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posted June 26, 2007 10:24 PM |
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Yeah.
But there's always dragons....
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posted June 27, 2007 01:52 PM |
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Listen tom me - NOT DRAGONS but SERPENTS beeng upgraded to WYVERNS and 6th tier orkish unit will simply have a pao-kai for it's standart form. Mayby a basilisk as a giant snake will be the Serpent alternative upgrade. Besides If it is 4nagas, 2freaks, and 1dragon(the serpent) fine how about a naga with separ/halebard for lvl1, one with many hands and a sword in each hand like in H4 for Lvl2, A naga archer that will have wings, but will still have a small movement range - they are sort of decorative for Lvl3, A hypocampos for Lvl4 and a naga priest(ess) for Lvl5, some other freak for Lvl6 and the Serpent/wyvern/basilisk for Lvl7
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posted June 28, 2007 01:52 PM |
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I still say less actual Nagas. Instead of the Winged one, how about Medusa? She's very similar.
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posted June 28, 2007 04:43 PM |
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Fine but atleast let her be Gorgon - not Medsa I'm begging you. Oh, and pls. propose a freak for lvl6
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posted June 28, 2007 10:22 PM |
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Call them monsters, and how about wyrms?
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posted June 29, 2007 11:00 AM |
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Wyvern is one of the upgrades for serpent nad the other is basilisk. We need a monster for lvl6 and Maybe that should be the gorgon(the H3 medusa, not the H3 gorgon but named gorgon) but with some changes and the lvl3 is again a winged naga archer. Think of it this is the optimal version - 4xNaga+2xFreak*+1xDragonlike=Cool Naga Town
EDIT: *monster, sorry
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posted June 29, 2007 01:22 PM |
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Still too many Nagas.
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posted June 29, 2007 02:34 PM |
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Why  4's cool. That is like saying that there are tweo many dwarves in fortress, too many humans in hevan, two many dark elves in dungeon and so on - I think you are still thinking of nagas as of a creature, not a race and are not realyready to exept them - the sea snake-elve race, NOT the swamp reptile race
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posted June 30, 2007 12:22 AM |
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uh, no, I just think that a town should have no more than 3 of the core race, with an option on a rider, but no more than that. Since there is no nonclonky rider unit possible for the Nagas due to the whole long tail based thingy, so that's out. A shooter, a caster, and a melee or tank unit is all.
And I do think there are too many Dwarves in the Fortess, and the Haven could loose a Human or two.
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posted June 30, 2007 12:26 AM |
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Well i always count the riders a part of the core race and think 4 is just fine. What's wrong with 4 Actually even in school 4 is a lot better then 3 . and it is also better in mamy cases. Why should it be worse then 3 when speaking about creatures It's more fun to have a party with 4 people then 3 and so on....
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posted June 30, 2007 12:54 AM |
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yeah, but that means less diveresity.
Also, it cracked me up when you were like "You're not ready to accept Nagas as a race yet!"
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posted June 30, 2007 02:19 PM |
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Well, I beg you pardon but that is what it was starting to look like to me. First of all that's why they are a CORE race - 4 units atleast (there are 5 in hevan, 7 in inferno, 4 in sylvan, 5 in dungeon, 7 in necropolis, 4 in bastion, and 1 in academy but that's only because it fits with the idea of a nation of wizards each of wich having tens of magival servents, oh and fortress6), and why do we need the old fortress and dungeon rptilian freaks? Okay, I agree of the wyvern beeng one of the upgrades for serpent and a basilisk as a giant snake be the alternative and then we have four naga units each of them beengunic somehow - we have a naga spierman/pikeman/halebardier, then a naga swordsman with many arms and holding a sword in ech hand, and the winged nagaa archer (his wings are artificial (like the angelwings artefact) and symbolise his position in the army) then a hypokampos - a freak that would be ridable ifnags could ride anything to replace cavalery, then a naga caster and some other freak - 4xNaga+2xFreak+1xDragonlike.
Anyway I didn't mean to offend you.
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Pls let me call them freaks.
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4 units atleast (there are 5 in hevan, 7 in inferno, 4 in sylvan, 5 in dungeon, 7 in necropolis, 4 in bastion, and 1 in academy
4+1 in Haven, one is a rider. Too Much
0/1 in Inferno, because none are the same species, and thus there is no core race. They are all demons, but there is not one species of demon that is at the core.
3 in Sylvan. Dancer, Hunter, Druid. Not sure what you got confuzzled on.
3+1 in Dungeon: Assassin, Matriarch, Maiden, + Rider. border line too much, but there was creativity involved so I will give some leeway.
