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Binabik
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posted August 06, 2007 09:12 PM |
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Rating Threads
Instead of discussing this in the other thread, I'll start a new thread in Tribunal.
This is something I've wanted to bring up for a while now. It seems to me that the ability to rate threads has been mis-used or even abused. I've noticed in the Other Side especially that people feel the need to rate every single thread. And it seems like half the time the person doing the rating either hasn't even read the thread, or they don't understand it. It seems like they just rate threads because they are bored.
The overuse of ratings just dilutes the purpose of it. IMO, the ratings and thread filters are completely useless the way it is.
I understand that people asked for and received a benefit for 5 stars, but it's being abused. If people want a benefit, they need to show some restraint when using it. They need to read and understand the thread before rating it. And they need to wait until there are more than 2-3 posts in order to see where it goes.
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angelito
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posted August 06, 2007 09:52 PM |
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I have to agree with Binabik here. The "Bible" thread was not the first example, as he already stated.
And only because someone is an "honorable" member, doesn't mean everything he/she is doing is accurate. As far as I remember, Sir_Stiven was an honorable member aswell.
So I repeat what I posted in the "bible" thread (will remove my posts there soon, coz they are off topic there):
Either make it visible for all, who rated the thread, or keep it for the Mods only.
And before the argument comes up again....a Mod earned the right to rate a thread at the day he gave away all his stars. He/she was not able to recieve any more stars from that point on, so this argument lacks a bit...
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Vlaad
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posted August 06, 2007 10:22 PM |
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Edited by Vlaad at 08:31, 07 Aug 2007.
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@ Binabik:
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The overuse of ratings just dilutes the purpose of it. IMO, the ratings and thread filters are completely useless the way it is.
I disagree. I like it better this way and find it useful.Quote:
I understand that people asked for and received a benefit for 5 stars, but it's being abused. If people want a benefit, they need to show some restraint when using it.
I agree.
On the other hand, in my opinion a lot of promising and responsible members should not abuse no flood protect and no post limit. A lot of people here... A LOT... should be reading more and writing less.
But that's just my opinion, and you know what they say about opinions and asses... 
Seriously though, I get your point. Nevertheless, I am thankful other honorable members have rated threads. Sometimes I don't have the time to read every single topic so I browse only the "interesting" and "inspiring" ones. Look, if a thread picks up and someone finds it worth reading, they will change the rating.
For example, I guess somebody thought Baklava's "Bible" was redundant - the topic had been discussed in two recent threads. In addition, most of the posts are chit-chat and average at best. If a mod or another honorable member disagrees, he'll says so (and he did).
Even if I don't agree with every rating, I get to see others' opinion.
Finally, I find it funny when TA and TnT rate threads in the Wastelands. 
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And only because someone is an "honorable" member, doesn't mean everything he/she is doing is accurate. As far as I remember, Sir_Stiven was an honorable member aswell.
And only because someone is a mod, it doesn't mean everything they are doing is accurate. As far as I remember, KittenAngel was a mod as well.
Someone rated the thread "to delete", but you didn't agree and changed it to "interesting". That's your idea of neutrality?Quote:
Either make it visible for all, who rated the thread, or keep it for the Mods only.
What's the point of making it public? What would we achieve? What if instead of more responsibility we end up with more hostility? Not to mention rating wars...
Seemingly off topic, I dislike the way some members use colors. It's illiterate and an eyesore. I feel the option is being misused or even abused.Quote:
And before the argument comes up again....a Mod earned the right to rate a thread at the day he gave away all his stars. He/she was not able to recieve any more stars from that point on, so this argument lacks a bit...
A mod is a job, not a title. A lot of people here have forgotten about that fact. I don't mean you, I think you are a good mod. However, it doesn't mean you have earned the benefits of an honorable member. Remember that some of mods will end up with 3 or 8 stars when they give up the sword, which is not enough to rate threads.
My suggestion is to introduce an additional rating system (blue stars or whatever). If I think a thread is "average", I will give it 2. If angelito thinks it's "interesting", he'll give it 4. The average score is 3. Fair enough?
This option already exists in most forums anyway.
To prevent the possible abuse, disable ratings for threads with less than, I dunno, 10 posts. That way every topic would get a chance.
