|
| Thread: Are you happy with the H5 stonghold |  This thread is pages long: 1 2 3 4 5 6 · «PREV / NEXT» |
|
Lexxan
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Unimpressed by your logic
|
posted June 29, 2008 11:44 AM |
|
Edited by Lexxan at 11:46, 29 Jun 2008.
|
I myself am a fan of Shatter Destruction. I gave it to Gotai in TotE and he now has a very powerfull Fiery Wrath. Shatter Dark is nice too, as it leads to Corrupted Soil (a real overkill versus Inferno)
My usual Barbarian build is like this (generic Hero):
Attack
War Machines
Leadership
Luck
a Shatter skill (mostly Shatter Destructive, except versus Necro and Inferno => Dark)
Logistics
I can't give detail on the perks though, I'll need the skillwheel foor that and I'm writing this on my father's computer, onwhich H5 isn't installed. I'll add them later.
____________
Coincidence? I think not!!!!
|
|
emilsn
Legendary Hero
|
|
posted June 29, 2008 11:49 AM |
|
|
Shatter Destrucktion and dark are by far the most useful shatters there are, in terms of perks you get from them. They those you should take.
With Leadership, Att. and shatter dark or destrucktion - you got a powerhouse of angry orcs 
____________
Don't walk behind me; I may not
lead. Don't walk in front of me;
I may not follow. Just walk
beside me and be my friend.
|
|
Mytical
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Chaos seeking Harmony
|
|
posted June 29, 2008 11:54 AM |
|
Edited by Mytical at 12:01, 29 Jun 2008.
|
Well I would be willing to have a match with you espen15. Again I am not a very good player, but I have to say that Stronghold is anything but weak  . Sure as guardians/creeps (whatever you call them) and no hero they are kinda weak, but with the heroes they are a force .
Some perks I can remember off hand.
Leadership - Recruitment - Battle Elation.
Logistics - Tactics - Aura of swiftness (?)
Attack - Archery - Flaming Balista
War_Machines - (Two different ones both good) Balista - Tripple balista and either Tent OR Catapult
With Luck there are a couple ways to go but perks are not exactly needed. One is Resourcefulness and MR with Barbarians Luck. The other is Soldiers luck, MR and Barbarians luck. Or Resourcefulness, MR, and Soldiers luck (not the best way to go tho).
However Defense can be interesting and a suprise for the enemy. With Evasion it can help creeping a lot.
____________
Message received.
|
|
Lexxan
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Unimpressed by your logic
|
|
posted June 29, 2008 12:00 PM |
|
|
I agree.
I usually go for Destructive => Fiery Wrath/Mana Burst unless one of the following occurs:
1) My main Hero is Kragh
2) My opponent is Necropolis
3) My opponent is Inferno
4) the enemy Hero is Faiz
In all those cases I prefer Dark => Corrupt Soil/Weakening Strike
Light is average (saved by the "Refined Mana-Sky daughter-combo") and Summoning is downright weak (choosing this only for Fog Veil is sheer madness)
____________
Coincidence? I think not!!!!
|
|
Mytical
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Chaos seeking Harmony
|
|
posted June 29, 2008 12:05 PM |
|
|
War_Machines..tent or Catapult (Stronghold) and why.
Tent if early, for creeping. Cuts down on losses.
Catapult if mid-late game. Simple, with one flyer and one ranged creature, the object is to knock down the walls FAST. Catapult helps that. Sure some Cyclops help can be useful, but this will help get your troops into the door
____________
Message received.
|
|
espen15
Famous Hero
|
|
posted June 29, 2008 01:57 PM |
|
|
i had never want to play custom game with stronghold faction because it hasnīt potential i mean no spells, too slow, no speed, no creatures that i would want to put into the dream team, barbarians are out of their league. 
|
|
Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
|
|
posted June 29, 2008 02:11 PM |
|
|
Omg noob alert! They are actually amongst the top factions both early and lategame.
____________
H5 is still alive and kicking, join us in the Duel Map discord server!
Map also hosted on Moddb
|
|
espen15
Famous Hero
|
|
posted June 29, 2008 02:17 PM |
|
|
Quote:
Omg noob alert! They are actually amongst the top factions both early and lategame.
how so? i really canīt understand that
|
|
Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
|
|
posted June 29, 2008 02:19 PM |
|
|
You may find the playing stronghold faction an interesting read then. Look it up in the table of contents.
____________
H5 is still alive and kicking, join us in the Duel Map discord server!
Map also hosted on Moddb
|
|
espen15
Famous Hero
|
|
posted June 29, 2008 02:30 PM |
|
|
still it havenīt the potential. some useless warcries wonīt make stronghold the top faction in the game or shatter magics- you even donīt know what magic skills enemy hero will take and if you take all shatters then barbarian just will be weak and useless, still untamed cyclops will kill their own creatures with crushing blows every tier of stronghold creatures 1 up to 7 wonīt make that faction good in early and in the late.
|
|
Mytical
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Chaos seeking Harmony
|
|
posted June 29, 2008 02:32 PM |
|
|
Well everybody is entitled to their own opinon. Still, have a match with me, you can have any town. Random map. . If Stronghold is so weak, you should run right over me as I am not the best player.
