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emilsn
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posted January 08, 2007 09:06 PM |
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I didn't really want to vote for the one i think is the best, i just love Magma dragon. Though its to slow 
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Pivapivabeer
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posted July 31, 2007 08:45 PM |
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What about fallen angels? But anyway, i pick blackies.
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LiZaRdMeN
Disgraceful
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The king of Grimheim
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posted July 31, 2007 09:01 PM |
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I didn't really want to vote for the one i think is the best, i just love Magma dragon. Though its to slow
Magma dragons are slow,but are the most powerful level 7
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sheensher
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and Slipknot FAn
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posted July 31, 2007 09:31 PM |
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For me titans, because they can shoot
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Deathy
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Angels Galore
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posted July 31, 2007 10:33 PM |
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Edited by Deathy at 23:20, 31 Jul 2007.
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meh, i rather vote for creatures that truly fill an role well in an army and does things in there which helps heroes and other units excel well.
in this light the title belongs to either the black dragon or archangel in my opinion.
damage dealer able to withstand the magic AoEs thrown onto them and the other one is important damage dealer able to resurrect units if the need rises. sounds pretty useful to me  magma dragons on the other hand are really tanky but deal pretty low damage overall(if not counting magma shield that is) and have pretty low initiave. also needs runes to be able to attack fast.
and in 1v1 situation which alot people seem to count from, Phoenix would be very good match against Magma dragon anyway o.o
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HartZa
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watchout graveyards!
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posted July 31, 2007 10:38 PM |
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Letīs see what I think
Emerald Dragon
Fastest of his tier which makes him acts oftenly but somehat cant stand as much damage as others tier 7 creatures. Specials are ok.
Black Dragon
Highest damage of his kind and hasnt really weakness except perhaps moderate initiate. This means they acts after enemy fastest creatures. They have very good specials.
Spectral Dragon
Everything here seems to be bad except descent stats and initiate. Specials arent very good either.
Titans
Very good shooter which deals excellent damage. Eventhought they HP are below average they still kickīs ass!! . Specials are good also.
ArcAngel
Realitive good in all area. Good stats, hp, damage, speed and initiate. They specials are sometimes priceless.
ArcDevil
Allmost as good as arcangels in all areas. They deals nice damage and can stand to take medicore damage. Special ability is VERY good.
Magma Dragon
Toughest creature in game. Well they have quite poor speed&initiate for they levels, but they can do some damage through. Nasty specials against melee creatures.
My choice: Emerald Dragons
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alcibiades
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of Gold Dragons
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posted July 31, 2007 11:15 PM |
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Nice post HartZa.
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Emerald Dragon
Fastest of his tier which makes him acts oftenly but somehat cant stand as much damage as others tier 7 creatures. Specials are ok.
I agree pretty much with this. Low Defence and HP is deffinitely the Achilles' point of the Emerald Dragon. It makes up for this with its swiftnes, and coupled with Druid casting expert Endurance, this can make a great hit'n'run attacker - especially when you can exploit the fire breat to avoid retaliation. Its large damage range also calls for Light Magic to give it more punch.
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Black Dragon
Highest damage of his kind and hasnt really weakness except perhaps moderate initiate. This means they acts after enemy fastest creatures. They have very good specials.
Well, the Black Dragon is a great all-round creature, even if Initiative 10 is not extraordinary, it's by no means bad. Ironically, I do feel that Magic immunity is this creatures greatest weakness - sure it can be a help, but I so would like to buff them up.
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Spectral Dragon
Everything here seems to be bad except descent stats and initiate. Specials arent very good either.
The Spectral Dragon is, on paper, not in any way as bad as most people hold it to be. With it's growth of 3 per week, it is in fact very close to be on par with the Black Dragon in most of its properties (weekly HP and damage growth). Coupled with Necromancers easy access to resurrecting, this would make for a very usefull unit. Ironically, what brings the Spectral Dragon down is the cost of the dwelling. The whole idea of this unit is to have it come in large numbers, but with an absolutely mind-blowing amount of Mercury required to build the dwelling, upgrade it, less build the growth booster, that is simply not going to happen. You might get them in very late game, or you might get a handful from Necromancy in later versions of the game, but at that point they have simply lost their usefulness.
