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Fortress_fan
Disgraceful
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posted February 05, 2007 03:50 PM |
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Solmyr is a big joke!
I am getting so irritated on all noobs who claims that "SOLMYR IS DA BOMB!” or “Solmyr is the best hero in the game!”. Yes Chain lighting may seems like a good spell, but that is nothing compared to Crag Hack who sometimes allows his units to do double damage (with luck and leadership that could be 400% extra damage. And that is on every turn and not on one chain lighting attack.
Same thing with Tazar, he sometimes halves the damage inflicted on his units. What is puny Solmyr compared to him?
Magic heroes are pathetic. Wizards aren’t even the best class, it is the elementalist class, which starts with higher stats than all others and have Cieles magic arrow attack. But she also sucks compared to all might heroes. Why? Because she is a magic hero! They specialize in ONE attack. Might heroes with might skills specialize in ALL attacks! It is petty simple, isn't it?
If you want to play with Tower, use Neela. 30-50% lesser damage taken is way better than one slightly improved attack. Solmyr is one of the worse Tower heroes...
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liophy
Famous Hero
Bulgarian
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posted February 05, 2007 04:11 PM |
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Well, you reinvented the wheel 
Still, Solmyr could be usefull and dangerous hero in early games - week 3 and early week 4 if the map is poor. Thats because you will just have limited army, probably 70% of the army in your castle. And in comparison with the damage from the chain lightning the might will not be enough to prevail. Later though the grouth of your army will be steady, in oposite of Solmyr (and any other) magic hero, wich will gain only few more spell power.
So - if the game is fast, good magic heroes have some chanse. If you are with might hero - you could bild your strategy on not meeting the oponent before you have all your army at least after week 4.
Recently relativly good player made that mistake - he was with Crag Hack and Conflux against Alamar with Tower and chain lightning. The might hero was so excited of the perfect game he has, that he rushed succesfuly through the oponent area and attacked him on week 3. Well... 2 chain lightnings with 500 dmg decided the game. If Crag was clever enough he had to wait for the next population and to minimazi the importance of the offensive spell.
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HeymlicH
Famous Hero
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posted February 05, 2007 08:25 PM |
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Solmyrs options may be limited, but can be useful early in the game.
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kallen
Known Hero
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posted February 05, 2007 11:45 PM |
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but that is nothing compared to Crag Hack who sometimes allows his units to do double damage (with luck and leadership that could be 400% extra damage. And that is on every turn and not on one chain lighting attack.
Lol
Double damage??
Solmyr may have a Luck or Leadership also, and Chain Lightning multipe attack power growth it with levels of Solmyr and spell power.
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Evil_Warrior
Famous Hero
Duke of Demon
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posted February 06, 2007 02:47 AM |
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Magic heroes are pathetic. Wizards aren’t even the best class, it is the elementalist class, which starts with higher stats than all others and have Cieles magic arrow attack. But she also sucks compared to all might heroes. Why? Because she is a magic hero! They specialize in ONE attack. Might heroes with might skills specialize in ALL attacks! It is petty simple, isn't it?
Attack and Defense, huh? Attack skill can be blocked by defense skill. But spell, always do direct damage no matter how high the defense is.
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Aculias
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Pretty Boy Angel Sacraficer
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posted February 06, 2007 05:10 AM |
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Solmyr is the bomb lol.
I bet I can beat you with him & no other scouts
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SAG
Promising
Supreme Hero
WCL owner
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posted February 06, 2007 09:15 AM |
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i haven't played Solmyr for ages...though when i was noob then i remember that i liked Solmyr not only for his Chain Lightning but for his ability to get DD/Fly/Town portal pretty early (he has Wisdom, often gets Intelligence and if you play Tower then you can buy library). But i completely agree that Might heroes are more powerful in general.
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Ecoris
Promising
Supreme Hero
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posted February 06, 2007 10:08 PM |
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Look, Fortress_fan, Crag does not benefit more from Leadership and Luck than any other hero would.
Actually, the relative effect of luck is reduced because Crag has Offense.
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Gidoza
Famous Hero
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posted February 09, 2007 06:50 PM |
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Look, Fortress_fan, Crag does not benefit more from Leadership and Luck than any other hero would.
Actually, the relative effect of luck is reduced because Crag has Offense.
To expand on this, the bonus of luck increases only the value of the BASE damage and not the total unless the base damage has been decreased from defense! Thus said, luck is actually more useful on magic heros than on might heros because magic heros' troops are likely to be doing less damage due to an inferior attack rating.
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Xarfax111
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
The last hero standing
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posted February 10, 2007 01:20 AM |
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Look, Fortress_fan, Crag does not benefit more from Leadership and Luck than any other hero would.