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angelito
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posted August 06, 2007 10:55 PM |
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Edited by angelito at 22:59, 06 Aug 2007.
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And only because someone is a mod, it doesn't mean everything they are doing is accurate. As far as I remember, KittenAngel was a mod as well.
It was YOU who brought up the argument "an honorbale member rated...", not me.
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Someone rated the thread "to delete", but you didn't agree and changed it to "interesting". That's your idea of neutrality?
If a thread has 250 views short time after it has been created, I think it tends more to "interesting" than to "to delete", from a neutral point of view, don't u think so?
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What's the point of making it public? What would we achieve? What if instead of more responsibility we end up with more hostility? Not to mention rating wars...
Most people like to hide if they wanna make fun out of others. I am pretty sure this "honorbale" ratings will nearly stop when others are able to see who wanted to be funny.
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Seemingly off topic, I dislike the way some members use colors. It's illiterate and an eyesore. I feel the option is being misused or even abused.
Lol...what is next? using wrong smilies? What's wrong in emphasizing the main sentence in a text? Be it by using color, underlin, bolt....
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A mod is a job, not a title. A lot of people here have forgotten about that fact.
Correct...the title is "Hero of Order".
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However, it doesn't mean you have earned the benefits of an honorable member. Remember that some of mods will end up with 3 or 8 stars when they give up the sword, which is not enough to rate threads.
Seems u missed the main part of my post. I am a Mod for a pretty long time now. You really think I wouldn't have earned any more quality points at all the whole time if not being a Mod? Members earn +QP for helping making HC a better place due to posts/threads they create. If they do that often enough, they can become "honorbale". Mods are making HC a better place due the work they do here. Be it cleaning threads, peace keeping, giving newbies a helping hand, and so on. They just don't get rewarded for that.
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mvassilev
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posted August 06, 2007 11:03 PM |
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On the other hand, in my opinion a lot of promising and responsible members should not abuse no flood protect and no post limit. A lot of people here... A LOT... should be reading more and writing less.
If people posted less, there'd be less to read.
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For example, I guess somebody thought Baklava's "Bible" was redundant - the topic had been discussed in two recent threads.
I certainly thought it was redundant. Not that what he said there was unimportant, just there already was a thread for it.
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Vlaad
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posted August 06, 2007 11:38 PM |
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Edited by Vlaad at 23:45, 06 Aug 2007.
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It was YOU who brought up the argument "an honorbale member rated...", not me.
LOL It was you who posted this first: That's why I suggested to either give the "rating power" to Mods only... I replied to that, saying that rating threads is the only benefit of honorable members and that mods have not earned that right in the first place.
You answered in your first post in this thread. The sentence you just quoted was my reply to that post. Quote:
If a thread has 250 views short time after it has been created, I think it tends more to "interesting" than to "to delete", from a neutral point of view, don't u think so?
No, I don't think so. The number of views says nothing about the quality of a thread - it tells only how interesting the title or the topic is.
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Most people like to hide if they wanna make fun out of others. I am pretty sure this "honorbale" ratings will nearly stop when others are able to see who wanted to be funny.
Perhaps. Perhaps people will keep on rating threads, others will keep grudges and start rating wars. Quote:
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Seemingly off topic, I dislike the way some members use colors. It's illiterate and an eyesore. I feel the option is being misused or even abused.
Lol...what is next? using wrong smilies? What's wrong in emphasizing the main sentence in a text? Be it by using color, underlin, bolt....
I've just told you what's wrong with it. First of all, it's illiterate - there are several ways to emphasize text, but using blue color is not one of them. Second, it's an eyesore; there's a good reason why everyone isn't writing in different colors.Quote:
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A mod is a job, not a title. A lot of people here have forgotten about that fact.
Correct...the title is "Hero of Order".
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Seems u missed the main part of my post. I am a Mod for a pretty long time now. You really think I wouldn't have earned any more quality points at all the whole time if not being a Mod? Members earn +QP for helping making HC a better place due to posts/threads they create. If they do that often enough, they can become "honorbale". Mods are making HC a better place due the work they do here. Be it cleaning threads, peace keeping, giving newbies a helping hand, and so on. They just don't get rewarded for that.