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Titans
Very good shooter which deals excellent damage. Eventhought they HP are below average they still kickīs ass!!. Specials are good also.
I am myself a bit ambivalent with regard to the Titan. I always loved the Titan in Heroes 3, where one could well argue that it was close to being overpowered when you hid it in the corner behind Golems, Gargoyles, etc. This is why the new system with large units is brilliant, because it perfectly compromises the advantage of the Titan. He has simply become very vulnerable. That being said, his specials accounts for this very nicely - no melee penalty is usefull when blocked, as is Call Lightning, although the latter is unlikely to deal realyl good damage compared to normal attack, except when fighting high-defence heroes like Knight. The Titan is therefore now a quite well-ballanced creature in my oppinion.
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ArcAngel
Realitive good in all area. Good stats, hp, damage, speed and initiate. They specials are sometimes priceless.
Another wise move by Nival here, on which I must really compliment. The Archangel has gone from being a supreme creature (like in Heroes 3) to being an in many ways quite average creature: Stats are excelent, but mediocre speed and mediocre - albeit very stable - damage ensures to keep it balanced. Resurrection is just always nice to have, and I must say that Nival has managed to make a very well ballanced and all-round usefull version of the Angel here.
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ArcDevil
Allmost as good as arcangels in all areas. They deals nice damage and can stand to take medicore damage. Special ability is VERY good.
I could have wished that they had chosen not to make the Arch Devil inferior to the Arch Angel in all aspects, but they pretty much did. In the unlikely case that your Demon Lord has access to expert Divine Strength, he will be able to boost damage above the Angels', but with a meager 7 in speed and a laughable 199 HP, the Inferno - once again - ended up with the rough part of the deal. Had they given the devil a handful more HP and a significantly higher speed, it would have been much more competitive.
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Magma Dragon
Toughest creature in game. Well they have quite poor speed&initiate for they levels, but they can do some damage through. Nasty specials against melee creatures.
Yes, I agree with this. As opposed to the other level 7's, the Magma Dragon is a tank, and it is an excellent one of its kind. It is, however, not quite comparable to the other level 7's. I've never been much of a tank fan, I like my level 7 to hit fast and hard, but it obviously has all the right abilities for what it's ment to do.
My favorite level 7: Uhmmm ... guess I'll go with the Archangel. Not that it's a lot better than the others, because I think they are pretty much even most of them - but I like its all-round qualities.
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phoenixreborn
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posted August 01, 2007 12:12 AM |
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In the case of the Magma dragon you can conceivably do rune of charge three times so it isn't that slow (nor does it cost much to do so).
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alcibiades
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posted August 01, 2007 12:18 AM |
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Well yes, Rune Of Charge will help out with the poor speed, but not the below average Initiative and Damage.
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Daystar
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Back from the Dead
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posted August 01, 2007 06:04 AM |
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I'm gonna have to say Emerald Dragon: It is straightforwardly strong, and it does not rely on specials that rely on other things. Eg:
Archangels and Archdevils both rely on other people in the army to get units (resurection or summon)
Black Dragon relies on facing a Magic user for its special special to kick in.
Spectral Dragon is straighforward, with the cursing attack, but the stats are low.
Titans and Archdevils rely on enemies to be farther away.
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Gil-galad
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High King of Noldor
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posted August 01, 2007 10:34 AM |
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I would vote for the Magma Dragon. If you have lots of Magma Dragons, runes and expert light magic....
Well let's say that the enemy has some serious problems.
If you don't have something that yould give the Magma Dragons more initative or speed I would go for the Emerald Dragons.
