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Corribus
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posted January 13, 2007 06:13 AM |
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philosphy and religion SHOULD be easily separable... "be nice to your fellow man" is not the same as "Zeus will toss a lightning on your head" or "there is a father figure up in the clouds watching over you" ...religion is by its nature supernatural, as history teaches us, today's religion is tomorrow's mythology ...as humanity advances, we leave old systems of belief behind, or reduce them to just fluff that makes us feel good (for example, we know that lightning is not the result of a horny old man getting pissed off at you, science has explained it)
Alright, on those grounds yes philosophy and religion are separable. I was referring more to the moral principles one takes from religion.
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for me, and i guess for the rest on "my" side of the argument, all "moral" judgements are done for the benefit of the species, in one way or the other ...after all, even love is a way to ensure one sticks close to his/her mate at least as long as it takes for the children to grow up (yeah yeah, in a perfect world anyway) ...your opinion is evolving, as is the species ...which, is why we give added weight on the "moral" side of the instincts and why we exalt feelings such as love and self sacrifice... which is a good thing, if you ask me
Ok, sure I can see the logic in defining love from an evolutionary perspective in that way. But we have the capacity to love people besides our children or family, and often we do not love our family and cause great harm to them. And while I may be willing to grant you that morals evolved because of their (positive) impact on the species, I feel that that usage of many of them have, in some ways, become obselete or surpassed their original purpose. Particularly given the many different sets of morals shared by different groups of people, which are constantly in conflict. Perhaps this explains the above statement about love and nonfamily members.
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mvassilev
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posted January 13, 2007 04:41 PM |
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And while I may be willing to grant you that morals evolved because of their (positive) impact on the species, I feel that that usage of many of them have, in some ways, become obselete or surpassed their original purpose. Particularly given the many different sets of morals shared by different groups of people, which are constantly in conflict. Perhaps this explains the above statement about love and nonfamily members.
Morals definitely evolved beyond their original purpose. They were originally supposed to help the species survive, but now the same genetic mechanisms that cause morals cause vastly different morals and come in conflict with their original purpose, other genes, and other people's morals. I would partially blame the cavemen for allowing their shamans to gain so much power.
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