I registered the same time you did, no need to explain how things work here.
Again, I didn't mean you. I was speaking generally... Look at the list of former mods - half of them are NOT honorable.
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alcibiades
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posted August 07, 2007 01:27 AM |
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Seriously though, I get your point. Nevertheless, I am thankful other honorable members have rated threads. Sometimes I don't have the time to read every single topic so I browse only the "interesting" and "inspiring" ones. Look, if a thread picks up and someone finds it worth reading, they will change the rating.
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My suggestion is to introduce an additional rating system (blue stars or whatever). If I think a thread is "average", I will give it 2. If angelito thinks it's "interesting", he'll give it 4. The average score is 3. Fair enough?
I would like to address the above. I think the current rating system has some serious flaws, one of them being that it mixes two different purposes: It's about quality and content at the same time. Thus, whenever people make an inspiring strategy guide in the Temple, I have the option for rating it either "Inspiring" or "Strategy". In my case, I would normally go for "Strategy" because that tells more about the contents than "Inspiring", but I guess that's beside the point.
I agree it might actually be a good idea to keep these two properties separate. Make an index category, which might contain stuff like "Strategy", "Philosophy", "Chit Chat", "Game Discussion" (we sorely need that one in the gaming fora!), "Spamfest", "Real World", etc. And make a quality category, which could go by a voting system like Vlaad mentions. Conveniently, one could let Honorable Members + Moderators vote for quality of thread. If one wanted, the average of the votes could be translated into a quality title - Inspiring, Intruguing, Interesting, Average, To Delete, etc, even though I'm not sure that the current quality labels would necessarily translate into a numerical scale - is Important better or worse than Inspiring?, etc.
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Aculias
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posted August 07, 2007 03:33 AM |
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I said it in the other thread about this issue & I will say it here too.
This topic is crap & I will tell you why.
Ratings peoples thread is basically telling them if thier thread is garbage or not.
Ok Mods on here also favor different issues more then others.
So say we talk about religion, a great thread & another topic about having kids.
A mod would favor the kids thread more because he does not believe in religion.
Both threads would be great equally but only one would get a quality point.
Same goes for rating with SO CALLED Honourable members.
I can name quite a few who are not.
You are basically telling people your thread is great or a piece of crap that crawled out of my toilet.
William example makes a thread & someone makes rating.
It may say interesting, or it may say average or whatever.
May sa nothing.
Point is what you rate could also tell a person if they are making good threads or just plain trash.
Rating should be only for the mods, not SO CALLED Honourable members who usually abuse it for thier OWN FRIENDS favortism.
Then rate your rivals or ratings you dont want to see.
Therefore I disagree with all of you.
Ratings should be banned on here.
No one probally reads them anyways.
You have to go in the exact forums to see them.
SOme members are probally like me who reads from the Today's Post anyways where it does not show what the ratings are.
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Consis
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posted August 07, 2007 05:40 AM |
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Edited by Consis at 05:43, 07 Aug 2007.
