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watcher83
Supreme Hero
Child of Malassa
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posted June 16, 2007 11:04 PM |
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the wardancer is way better than the plague zombie or horned overseer, and equal to most of tier2 units except of course the fury
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SwampLord
Supreme Hero
Lord of the Swamp
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posted June 17, 2007 02:30 AM |
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Wardancer does need something, yes. But this is to discuss the new upgrades, and Blade Singer's special seems appropriate.
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Orfinn
Supreme Hero
Werewolf Duke
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posted June 17, 2007 05:08 PM |
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Indeed. The War Dancer could get two more in defense or attack and one in either speed or initiative, that would balance it a bit...I relly dont know.
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newlyhonored
Tavern Dweller
what is this you speak of?
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posted June 18, 2007 01:56 AM |
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7) Arch Demon�s ability �Summon Other� will allow him to choose any creature in the radius of his movement area. Chosen target will teleport near the Arch demon stack in tile, which will be the closest to the direction of previous position.
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Umm, what is that good for..? If you want pit spawns to fight, use tele assault.. >_> The rest of demon army is high-initiative AND speed.. underpowered.
it doesn't say it only affects allies
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SwampLord
Supreme Hero
Lord of the Swamp
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posted June 18, 2007 01:59 AM |
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It'll be very nice for sieges, you just teleport outside, pull the archers outside, and your fliers/teleporters can't get swarmed by the entire enemy army.
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They can take my swamp, they can take my town, but they will never take my FREEDOM!
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newlyhonored
Tavern Dweller
what is this you speak of?
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posted June 18, 2007 02:12 AM |
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also banshees ability isnt' affected by numbers
stack splitting anyone?
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Markal
Tavern Dweller
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posted July 09, 2007 01:21 PM |
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Sharpshooters?What if the chance of ignoring the stacks defense is 20 or 15 percent?That would not be that overpowered and really the stats of the sharpshooter should be lowered so it can be compared to the master hunter.And seduce I think should not be able to be cleansed.Why? Because
its a ability not a spell and maybe it depends in the creature stack which tier creatures can be seduced.
PS.the factions are getting more interesting and non of them is underpowered.
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Sanyu
Known Hero
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posted July 09, 2007 03:38 PM |
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Edited by Sanyu at 15:39, 09 Jul 2007.
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also banshees ability isnt' affected by numbers
stack splitting anyone?
dont worry about that; in H3, splitting devils or bone dragons wont make a difference, the total is still at -1 luck/morale to the enemy...
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Rakacha
Hired Hero
Selfproclaimed Dragonlord
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posted July 14, 2007 08:27 PM |
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Seems that deflect missile will become more used, even when there is less new shooters 
some of these new creature abilities seems either under or overpowered, but i trust nival that they know what they are doing.
And to those who freaks out *coughdoomforgechoughcough!* because of the sharpshooters, succubus temptress, and obsidian golems abilities, remember that there will also be and come new tactics to counter these abilities.
In short, its not how good abilities they have, but how you use them
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Azagal
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Smooth Snake
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posted July 14, 2007 08:38 PM |
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Seems that deflect missile will become more used, even when there is less new shooters
some of these new creature abilities seems either under or overpowered, but i trust nival that they know what they are doing.
And to those who freaks out *coughdoomforgechoughcough!* because of the sharpshooters, succubus temptress, and obsidian golems abilities, remember that there will also be and come new tactics to counter these abilities.
In short, its not how good abilities they have, but how you use them
it want to see how you manage to "counter tactic" a horde of paladins puppeted by a tier 4 unit.... or a a shot that ignores 75% of your defense without penalty before you'll even be able to think deflect missle.... no my friend there are abilities that will be ridicolous (sharpshooter) no matter how genius your counter tactics will be
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alcibiades
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
of Gold Dragons
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posted July 14, 2007 08:48 PM |
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... or a a shot that ignores 75% of your defense without penalty before you'll even be able to think deflect missle.... no my friend there are abilities that will be ridicolous (sharpshooter) no matter how genius your counter tactics will be
Once again, it should be said that we need to know the exact details on the new abilities. Nival has actually been pretty good in balancing the new units, and I will assume there will be some condition on the Seduce ability, such as Target HP < Succubus Temptress HP. Also, we have not have confirmation on the 75 % defence ignoring shots of the Sharpshooters. The official information provides no reason to believe this unit does other than ignore range and push back target; so the 75 % Defence reduction might be a misunderstanding.
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What will happen now?
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Rakacha
Hired Hero
Selfproclaimed Dragonlord
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posted July 14, 2007 08:53 PM |
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Seems that deflect missile will become more used, even when there is less new shooters
some of these new creature abilities seems either under or overpowered, but i trust nival that they know what they are doing.
And to those who freaks out *coughdoomforgechoughcough!* because of the sharpshooters, succubus temptress, and obsidian golems abilities, remember that there will also be and come new tactics to counter these abilities.
In short, its not how good abilities they have, but how you use them
it want to see how you manage to "counter tactic" a horde of paladins puppeted by a tier 4 unit.... or a a shot that ignores 75% of your defense without penalty before you'll even be able to think deflect missle.... no my friend there are abilities that will be ridicolous (sharpshooter) no matter how genius your counter tactics will be
First of all, sharpshooters are still shooters, and can therefore be tied up by creature like dragons, riders and other fast units, before they can deal to much dammage.
The seduce is probably not as good as it sounds, and it can only be used once per. battle, and i am guessing that a cleasing would be able to remove it. And who does use destructive spells on golems anyway? in the end, there is always a tactic that can counter the abilities.
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alcibiades
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
of Gold Dragons
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posted July 14, 2007 08:59 PM |
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Well, considering that Puppet Master is easily the most powerfull spell in the game, handing it to a level 4 unit unconditionally is overpowered, even if you can only use it once per game. Imagine a stack of Elder Druids with Implosion in their spellbook to get the picture. 
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Rakacha
Hired Hero
Selfproclaimed Dragonlord
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posted July 14, 2007 09:02 PM |
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Well, considering that Puppet Master is easily the most powerfull spell in the game, handing it to a level 4 unit unconditionally is overpowered, even if you can only use it once per game. Imagine a stack of Elder Druids with Implosion in their spellbook to get the picture.
 Godbye any creature whitout imunnity to magic or earth.
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alcibiades
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
of Gold Dragons
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posted July 14, 2007 09:05 PM |
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Well yes, exactly - of course, you could counter it, just like you will be able to counter 100 Sharpshooters easily with 100 Black Dragons, but that does not change the fact that No Range Penalty + 75 Defence Reduction would be blatantly unballanced.
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Rakacha
Hired Hero
Selfproclaimed Dragonlord
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posted July 14, 2007 09:09 PM |
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Edited by Rakacha at 21:10, 14 Jul 2007.
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Well yes, exactly - of course, you could counter it, just like you will be able to counter 100 Sharpshooters easily with 100 Black Dragons, but that does not change the fact that No Range Penalty + 75 Defence Reduction would be blatantly unballanced.
as i said before, i trust that nival knows what they are doing, or maybe its just a translation error. Noone really knows untill the game is published.
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