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Serpent2
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posted July 13, 2007 03:30 PM |
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LOTR, Simarilion and so on.
Hi guys, I wanted to ask if there are Tolkin fans at the forum and especialy ones concerned in what a piece of bulsnow LOTR the movie is compared to the book
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posted July 13, 2007 03:42 PM |
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You never compare books to movies, because most of the time the movie just cannot be as good as the book it was based on. LOTR is no exception, however in itself the movie was very good.
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posted July 13, 2007 04:15 PM |
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Well, It's never a good Idea to make a movie based on a book if yoou ask me (I can only emagine what would the silmarilion movie be like).
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posted July 13, 2007 06:02 PM |
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Well imo the LOTR movies are the best 3 movies I've watched. The LOTR books are the some of the best books I've ever read.
I don't lump things like books, movies and games together because it's like comparing apples and oranges. World of Warcraft for the 2 years I played it beat the tar out of any book or movie I've ever experienced. As a matter of fact books and movies stink compared to any game.
As far as the simarilion goes, I've read the book three times and I still don't like it.
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posted July 13, 2007 07:05 PM |
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I don't lump things like books, movies and games together because it's like comparing apples and oranges. ... As a matter of fact books and movies stink compared to any game.
You just did what you said you don't do. 
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posted July 13, 2007 07:06 PM |
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No, movies based on a book can be good and it by no means a stupid thing to do. Fight club while a bit different was a very good movie imo.
But apart from the producer's limitations in budget and time you must take into account that if everything was in the movie it would be longer by some hours that is silly to even consider. Maybe in a tv series but never in a movie. Do not forget that the movie will feature certain actors, show certain scenery, have a distinctive music. While it usually loses some things it has other extras.
I liked the lotr movies but hated the second for what they did. I felt it had been butchered and stripped of it's good parts even if some scenes were breathtaking.
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posted July 13, 2007 08:42 PM |
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Well i`m huge Tolkin fan and i liked all his books and films,however i enjoyed books much more than films.
agree with elvin : changin plot can make me mad 
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silmarilion movie
well, that would be 12 hour movie
silmarilion is more like chronicle than a novel , but there are some good parts that could be filmed (The children of Hurin...) or the Hobbit is filmable too.
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As far as the simarilion goes, I've read the book three times and I still don't like it.
3 times?, why when you dont like it?
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posted July 13, 2007 08:59 PM |
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Could be because it doesn't have a focus or have a hero he cares about. I generally liked it but didn't read it twice, except for the world creation. I kinda liked it
I do remember some stories here and there but it could not captivate me as the lotr books. I remember I ended the third book 70 pages in an afternoon and the rest the next day  I occasionally get caught up in the plot and forget to stop reading!
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Geny
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posted July 13, 2007 09:06 PM |
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I generally liked it but didn't read it twice, except for the world creation. I kinda liked it
My thoughts exactly.
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I do remember some stories here and there but it could not captivate me as the lotr books.
It wasn't supposed to either. Those are just stories (some of them even unfinished) that Tolkien's son published after his father's death because he thought LOTR fans deserve to know more about Middle Earth's history.
There are 2 smaller tomes of stories. I've read one of them, I think it was called "unfinished tales". The second has a similiar name.
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posted July 13, 2007 09:22 PM |
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Edited by TDL at 21:26, 13 Jul 2007.
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silmarilion is more like chronicle than a novel , but there are some good parts that could be filmed (The children of Hurin...) or the Hobbit is filmable too.
Ahem, yes... And it will be out in 2009 or so tell the sources
(My Op: LotR even tho prized was a rather boring read, although entertaining... Film was greater for me... BUT Hobbit was better than they all as it was much lighter and beautiful...
Anyway, its unofficial expansion by one certain russian author (as i told multiple times already in various threads).
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Geny
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posted July 13, 2007 09:45 PM |
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Anyway, its unofficial expansion by one certain russian author (as i told multiple times already in various threads).