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Ok I Admit:
I am the ratings bandit. It's been me all along. At this point I'm fairly certain I have abused my priviledges, but not by choice. At first I was only jealous of the Tournament of Honor side of the house. All of their threads seemed to get a ritualistic rating of some kind. And I thought to myself, "Don't we in the Other Side deserve at least as much? Don't we deserve an up or down vote? Are we not human? Prick us do we not bleed?" And so, about a year ago I set out to rate as many threads as was humanly possible in the Other Side of the Monitor. I worked hard. At first I simply went back and retro-rated all of my own threads but soon realized it wasn't enough. I had to at least rate every thread on the front page. And so I did, but when I was done I discovered a new sensation and feeling, almost euphoric. To my dismay I had stumbled upon an all together unheard of and unprecedented new kind of personal vice. I tried to satiate my desire to rate threads by completing the first few pages of the Other Side only! but I soon learned that an addiction is an addiction and you can't simply stop cold turkey. I tried desperately to keep my finger from hitting the mouse button on several occasions but to no avail. I was hooked and so I concocted a devious & devilish plan to delve deep into the archives and let my inner madness loose upon itself within the echoing hallowed shady ominous halls of the original 2002 days even back...before the glory days! But with it came a price. I was taxed and vexed whereupon my hand began to cramp and my heart felt as though it might leap out onto my chest. I felt a sharp stabbing pain all the way up my mouse-clicking arm. I couldn't move and my chest refused to inhale the gases of my natural habitat, ozone, laundry detergent, gasoline containers, sealed cans of used paint, and scented laundry air fresheners permeating my enclosed darkened garage. (all of which I had baracaded myself from in the corner) The washer and dryer were running on high when I screamed for help in the wee hours of the morning but once again I found I was all alone, just me and my demons. And so there in an O-dark-hundred twilight of my waning and waxing vigile over control of my existence I fought tooth and nail until I blacked out. I awoke in a puddle of perfuse diaphoresis laying on the concrete floor of my uncarpeted garage floor. My nose was oozing scarlet-black blood but the floor gave me comfort much in the same way a drunkard hugs his porcelin God and swoons in its numbing icy touch. It felt good, sort of like ice on a sprained ankle after an intense football practice. I had been given a second chance, or so I thought. From that day forward I have limited myself to only rating the threads on the front page for fear of what might surface and overtake me once more if I dare venture deeper into that abyssal plane of Alexandria Libraritus (loosely translated-halls of ancient records). Let this be a warning to all wood-be wayward five-star adventurers considering tempting the fates of doom down deep on the lower planes of existence with which the ID of man meets the plastic clickety finger tips of your very soul.
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Miru
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posted August 07, 2007 06:46 AM |
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For those of you like me, I've (slightly) modified his post. Spelling and paragraphs are the only change
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I am the ratings bandit. It's been me all along. At this point I'm fairly certain I have abused my privileges, but not by choice. At first I was only jealous of the Tournament of Honor side of the house. All of their threads seemed to get a ritualistic rating of some kind. And I thought to myself, "Don't we in the Other Side deserve at least as much? Don't we deserve an up or down vote? Are we not human? Prick us do we not bleed?" And so, about a year ago I set out to rate as many threads as was humanly possible in the Other Side of the Monitor.
I worked hard. At first I simply went back and retro-rated all of my own threads but soon realized it wasn't enough. I had to at least rate every thread on the front page. And so I did, but when I was done I discovered a new sensation and feeling, almost euphoric. To my dismay I had stumbled upon an all together unheard of and unprecedented new kind of personal vice. I tried to satiate my desire to rate threads by completing the first few pages of the Other Side only!
But I soon learned that an addiction is an addiction and you can't simply stop cold turkey. I tried desperately to keep my finger from hitting the mouse button on several occasions but to no avail. I was hooked and so I concocted a devious & devilish plan to delve deep into the archives and let my inner madness loose upon itself within the echoing hallowed shady ominous halls of the original 2002 days even back...before the glory days!
But with it came a price. I was taxed and vexed whereupon my hand began to cramp and my heart felt as though it might leap out onto my chest. I felt a sharp stabbing pain all the way up my mouse-clicking arm. I couldn't move and my chest refused to inhale the gases of my natural habitat, ozone, laundry detergent, gasoline containers, sealed cans of used paint, and scented laundry air fresheners permeating my enclosed darkened garage. (all of which I had barricaded myself from in the corner) The washer and dryer were running on high when I screamed for help in the wee hours of the morning but once again I found I was all alone, just me and my demons. And so there in an O-dark-hundred twilight of my waning and waxing vigil over control of my existence I fought tooth and nail until I blacked out. I awoke in a puddle of perfuse diaphoresis laying on the concrete floor of my uncarpeted garage floor. My nose was oozing scarlet-black blood but the floor gave me comfort much in the same way a drunkard hugs his porcelain God and swoons in its numbing icy touch. It felt good, sort of like ice on a sprained ankle after an intense football practice. I had been given a second chance, or so I thought.
From that day forward I have limited myself to only rating the threads on the front page for fear of what might surface and overtake me once more if I dare venture deeper into that abyssal plane of Alexandria Libraritus (loosely translated-halls of ancient records). Let this be a warning to all wood-be wayward five-star adventurers considering tempting the fates of doom down deep on the lower planes of existence with which the ID of man meets the plastic clickety finger tips of your very soul.
