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TheDeath
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
with serious business
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posted February 14, 2008 04:11 PM |
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Edited by TheDeath at 16:12, 14 Feb 2008.
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Haven players just go join the Looser's Lounge 
http://heroescommunity.com/viewthread.php3?TID=24931
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okrane
Famous Hero
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posted February 14, 2008 10:00 PM |
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Edited by okrane at 22:33, 14 Feb 2008.
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Nival? a patch or something would be good... no... oh well...
EDIT: What do you think haven would need to be better?
I believe that before the start of the new clan session a mod should be done to try and balance differences between races. As it is obvious Nival won't do anything...
Anyone else support this?
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Ceres
Supreme Hero
and sweetness
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posted February 14, 2008 10:55 PM |
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So there is no hope for Haven now? I dunno, but I do switch to Dungeon because I feel Haven is not that competitive now. But it seems that it's true and there is no way.
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And when the stars fall, I
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Doomforge
Admirable
Undefeatable Hero
Retired Hero
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posted February 14, 2008 11:02 PM |
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Well, I personally felt rather hopeless with haven. I'm not the best player in the world, but I really can't imagine anything better to do than I did in that game. And I still lost badly. So yeah, haven is an underdog.
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samiekl
Supreme Hero
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posted February 15, 2008 11:20 AM |
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wtf? heaven its not underpowered, no need to mod anything...damn. I said that they are easy to be taken down by dungeon and thats because people dont know how to play heaven. If heaven isnt good on one map it doesnt mean they're underpowered... sheeesh.
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kermit
Known Hero
Soul hunter
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posted February 15, 2008 11:43 AM |
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Hmm concering heaven, I liked 86wyps's or was it sdfx's idea of using a wizard hero as heaven , then mentoring a knight or 2  The wizard should be able to get high lvl dark from the guild allowing great creeping, alternatively a necro hero can be used or even a dungeon hero with basic dark if you get one in the tavern.
concerning inferno, it gets an easy early/mid game mainly thanks to a good balista but also easy access to dark and seducers. With a few stacks of seducers + the gates you can make the angels wack each other easy, hero, balista and firehounds adding to the damage.
Black dragons are simply the toughest thing to creep out there rivaled only by the titans. Elves can take down the blacks pretty good with luck/morale and avenger for the others I think it's a real tough fight.
Maybe dougal with pierceshot and a bunch of marksmen ...
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okrane
Famous Hero
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posted February 15, 2008 11:47 AM |
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so how should haven be played?
you are not sure about getting a good creeper week 1
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samiekl
Supreme Hero
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posted February 15, 2008 12:06 PM |
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think... dont expect someone to tell you how to play.
thats all you have to do...think... how can i defeat my opponent?
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DarkShadow
Legendary Hero
Cerise Princess
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posted February 15, 2008 12:17 PM |
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or the other...what if I don't get fireball.
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Drunk_Lord
Known Hero
very happy hero :)
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posted February 15, 2008 12:29 PM |
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@okrane
haven aren't good creepers but anyway I do it this way:
I usually play Vittorio. Upgrade the peasents fast(u need bash and 1-2dmg and badly!) then go for archers(scatter shot is good, so I don't upg. them early. Take archery at first chance). Footman and their upg. follows. So the point now is to get Squires + Retaliation Strike(if ur lucky get weakening strike) for the front lines. Bash is very good. Of course ur first priority is Flaming Arrows. So the second phase is getting luck and soldier's luck. Ur balista will have some lucky attacks and bash will trigger many times. Now when u've achived this its time for inquisitors(the upgrade may not defenitely cheap, but  ) the spells are great. If u get griffins before the inquisitors u should upg. them too. Bash and a hasten battle dive will do nicely(around 75% of the time it works). Firstly choose slower or weaker enemies, than u may advance on some more faster. Though druids and mages still can't be beated without casualties  I'm usually able to tackle succubi and griffins without much pain. This is what I generally do with haven. Although they aren't much good in creeping with some right choices they're not so bad  ... maybe
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Doomforge
Admirable
Undefeatable Hero
Retired Hero
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posted February 15, 2008 12:30 PM |
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wtf? heaven its not underpowered, no need to mod anything...damn. I said that they are easy to be taken down by dungeon and thats because people dont know how to play heaven. If heaven isnt good on one map it doesnt mean they're underpowered... sheeesh.
I meant haven vs. dungeon matchup (again, I forgot to add "in this MU")
Haven isn't that BAD in creeping after all with vittorio and some Xbowmen, especially with flaming ballista or dark magic, but it's nothing compared to dungeon and it's very easy to rush them. Otherwise they would be pretty decent. Personally, I find creeping with them easier than creeping with sylvan, non-deleb inferno or fortress (okay, fortress with ingvar is easy too), so it's not THAT horrible.
I'm trying to figure a counter-rush strategy against dungeon, but not much comes to my mind. Unless one totally crazy idea works But since the standard cookie cutter doesn't, heck, who knows.
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okrane
Famous Hero
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posted February 15, 2008 12:52 PM |
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Edited by okrane at 12:54, 15 Feb 2008.
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think... dont expect someone to tell you how to play.
thats all you have to do...think... how can i defeat my opponent?
dude... I am not retarded trust me... I've done much thinking by myself for this game. However maybe I am missing something here which makes haven a good creeping machine.
and let's leave out imba Vittorio who is banned from all small maps btw, especially the ones where a rush is such a danger...
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted February 15, 2008 01:37 PM |
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Why are we even talking about small maps? Makes no sense.
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H5 is still alive and kicking, join us in the Duel Map discord server!
Map also hosted on Moddb
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Edwin_Yang
Known Hero
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posted February 15, 2008 01:53 PM |
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that's right,magic faction always gets advantages on small maps 
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samiekl
Supreme Hero
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posted February 15, 2008 01:54 PM |
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i was speaking about okrane's post, not yours doomforge.
okrane, maybe you just have to think harder.
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okrane
Famous Hero
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posted February 15, 2008 06:10 PM |
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My head will hurt
Still, any faction is good with Warmachines, that's no secret, but other than that, it's not that obvious
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Doomforge
Admirable
Undefeatable Hero
Retired Hero
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posted February 15, 2008 06:19 PM |
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Still, any faction is good with Warmachines
not really
necromancer sucks with ballista, for example..
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okrane
Famous Hero
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posted February 15, 2008 07:00 PM |
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but they don't have creeping problems anyway, and if they did WM would surely improve their early game.
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted February 15, 2008 07:56 PM |
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Edited by Elvin at 19:58, 15 Feb 2008.
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Let's not get into it, it would still be a sucky choice with merit only for small maps. The argument has been brought up more times than I can remember but the fact remains that necro has no need of them and they eventually become a liability with your pathetic stats. Unless you have high att/knowledge score the advantage is minimal to nonexistent even in earlygame.
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H5 is still alive and kicking, join us in the Duel Map discord server!
Map also hosted on Moddb
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okrane
Famous Hero
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posted February 15, 2008 08:07 PM |
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