haven. haven has turned into a medieval faction, rather that a renasiance one.
Do u think that pikes and spears are not medieval enough?
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posted December 16, 2006 02:54 PM |
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Necropolic:
4. Mummy-Acient Mummy
There already is a mummy in HoF. it's a neutral creature.
see more:
http://www.heroesofmightandmagic.com/heroes5/hof_neutral_creatures.shtml
You are right, but I think they should return to Necropolis!
They are undead... And they fit Necropolis beatifuly.
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