Mm... well this explains quite a bit, but the problem remains - the threads are all still rated by your... zeal...
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Aculias
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posted August 07, 2007 07:25 AM |
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Who cares, just leave it lol.
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TitaniumAlloy
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posted August 07, 2007 07:26 AM |
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Who cares, just leave it lol.
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Aculias
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posted August 07, 2007 07:29 AM |
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Woah I did not expect a actual positive reply from the Titan lol.
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TitaniumAlloy
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posted August 07, 2007 07:35 AM |
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Anything can happen
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GenieLord
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posted August 07, 2007 08:02 AM |
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In my opinion, the solution should be something in the middle between a lot of uncorrect rating and no rating at all.
The Honorable heroes won't lose their adventage, so they won't stop rating. And somewhere, I think it's quite nice, if the rating is suitable, it really helps to get the right first impression from the thread. An excellent thread might look medium on first glance, and a good rating might make people find what's so excellent at it, for example.
However, you should remember that the rating has a huge effect on the opinion of who reads the thread.
Rating from a first glace is bad. I think that everyone can agree with that.
There's no need to rate all the threads in one forum.
I see so many threads that have been rated "Average", when it's a matter of taste, and the rating prevents the thread from developing. For example, william's thread "Music Tastes > Electronic Music" that was rated "Average". It's all a matter of taste.
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Honorable heroes, don't come in purpose to rate a thread. Come in purpose to read it.
Have you read a thread that attracted you? Only after you read it well, rate it.
Don't rate after you get the main concept. That's judging only the concept behind the thread, without the contents.
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I think that a thread should be rated only by someone that have read it well.
It seems like people read the start of the thread, get the basic concept, and rate it in one of the medium rates, like "Interesting". The thread might be "Inspiring" or "Average", but it just get a wrong rating, becuase it hasn't been read well.
I don't know what about you, but I prefer to see a forum with a few correct and suitable ratings, than a forum with many ratings, that some of them aren't really accurate.
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Aculias
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posted August 07, 2007 08:33 AM |
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I think this option should be banned.
I think there should be a new selection which is not that great either lol.
People should be able to rate thier own threads based on what the thread is.
If the thread is based on Political issues, then it can to Politics.
If it's Role Play then it can be rated Role Playing, like the Game Ted came up with  .
I think there should be a whole new rating system where only the thread creator con create.
Whole new list of them, not hurting people by other members judging your threads calling them crap basically.
Just me but I dont think it's typical HEROES COMMUNITY FRIENDLY when you got others rating your threads crap or great.
There will be new ratings where you can not even abuse it.
You cant have a thread called, how big is George banana & call it Role Playing
P.S Another person will get the credit for the same stuff I already said above me
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posted August 07, 2007 08:39 AM |
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wow. man that's a lot of words over something so small...
I'm not going to go in to some indepth opinion here, I think most of this has been said, and really I don't see this as a big issue.
Anyway I am just posting to say - Please don't give this job to mods, that would be more responsibility of reading and rereading threads and making sure they are rated correctly if we are going to do our job properly. {and there are more than one mod in forums that may not agree anyway}
I think "good on" members with stars for taking the time to rate threads, if you don't like it, change it
*crawling back into the broom closet*
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Aculias
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posted August 07, 2007 08:42 AM |
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Bah Kookie sue
Read my last thread now
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Binabik
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posted August 07, 2007 09:31 AM |
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Well, even though I started this thread, it's not something I'm passionate about. Yea, some of the ratings bug me, but it's not really that big of a deal. But it seems that some other people have pretty strong feelings about it.
I didn't mean to suggest it be gotten rid of, although it wouldn't bother me if it was.
It's easy to identify the problem, but much more difficult to find a solution. There have been several good suggestions in this thread, but most/all of them seemed less appealing after thinking about it a while.
However, even if no changes are made it's still good to talk about. Because the talk itself causes change by bringing awareness to the issue. Maybe it's simply a matter of getting the word out, that people should take it a little more seriously before they rate a thread.
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Aculias
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posted August 07, 2007 10:12 AM |
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I say off with ratings !!!
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