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Deathy
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Angels Galore
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posted August 01, 2007 01:48 PM |
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the problem with magma dragons lies in the fact that they pretty much NEED all those runes and buffs to be able to do much in the battlefield. i mean other lvl 7 units could do loads of stuff too with expert light magics on them.
black dragon for example doesn't need the buffs(as it can't get them in first place haha) and does pretty well. same applies for some other lvl 7s aswell. light magic on any lvl 7 is awesome but it shouldn't rely on it to be able to be effective on the battlefield.
and magma dragons aren't that impressive, because as i said earlier, low initiave, not so great damage and the NEED for runes does definetly not make it the best in my eyes.
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Doomforge
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Retired Hero
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posted August 01, 2007 02:12 PM |
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Depending on stats, blood angel may become a killer. Appearantly, my first impression about divine vengeance was very bad, but after someone (sry don't remember who ;P) said those useless peasants can be used as dv booster, I reconsidered its uselessness. It's still theorycraft, but it seems pretty reasonable. Use overgrown stack of peasants at enemy's hardest hitter, get them slaughtered in retaliation, blow the retaliating stack to oblivion with divine vengeance. Seems cool. It all depends on blood angels' stats, since they need to be good fighters in addition to vengeance, or they will become another one trick pony, easily countered by slaughtering peasants via spells, or disabling them completely (although the satisfaction of seeing your enemy being forced to disable the peasants instead of your paladins seems very interesting.)
The Red Dragon seems an interesting creature aswell, being able to do 150% noretal attack in addition to a bit higher initiative, plus it's no longer spell immune,so it's a natural choice for melee-orientated warlocks *cough*power of speed*cough*. Depending on how that special works, of course.. if it hits only the closest enemy instead of being an activated ability, it's much less cool, albeit it's still a source of hot damage. The black dragon seems superior when facing academy or necropolis, though; anyone which can puppet master your dragons pretty much nullifies the advantages of having the red dragon. Too risky, I'd say.
Sapphire dragon seems potent with its varied shape and range of the breath, although in the heat of the battle you will most likely end up killing your own units with unexpected shapes of the breath. Still, it seems extremely powerful with huge luck (easily attainable for sylvan heroes) as a battle-opener; that's what those dragons are for anyway.
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alcibiades
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posted August 01, 2007 05:04 PM |
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the problem with magma dragons lies in the fact that they pretty much NEED all those runes and buffs to be able to do much in the battlefield. i mean other lvl 7 units could do loads of stuff too with expert light magics on them.
Excelent point! 
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Appearantly, my first impression about divine vengeance was very bad, but after someone (sry don't remember who ;P) said those useless peasants can be used as dv booster, I reconsidered its uselessness.
I think I said that. 
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Gil-galad
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High King of Noldor
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posted August 01, 2007 05:08 PM |
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the problem with magma dragons lies in the fact that they pretty much NEED all those runes and buffs to be able to do much in the battlefield. i mean other lvl 7 units could do loads of stuff too with expert light magics on them.quote]
That's true indeed. If you think of it that way I would prefer Emerald or Black Dragons instead.
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Homer171
Promising
Supreme Hero
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posted August 01, 2007 10:29 PM |
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Just the tough of lucky Rainbow Dragon whit Rune of Battle Rage makes my stomach hurt. Total Carnage! Pwned
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Gil-galad
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High King of Noldor
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posted August 02, 2007 11:21 AM |
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Just the tough of lucky Rainbow Dragon whit Rune of Battle Rage makes my stomach hurt. Total Carnage! Pwned
Isn't the Rainbow Dragon renamed to Sapphire Dragon?
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Homer171
Promising
Supreme Hero
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posted August 02, 2007 03:58 PM |
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Just the tough of lucky Rainbow Dragon whit Rune of Battle Rage makes my stomach hurt. Total Carnage! Pwned
Isn't the Rainbow Dragon renamed to Sapphire Dragon?
Yeah i think it is. All i could member was the Saphire Dragon mod but that was the one.
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Bombur
Known Hero
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posted August 02, 2007 05:00 PM |
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Do fallen angels drain life from magma dragons?
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phoenixreborn
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Unicorn
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posted August 02, 2007 06:33 PM |
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Do magma dragons have an immunity to level 5 spells?
I remember not being able to ressurect them...
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