0/2/1/1 in Necropolis, because the core race is kindof sketchy. If it were reanimated Skeletons/Liches, there would be only two, Zombies only one, and Vampires only 1. Ghosts and such aren't really a race because they have no known species.
3 1/2 in Bastion, though technically 4. Warrior, Shaman, and Cheiftan are all orcs, though they may have been made from different demons so that's kinda sketchy. Centaurs are also Orcs, but that is only if one knows the mythology, so It is okay in my opinion. Plus that's a really original idea.
1 in acadamy.
You didn't offend me, and feel free to call them freaks.
My problem is, why would a naga, a member of a race of see dwellers (refference: "Under da Sea!") need wings at all, when they can swim perfectally fine? The wings would just get in the way, would they not?
Actually your combination of Naga units would be fine, just replace the archer with a Medusa/Gorgon, who can shoot and stone people. It makes sense that a powerful unit like that should be a shooter because she would not use her power as much.
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posted June 30, 2007 03:41 PM |
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4 units atleast (there are 5 in hevan, 7 in inferno, 4 in sylvan, 5 in dungeon, 7 in necropolis, 4 in bastion, and 1 in academy
4+1 in Haven, one is a rider. Too Much
0/1 in Inferno, because none are the same species, and thus there is no core race. They are all demons, but there is not one species of demon that is at the core.
3 in Sylvan. Dancer, Hunter, Druid. Not sure what you got confuzzled on.
3+1 in Dungeon: Assassin, Matriarch, Maiden, + Rider. border line too much, but there was creativity involved so I will give some leeway.
0/2/1/1 in Necropolis, because the core race is kindof sketchy. If it were reanimated Skeletons/Liches, there would be only two, Zombies only one, and Vampires only 1. Ghosts and such aren't really a race because they have no known species.
3 1/2 in Bastion, though technically 4. Warrior, Shaman, and Cheiftan are all orcs, though they may have been made from different demons so that's kinda sketchy. Centaurs are also Orcs, but that is only if one knows the mythology, so It is okay in my opinion. Plus that's a really original idea.
1 in acadamy.
You didn't offend me, and feel free to call them freaks.
My problem is, why would a naga, a member of a race of see dwellers (refference: "Under da Sea!") need wings at all, when they can swim perfectally fine? The wings would just get in the way, would they not?
Actually your combination of Naga units would be fine, just replace the archer with a Medusa/Gorgon, who can shoot and stone people. It makes sense that a powerful unit like that should be a shooter because she would not use her power as much.
First of all why the hell do you consider the rider a freak, not a part of the core race - this makes no sense. Second of all why do you not consider different demons different races - not different speices of a single race because they're all DEMONS. And same is for necros - they're all undead. Btw I had no idea we don't count the pixie an elf. Besides thatways we could say all of bastion are orcs - goblin probobly has some dwarf and some imp in itself, Other orcs are all humans and elves but having differnt demons as a second piece of themselves - for example centaur has some nightmare, chieftain not too shure, but shaman deffently has some sucubuss in her, mabe orc warrior has some horned overseer, who's horns have turned into teeth, and paokai is a dragon given demon blood. Only the cyclops has an unclear outcome so bastion - 6. Btw. I'm ready to give up the wings but not the 4 nagas - 4 - no more no less.
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Actually, the Goblin is a race all by itself, not made from demonic or human parts as far as we know. We don't know about the Pao Kai either. I doubt that the Wizards could fuse Dragons and Demons. they're too devinley mystical.
How about making the Medusa a Naga? I mean, this game has Centaurs as a type of orc, so yeah.
Also, It's just human and demon, there's no elf.
And I don't consider the rider a freak. I consider it half a freak. For instance, the Paladin is a human + a horse. The human is half of the creature, so you have half of a core race. The horse is a freak, and the other half of the creature.
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posted June 30, 2007 08:43 PM |
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Ok, medusas are going to be freaky nagas and will replace de archer naga I'm agreed but let them be gorgons - not medusas and propose a freak for lvl6.
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posted July 01, 2007 12:07 AM |
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and how about wyrms?
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posted July 01, 2007 11:09 AM |
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Isn't wyrm and wyvern the same
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posted July 01, 2007 02:19 PM |
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No. Wyverns:
Wyrms:
Wyrms do not have legs or wings.
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posted July 01, 2007 02:30 PM |
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That's going to be the serpent - wyverns just an upgrade and the other upgrade will be basilisk - bot serpent and basylisk are but giand snakes - isn't that what you mean saying wyrms.
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