____________
Message received.
|
|
espen15
Famous Hero
|
|
posted June 29, 2008 02:34 PM |
|
Edited by espen15 at 14:49, 29 Jun 2008.
|
Quote:
Well everybody is entitled to their own opinon. Still, have a match with me, you can have any town. Random map. . If Stronghold is so weak, you should run right over me as I am not the best player.
random map eh.Fair would be computer made of map and run right over isnīt the best tactic. 
|
|
WarLore
Famous Hero
servant of urgash
|
|
posted June 29, 2008 03:29 PM |
|
Edited by WarLore at 15:31, 29 Jun 2008.
|
Quote:
When facing Necromancers it is absolutely essential to get shatter dark if it shows up. Then just concentrate on maxing it out and getting: Detain Dark, Corrupt Dark, and I 'think' weaken dark (perhaps shrug dark?..can't remember). Don't worry about corrupted soil. Get tactics and aura of speed (the one that gives +1 speed). I don't think fear my roar works on them, so Battle Cry, Rallycry, or Word of the Chief the cyclops. Even if they frenzy you should be ok because they are already on the other side..and PM lasts 1 turn at most.
Even if they cast mass spells Detain makes it a whole action instead of half. Then you can use your shammies to undo any slow on your fastest creatures. Sadly this eats up at least six skill points, but helps a whole lot.
Edit: With Might over magic and the one that reduces the spellpower by 25% any dark spells they cast won't last long. And if they use light spells..you don't have to worry too much about it, just makes things a little more even as your creatures are a bit stronger and faster.
true,even duration 5-10turns can be very destructive,and PM turn or two duration is enough if you cast it on cyclops or excicutioners
"how so? i really canīt understand that" it seems so you are addicted to magic .you need magic to survive
____________
A Nightmare from below.A hero from Within
|
|
Thanatos
Known Hero
|
|
posted June 29, 2008 06:39 PM |
|
|
Quote:
still it havenīt the potential. some useless warcries wonīt make stronghold the top faction in the game or shatter magics- you even donīt know what magic skills enemy hero will take and if you take all shatters then barbarian just will be weak and useless, still untamed cyclops will kill their own creatures with crushing blows every tier of stronghold creatures 1 up to 7 wonīt make that faction good in early and in the late.
You can predict what kind of magic the enemy hero will take quite well. You won't see many knights with destructive or runemages with dark magic, and each and every necromancer is going to have dark vs. stronghold. The only faction that is tough to predict would be academy, as they can be good with any magic school.
|
|
espen15
Famous Hero
|
|
posted July 01, 2008 03:37 PM |
|
|
|
Orcs need magic too to survive or else they get defeated. In heroic difficulty on map "A survival war" i can defeat stronghold faction playing computer more easily than the other factions and if i play with stronghold i can win computer only if i play on normal.
|
|
winterfate
Supreme Hero
Water-marked Champion!
|
|
posted July 02, 2008 07:02 AM |
|
|
@espen15: *sigh*
Haggash + Triple Flaming Ballista + Chieftains + Centaurs
Use that and go beat up some Hard AI's for me, then come back and tell me that they suck.
____________
If you supposedly care about someone, then don't push them out of your life. Acting like you're not doing it doesn't exempt you from what I just said. - Winterfate
|
|
Mytical
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Chaos seeking Harmony
|
|
posted July 02, 2008 07:13 AM |
|
Edited by Mytical at 07:15, 02 Jul 2008.
|
Can't really go by AI. It makes some rather odd mistakes. Human enemies are much tougher. Mostly I think you are going about Stronghold wrong if you are having trouble playing as them. They were designed to let new players play competively (imo).
Orcs have a bit of magic...they are called shouts and shamans. They counter magic by shatter magic skills. Here is a couple of secrets with Stronghold. Light (except perhaps Divine Vengance) is not a major concern for them. When they are at full rage their enemy using light just evens the playing field.
Destruction (with the exception of maybe Dungeon) is not a major concern either. It does damage, rage absorbs damage..they can start with up to 150 rage with just having Memory of our blood and one certain building in one town (with bloodfire). Not to mention if they get Ultimate Rage (500 or 750 rage at the beginning of battle). So destruction is not a huge concern for them.
That leaves one nasty, and one sort of nasty spell school.
Dark..and if the enemy has ANY possibility of having dark a stronghold player will take Shatter dark...and summons.
Summons main threat for them is phoenixes. 4 points and they don't have to worry about that much (expert shatter summons and exorcism).
Elementals and phantom forces can easily be handled.
Now Dark is a bit harder for them, and takes 6 points to hamper, but 9 times out of10 they are going to take these if offered.
With Corrupt, Weaken, and Detain (along with Might over magic) dark spells will not be very effective against them.
Don't get me wrong however. Shatter Destruction is also useful. Especially to help creeping or as Lexxan said
____________
Message received.
|
|
winterfate
Supreme Hero
Water-marked Champion!
|
|
posted July 02, 2008 07:21 AM |
|
|
@Misty: Well said!
But, he should go one step at a time. If he gets beat up by a human player while playing Stronghold, he'll just have another reason to say they suck.
That's why I mentioned the Hard AI's.
EDIT:
@Misty: Oh you meant what he said? 
Um...yeah. Well, the computer doesn't know how to use Orcs at all. It charges Chieftains to the front lines in the first turn, which has got to be one of the most idiotic moves of all time. Commanding Presence doesn't do you much good if there's no one next to the Chieftains. 
____________
If you supposedly care about someone, then don't push them out of your life. Acting like you're not doing it doesn't exempt you from what I just said. - Winterfate
|
|
Mytical
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Chaos seeking Harmony
|
|
posted July 02, 2008 07:32 AM |
|
|
Yes and Chieftains are better spent using Word of the Cheif on Cylcops
____________
Message received.
|
|
podz
Hired Hero
Armageddons blade will return!
|
|
posted July 08, 2008 03:17 PM |
|
|
i just want to say one thing
if you do the proper balister upgrades and with a range specalty hero it is umbelievebly good
|
|
|
|
