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Minion
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posted March 26, 2007 06:39 AM |
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What ever happened to those 6 Iranian diplomats that were captured... It was months ago. No one ever talks about them.
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homam
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posted March 26, 2007 05:17 PM |
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What ever happened to those 6 Iranian diplomats that were captured... It was months ago. No one ever talks about them.
yeah that's the point.we never talk or even heard the otherside. Why wasn't a big deal that with the 6 Iranian?There's no balance.
For example we yet discuss the victims of 9-11. I don't say its wrong that and i show totally respect to these victims and their families but that which bothers me is that all the world has forgotten the victims for example of the war in Yugoslavia before few years.And don't tell me that the victims in Yugoslavia were terrorist or whatever.They were just families.
So there is no balance.Human life seems to worth much more in the western countries.That's really bothers me .It should be a balance.We talk about HUMAN LIFE not for economy or whatever..
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bixie
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my common sense is tingling!
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posted March 30, 2007 09:30 PM |
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Ahmadinejad can be used as an anagram of these words
hand
mine
head
i
am
jaded
hide
Me?
Jihad
mad?
Nah!
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homam
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posted March 30, 2007 09:54 PM |
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Ahmadinejad can be used as an anagram of these words
hand
mine
head
i
am
jaded
hide
Me?
Jihad
mad?
Nah!
and president Bush can be used as an anagram of these words
Big
Ugly
Stupid
Hole
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EliteKill
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posted April 05, 2007 04:04 PM |
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Well, this might be over 
The soldiers were released today, and I hope something like this will never happen again. I like Happy Endings 
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bixie
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my common sense is tingling!
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posted April 05, 2007 04:15 PM |
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you can guarantee it will!
think about it.
britian first said when our navy personal were captured.
"they were in iraqi waters, this is an outrage!"
all iran had to do was to say
"if you don't give us back our prisoners, we will put these soldiers on trial" and proceeded to send us a number of letters and "confessions" that they were in Iranian waters.
the british governments reaction was
"can we talk this over, maybe a trade."
so we released 5 dangerous iranian soldiers in return for 15 rather useless british sailors. on top of that, it gives iran the oppinion that they have to just say that they will put the soldiers on trial, and it can get what they want!
soon some more soldiers are going to be taken hostage.
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Consis
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posted April 05, 2007 05:36 PM |
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Edited by Consis at 17:37, 05 Apr 2007.
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I Beg Your Pardon!
Excuse me but I find nothing "useless" about 15 British sailors! They held together and made it through with courage and strength of character! How could you be so heartless and inconsiderate! Have you the slightest idea what prisoners of war go through?
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bixie
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my common sense is tingling!
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posted April 05, 2007 06:17 PM |
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sorry for offending people.
agreed, they did show exceptional courage for going through this, as every prisoner of war does (i've been to the Kwai bridge and the camps there, along with Auschwitz).
however, compared to the Iranian soldiers given back to iran, which were top demolition and explosives experts, all of them sergeants, the navy privates weren't much compared. yes, they are still humans and still have feelings, but in terms of rank and skill, they weren't as vital (but still important) as, say, an army general.
maybe i was a bit of an idiot for saying that.
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Geny
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posted April 05, 2007 06:31 PM |
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Sorry, bixie, but this is bullsh*t!
Usually when ONE of our soldiers, not matter the rank, gets captured we release hundreds of our prisoners, knowing that each and every one of them is a potential walking bomb!!
Human life is priceless, and its better to save 15 lives now than to think that MAYBE you'll save more later. Anyway, trust me - they have plenty of officers, 5 more won't make the difference.
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bixie
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my common sense is tingling!
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posted April 06, 2007 10:16 AM |
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*staples paper with idiot written on it onto forehead*
yep, i am.
sometimes, things just blurt out, and i don't mean what i say. i still do believe that this is going to happen again.
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Valentin
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grr
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posted April 08, 2007 09:23 AM |
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Edited by Valentin at 09:25, 08 Apr 2007.
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If Iran has no transcontinental Nuclear wepans, I hope USA and united nations will attack them as soon as possible, +/- acception of "mother" Russia. The totalitarian, (especially religion fundamental tatalitarian moslems), must be gone of the face of world. I prefer preventitive attack.
Not acception of Russia is possible because Russian now is almost totalitaran country.
The story with North Korea must not happen again (totalitarian with Nuclear wepon).
For the third world war, we must have confrontation between USA,EU,Russia,China or India. All other is a local war.
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GenieLord
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posted April 08, 2007 09:35 AM |
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I would like to update you:
The british soldiers were release for a lot of money, something about 100 million dollars.
The story is ended... for meanwhile.
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Colonel_here
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posted April 09, 2007 05:32 AM |
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Overall I see the release of British soldiers as a good thing. Whether the government of UK payed with cash or released prisoners that doesn't matter. Their goal is to look out for wellfare of its own people, that includes soldiers. I don't think that better relations with Iran would really be such a bad thing.