What is? Perumov's trilogy? (forgot the name of the books)
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posted July 13, 2007 10:09 PM |
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Yea, Perumov's trilogy... The most fascinating read for me...
Name's Ring of Darkness...
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Geny
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posted July 13, 2007 10:22 PM |
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I've read it. Perumov is a good writer, but his style is much more "aggressive" than Tolkien's and that somehow left me with the impression of a bit more shallow creation, even if it's not neccessarily true.
There is another Russian "sequel" to LOTR. It's called "The last Ringbearer" written by Kiril Yeskov. I've only read it once, but I would gladly read it again if I could get my hands on it. The storyline takes place more or less right after the end of the War of the Ring. What makes the book interesting is that it shows everything from the side of the "evil" creatures. And it really makes you wonder about an old truth - the history is written by the victor.
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posted July 13, 2007 10:28 PM |
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LOTR.. I like it and hate it at the same time.. I like it for the depth of the world, for the climatic dungeons (Moria rox.. seriously.. the best part of the book).. and I hate it for flat, one-dimensional characters, either pure as crystal or evil as hell.. all the evil actions are caused by the "ring corruption".. wtf.. Tolkien was such an idealist. People can be EVIL because they want to, too! ><
Still, only for the venture through the Moria part, I'd give the book a 10/10 rating. There are better fantasy books around, though.
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Serpent2
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posted July 13, 2007 10:28 PM |
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well that sounds cool but... well nobody coul write it like tolkin would - Too bad he always wrote his books from the point of view of a certain group of caracters and he always sort fo reprezants the "enemies" sort of worse then they were in silmarilion especially.
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Geny
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posted July 13, 2007 10:39 PM |
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either pure as crystal or evil as hell
Not everybody are like that. The best example is Denethor. He was a good and respected ruler. And you could still see it in the book (but not in the movie ), however the hardships of his life hardened his heart and eventually drove him mad.
Saruman was not directly corrupted by the Ring either, he just seeked power... now that I think of it the whole "ring corruption" is realy just a lust for power that awakens in every person who holds that power so it's not as simple as it may seem.
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posted July 14, 2007 01:50 AM |
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LOTR.. I like it and hate it at the same time.. I like it for the depth of the world, for the climatic dungeons (Moria rox.. seriously.. the best part of the book).. and I hate it for flat, one-dimensional characters, either pure as crystal or evil as hell.. all the evil actions are caused by the "ring corruption".. wtf.. Tolkien was such an idealist. People can be EVIL because they want to, too! ><
That's what made me like perumov's book... Geny read it and knows what freedom of choice is described down there...
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Serpent2
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posted July 14, 2007 08:23 AM |
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either pure as crystal or evil as hell
Not everybody are like that. The best example is Denethor. He was a good and respected ruler. And you could still see it in the book (but not in the movie), however the hardships of his life hardened his heart and eventually drove him mad.
Saruman was not directly corrupted by the Ring either, he just seeked power... now that I think of it the whole "ring corruption" is realy just a lust for power that awakens in every person who holds that power so it's not as simple as it may seem.
From tha point of view there were notgood and notevil characters in the silmarilion for example Hurin or Feanor and his sons.
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posted July 14, 2007 08:41 AM |
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I didn't meant silmarilion, it's kinda different.
In LOTR, it's more or less that way.
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posted July 14, 2007 01:25 PM |
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Hmm...
I've read Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit. I have also seen Lord of the Rings - the movie. I have also seen Lord of the Rings/The Hobbit - animated cartoon movies.
I don't think people should ever really compare books to their movies. The two are not created for the same purpose. The purpose of the book is not to get you to bring your girlfriend to a theater, buy candy/popcorn, and make millions of dollars. The purpose of the movie is not to sell copies in print. A book can be picked up, a few pages read, and then set down for another time. It doesn't seem likely that a person would go through all that trouble only to walk out 25 minutes into the show, while hoping to return at a later date in exactly the same spot he left. Movies feed an entertainment addictive culture. Books exercise the mind and fuel the imagination. Movies usurp the brain's functional capacity and leave you feeling hungry for more.
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