Actually, the relative effect of luck is reduced because Crag has Offense.
BS?
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Ecoris
Promising
Supreme Hero
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posted February 10, 2007 11:05 AM |
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Edited by Ecoris at 11:07, 10 Feb 2007.
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BS?
Xarfax, if you can't come up with anything else why do you even post?
Ok. Let me explain.
Morale: If a creature gets good morale it just gets another turn which usually means another hit. You could say that the troop just gets the option of dealing twice as much damage that round.
But that is true for any hero. Crag is not special on this one.
Luck: Say Crag is level 10 with expert offense. That's a damage bonus of 45%. Lets also assume that one of his troops attacks with an A/D difference of +6. That's another 30% for a total of 75%. With no damage reductions the troop deals 1.75 times base damage. If it gets good luck it deals 2.75 times base damage. Compared to the same attack wihtout good luck it's an increase of about 57%.
With the same setup with another hero without offense the damage would be increased from 1.30 * BD to 2.30 * BD, an increase of 77%.
Any damage reductions like armorer and so on do not influence on these calculations.
That what I meant by saying that "the relative effect of luck is reduced because Crag has Offense".
The point is that the damage bonus of luck only depends on the base damage; it's the same for any hero.
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Aculias
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Pretty Boy Angel Sacraficer
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posted February 10, 2007 12:57 PM |
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Ecoris
Promising
Supreme Hero
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posted February 10, 2007 02:14 PM |
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Take your spam somewhere else, Aculias.
I think you misunderstand what point I was trying to make. I could perhaps have expressed it better than Crag does not benefit more from Leadership than any other hero would.
Of course, a hero that relies partly on damage spells to win will not benefit from morale in the sense that it doesn't allow him to cast another spell that round. His troop just gets another turn which is still good.
A hero that relies on might to kill his enemy's creatures, will thus benefit more from it.
But if we compare any two might heroes the effect of good morale will be that the troop may deal around twice as much damage that round. (Of course that is likely a greater amount for Crag, but the relative effect is the same). So other might heroes will benefit as much from morale as Crag does.
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Aculias
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Pretty Boy Angel Sacraficer
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posted February 10, 2007 02:23 PM |
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Who cares Hack dont need that stuff to whoop some butt.
I think yall just waste too much time studying a game my great great grandpa used to play .
Hack is one of the best heroes regardless nough said.
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Binabik
Responsible
Legendary Hero
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posted February 10, 2007 03:32 PM |
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BS?
I notice a question mark. Nobody is always right or always wrong. But I think Ecoris is worth listening to. He's one of the few people around here actively testing and contributing to the library. He deserves more respect in my opinion.
Yes, Hack is a good hero and doesn't need luck to win. But some people enjoy discovering all the little details of the game. And the Library is the place to talk about it.
And if people think Solmyr is da bomb, so what? I think it's great that new people are still playing homm. It's a great game and everyone has their learning process. The new players aren't doing anything different than the vets did 6-7 years ago.
The vets had their fun, let the new players have theirs.
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Aculias
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Pretty Boy Angel Sacraficer
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posted February 10, 2007 04:04 PM |
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What are you talking about spam.
I got more experience in this game way more then you.
I am telling you that it dont matter.
Yea I understand the details & it's cool but it matters deep when you start lv up.
It dont matter when your on lv 10.
What are you doing killing creatures.
Thier predictable except thier morale,
It's random.
I got no morale with Hack & I got a whole bunch of morale with him.
WHat counts is winning the game not the mathematical terms because when it's a probability then it's questionable.
I keep saying heroes 3 is like poker & it is also.
A probability.
The #'s may be right but it might not always work out that way.
Morale is random.
The stats in a certain lv up is not.
Experience beats the odds orless your Antal
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maretti
Responsible
Supreme Hero
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posted February 10, 2007 05:06 PM |
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Pecu sucks?
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Crag rules, Orrin and Ivor suck
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Ecoris
Promising
Supreme Hero
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posted February 10, 2007 06:20 PM |
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Good poker players know how important odds may be, Aculias. So if you think H3 is like poker why do you say "that it dont matter"?
It was your and Xarfax' BS-spam that made me pin it out. I am aware that it is a detail with very little significance, but "Like he said BS lol." was inappropriate and I see it as an insult.
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Aculias
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Pretty Boy Angel Sacraficer
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posted February 10, 2007 06:58 PM |
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Insult lol?
How the heck is that an insult?
Were just pointing out that it's not that important to win you the game.
Yea it's cool that you know this stuff I am not criticism that.
I was just pointing out the fact.
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Ecoris
Promising
Supreme Hero
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posted February 10, 2007 07:04 PM |
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I was not reffering to your last post.
What facts does the comment "Like he said BS lol." point out?
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