As for the attack on Iran, well if the government of US or any other nation that want to attack will see that such a war is for benefit of its own people that it should do it.
As for Russia being a toletarian country well they might need that. In my studies I have noticed that only countries that had governments close to totaletarian regimes were able to rebuild themselves in few decades. I believe democracies do not work always.
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Valentin
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grr
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posted April 09, 2007 10:29 AM |
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Overall I see the release of British soldiers as a good thing. Whether the government of UK payed with cash or released prisoners that doesn't matter. Their goal is to look out for wellfare of its own people, that includes soldiers. I don't think that better relations with Iran would really be such a bad thing.
As for the attack on Iran, well if the government of US or any other nation that want to attack will see that such a war is for benefit of its own people that it should do it.
As for Russia being a toletarian country well they might need that. In my studies I have noticed that only countries that had governments close to totaletarian regimes were able to rebuild themselves in few decades. I believe democracies do not work always.
At the end of your post, you are right about totalitarian regimes. 1)But dont forget - after a second world war, Russia rebuild about 45 years 2) The constitution and political system in Russia today dont give them a chance to have good pluralism.
3)As big is a country, as bigger are the iconomic interest + as hard is to have "real democracy", - I understand that , but Russia is not trying.
4) In that country journalist are killing (Anna Politkovskaq etc.), there is no freedom of speach.
5)etc.
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Colonel_here
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posted April 09, 2007 07:23 PM |
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Actually Soviet Union was good by 1960s and everything was completely fine by 1970s. So it was not 45 years. I am not saying that Russia needs now democracy, it could be better off how it is right now.
Examples:
Singapore - after in 1970s the British left was a wrek. Led by a same party with the same Prime Minister they rise up now to be one of the best economies. The opponents of the party and prime minister are harased, constantly sued and jailed. Yet Singapore has huge social programs and people are living a good lifestyle.
The government no longer sees it fit to invest into its own country because they say that there is no room for growth inside of Singapore but rather helps its companies by investing into countries they are spreading out in.
China - communist party absolute rule. They are on the roll right now. The economy is booming and the lifestyle is improving.
The other of the so called "Tigers" are also been led by single party systems and only recently starting to change.
Sometimes you need a steady hand in order to accomplish things. If every so often a new guy comes in and just goes in other direction than there would not be any progress. When you have too many people screaming their heads off with their own opinions you won't get any consensus or progress.
You can have democracy but only when the economy and the country is stable. Russia is far from it.
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SirDunco
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posted April 10, 2007 12:42 PM |
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Actually Soviet Union was good by 1960s and everything was completely fine by 1970s. So it was not 45 years. I am not saying that Russia needs now democracy, it could be better off how it is right now.
You can have democracy but only when the economy and the country is stable. Russia is far from it.
You have got to be kidding. Russia was good by the 1960's? And everything fine by 1970's? Where were you? Honestly, please do you know anything at all about the situation in Russia in those years, about it's history and political system? Because it sure does not look that way.
Oh sure you could say that the mass slaughterings of the Stalin era where gone and therefore everything is just A-OK.
The truth is that USSR was a totalitarian, practically fascist, state. Does the name Leonid Brezhnev ring a bell? You cannot talk about the 60's and 70's in the USSR, without leaving him out.
Perhaps the Russian people are not ready for self-government, but leaving the country in the hands of people like Putin and other, even worse people(ever heard of Vladimir Zirinovski?) is not an option. Things in Russia are going from bad to worse, and one can only stop to wonder what could possibly turn them around.
As to your other statement that I have picked out... Democracy, is not a thing of economy, but rather a state of the mind of society. A capitalist economy can function very well in a totalitarian state, as was proven many times before.
I agree that the country has to be stable, which Russia definitely is not and a lot has to be done in order for it to progress.
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Colonel_here
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posted April 10, 2007 06:09 PM |
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It was totelatarian fascist state eh? Really?
People all had good housing, free education in schools and universitites. Universal health care.
Damn things were bad.
Every year anybody could send their kids to summer camps on the Black sea (analogical to wacation in carrebean or medeterenean). Resorts had same all you can eat style of buffet. Libraries, massage parlors, anything you find in the resorts today was there and all for free.
For adults trips cost something but not the prices they could not afford. Vacations lasted a month.
Things were extremely terrible.
Crime was low, there were no gang or gang activity in most of Soviet Union.
People could travel (Contrary to what often is told), yes trips to capitalist coutnries were rare but they were there. You could travel to Turkey, Egypt and other Asian countries. You could travel easily to any Warsaw pack nation.
So what I could not go into politics. Did I care those days, no. Living was good so why burdne yourself with politics.
