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Elvin
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posted December 15, 2007 12:57 PM |
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Conscience is part of our nature that has good and evil inside. And there is no backup if people agree or not, you know what conformism can do. There was an experiment where 4 people would watch a blackboard with 4 uneven lines and had to pick the shortest. The three were told to pick another and guess what, the fourth did exactly the same by following their example. The line either is short or not, what people think of it is irrelevant.
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skullman
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posted December 15, 2007 01:22 PM |
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If they don't belive gods how can they then worship urgash? he is a god, well he isn't good, but every gods is not good
Academy worships Urgash? I thought only Inferno.
some stared too worship urgash in TOTE
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Geny
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posted December 15, 2007 02:26 PM |
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Conscience is part of our nature that has good and evil inside.
I disagree. Conscience is a part of our upbringing, that's why certain people "have no conscience".
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Duncan
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posted December 15, 2007 02:55 PM |
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But I don't think we'll ever agree on that 
At least we finally agree on something 
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Moonlith
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
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posted December 15, 2007 04:05 PM |
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I disagree. Conscience is a part of our upbringing, that's why certain people "have no conscience".
*Long-reached hug* You understand me!
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roy-algriffin
Supreme Hero
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posted December 15, 2007 05:35 PM |
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Concscience is part of expecting to have one. Someone who tells you to turn back at the last minute.If you dont look for one you wont find it.
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Elvin
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posted December 15, 2007 06:47 PM |
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Yes conscience can be gained during one's lifetime but I did not say otherwise. When saying human nature I do not mean how we are when born, some things can be learnt and developed. Regardless animals cannot develop it just as they cannot use moral values, therefore I consider it a part of human nature.
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Moonlith
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posted December 15, 2007 06:51 PM |
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Sooner a part of human culture or something that's caused by the creation of societies and the need to work together in order to survive. It's like Language, it's not something that you automaticly know, it's something you learn within the society you grow up in.
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Elvin
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posted December 15, 2007 06:56 PM |
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It's deeper than cold necessity. Btw I'm sure you have heard of people that had a strong sense of fairness and conscience even in the most corrupted societies.
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mlai
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posted December 15, 2007 07:46 PM |
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Good and evil in man vs animal is not a hard line. As we go up the animal intelligence ladder, the line blurs. We've all heard about the true stories of dolphins saving ppl and that gorilla that helped the toddler that fell into the gorilla exhibit. These animals aren't stupid enough not to know that humans aren't the same species, and that they're certainly not their relatives. But they took the time to help the humans anyways.
I could use dog-save-master examples too, but that's not the best example because in that case the dog thinks the man is its pack leader and relative.
Beyond the nurture portion of morality, I do believe there is a nature portion as well; a person is born with an affinity to morality. But there's nothing religious about it. A measured dose of altruism helps a human function better in a social group, allowing him/her to reproduce - hence the trait is passed down.
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Elvin
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posted December 15, 2007 08:13 PM |
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I have heard of such stories, I really like dolphins Dogs' loyalty is also noted, they have emotions and will protect the one that takes care of them but then again neutral people can be good to those who have helped them.
That's what I was thinking, an affinity. And I wish the trait was passed down, the majority of people are not altruistic and will only look after their little self. Or so I've seen.
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Moonlith
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posted December 16, 2007 01:42 PM |
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It's in human nature to act selfish
In fact, I believe you only visit your sick grandmother so you can tell yourself later on "I'm a good person". perhaps it happens without you knowing, but that's what it's all about.
If you don't go, you feel bad about being a jerk. You can tell yourself you do it for her, but deep down, you just do it to make yourself feel like a good, caring person.
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Daystar
Honorable
Legendary Hero
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posted December 16, 2007 04:51 PM |
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You're talking about human nature when we have 5+ races involved here.
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roy-algriffin
Supreme Hero
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posted December 16, 2007 06:14 PM |
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Yeah moonlith. I agree that a lot of good things you only do not to feel bad especially things like visiting grandmothers when you feel you have better things to do with your time. However theres lots of good things that get done instinctively, Like bringing someone something or answering someones question . Things that are unrelated to guilt .
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Kalai
Tavern Dweller
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posted December 17, 2007 08:14 PM |
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Edited by Kalai at 20:15, 17 Dec 2007.
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Oh dear. How can you say such a thing Roy? The reason stated for the example above is not "guilt" per se. but the fact that a person who for example visits his grandmother in most cases feels good about himself for douing somehting considered "good" or "right". Why does he feel good about it then?
Well, if you do things that for example your parents have taught or programmed you to think are beneficial to you your brain releases dopamine into your body and a feeling of general wellbeing developes in your body. The same is true for those addicted to various substances, such as narcotics, alcohol, sugar, pickles, rubberducks etc. etc.
The reason for doing things, all things, is for us to get dopamine into our bodies, that is the instinct that governs us all. Whatever we do we do to at some point get a dopamine kick. Why do you go out and get your girlfriend some icecream when you would rather stay at home? Because you might get to mate with her later, thus resulting in a vey large dose of...you guessed it, dopamine. Why would you visit your grandmother? Again, your brain compleates a program ending with a reward in the form of dopamine.
Some people are programmed differently and perhaps feel that the best thing to do is not to visit their grandmother or making their girlfriend watch while they eat the icecream. This triggers a release of dopamine in their systems. Point being, everything we do we do because we are addicted to dopamine. Only real difference are the reasons we have conditioned our brains with for when to release it.
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roy-algriffin
Supreme Hero
Chocolate ice cream zealot
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posted December 18, 2007 04:38 AM |
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Ok very enlightening to know i suppose. But i disagree that everyone helps other people only because they selfishly want that chemical in their bodies. Theres certainly been cases were the consequences outweighed the reward but people still did it anyway .
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Elvin
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posted December 18, 2007 11:08 AM |
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Besides science always overlooks the deeper factor. All things have an explanation yes but I don't think we can measure all parameters for all things yet. Still that's an interesting piece of info, I'm interested in biology and other sciences
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Kalai
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posted December 18, 2007 09:21 PM |
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It always makes gives me dopamine kick when someone is enlightened by my posts.
As for people the example of people who have done things where the consequece outwheighed the reward that actually proves my point. Why did they do that? because it was/is considered to be "good" or the "right" thing to do, thus triggering the brain to reward itself with soem good ole' D.
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Elvin
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posted December 18, 2007 09:29 PM |
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I think the example was for a case where you know that you'd be happier if you did not act this way.
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roy-algriffin
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posted December 18, 2007 11:04 PM |
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Like walking into a fire to save someone or leaving your girlfriend that doesnt want you or some such case where its obvious that no matter how good you feel it wont easily cure the burns or emotional pain or whatever other equivalant.
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