But Democracy brought the following
Lifestyle deterorated, Illeteracy is on the rise, people can't afford to buy food nothing to say about travelling. Only rich can now go to Black Sea resorts because they charge so much now. To get a good education you have to pay now. Crime is high and gangs and neo-Nazis are on the rise.
Things are way better now.
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Geny
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posted April 10, 2007 06:48 PM |
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You know what, Colonel? You're right - everything you could by get in USSR was practically for free. You know what the problem was? That "everything" in USSR meant almost nothing.
Sure, they had vacations, health care and education ..... but what good is your education if you can't buy any food in the store?
Sure, there was no crime ..... because there was nothing to steal.
Yep, life was good...
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Colonel_here
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posted April 10, 2007 08:25 PM |
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You know what, Colonel? You're right - everything you could by get in USSR was practically for free. You know what the problem was? That "everything" in USSR meant almost nothing.
Sure, they had vacations, health care and education ..... but what good is your education if you can't buy any food in the store?
Sure, there was no crime ..... because there was nothing to steal.
Yep, life was good...
The food shortages in Soviet Union only started in late 1980s because of Gorbachev attempts to reform the economy. There were also problems with food and products right after WWII but not during what is called the Golden Era of Soviet Union 60s and 70s.
There was no food shortages or problems with products.
Yes some exotic fruits were missing from the stores such as pineapples, maybe there was no 20 brands of ketchup on the shelfs, but people did not starve.
Today there are all types of food both garbage and quality on the shelves of supermarkets in Russia but the prices are unaccesible.
Gangs did not exist because there were tons of extra curricular activities for kids that were free. Some things such as Soviet Union's boyscout analogy were compulsary but at least that made sure that the kids were spending time not on the streets or in the malls (buying something else useless) but doing something that developed creativity, logical thinking and other skills.
Crime was low because there were no people in need. Crime is high usually not because people have something to steal but because their lifestyle forces them into crime. A lot of common criminals come from lower levels of society because they see crime as the only answer to getting food on the table.
Soviet Union had huge social programs that helped poor to get out of poverty.
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SirDunco
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posted April 11, 2007 09:18 AM |
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It was totelatarian fascist state eh? Really?
Yes it was. The USSR was a country run by the Communist party, the Secret Police and the Army. Freedom of speech did not exist and so didnt any of the other freedoms that are related to it.
The terribly-monumental state apparatus tried to control every aspect of life, destroying free choice and therefore a free life.
The so called communists ruling the country tried to clean out all opposition be it left or right. For the filthy rich of the czarist era I have no sympathy, but they were but the top of the iceberg. Many people were sent to their deaths, be it shop owners, somewhat wealthier peasants or anyone who expressed their discontent and showed their free thought publicly. But the Bolshevik machine also massacred within their own ranks, Social Democrats, Socialists, Reformist(or any true) Communists and Anarchists(Heard of the Kronstadt Rebellion?) Sure you could argue that by the 1960's and 70's these practices were abandoned. But the regime you defend built on these deeds by their predecessor.
Also the Neo-Stalinist ruling of Brezhnev and company didn't have the need for mass killings anymore, instead those expressing free will we pushed to the edge of society.
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But Democracy brought the following
Lifestyle deterorated, Illeteracy is on the rise, people can't afford to buy food nothing to say about travelling. Only rich can now go to Black Sea resorts because they charge so much now. To get a good education you have to pay now. Crime is high and gangs and neo-Nazis are on the rise.
Things are way better now.
You believe that Russia is a democracy under Czar Vlad? Please... It wasn't a transition to "democracy" if one could call it so, it was the rapid change into a capitalist based society with an authoritarian political system.
But I agree with you that the situation is deteriorating horribly and at an alarming rate. The Nazi-scum are a very good example of what has happened in Russia. I have seen things from Russia that sent shivers down my spine and left me terrified(I'm talking Format 18 and Russian KKK type things). But again these things don't come out from nowhere. The formers "communist" regime can be the blame, since it never eradicated racism from society, especially antisemitism.
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You're right - everything you could by get in USSR was practically for free. You know what the problem was? That "everything" in USSR meant almost nothing.
Sure, they had vacations, health care and education ..... but what good is your education if you can't buy any food in the store?
Sure, there was no crime ..... because there was nothing to steal.
Yep, life was good...
Not exactly correct. The social program in the USSR was really good in many aspects. Free health care, the low prices, the free(but manipulated) education system had their charm.
Food shortages in the USSR sometimes did occur, not just after the WWII, when massive famines leaving millions dead occurred.
But the situation in the 60's was different, but not great. Shortages of many things, not just food(but it was not mostly food) were a normal thing.
As to traveling. You could travel, but Russia had one of the toughest policies on travel, from the Soviet block. The DDR or Czechoslovakia were in a much better situation. But the again the situation here during the Bolshevik rule was better than in Russia, in all aspects. USSR was in a worse situation then it's satellite states.
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