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watcher83
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posted October 15, 2007 08:56 AM |
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Isabel
The homm5 isn't great but I've started to like it. All except one thing:
How can Isabel be now (in HoF) in love with Raelag; she was there when he told Kha-Beleth that he is Raelag for his friends but Agrael to him.
So... Agrael killed Nicolai, her husband and the love of her life whom she brought from the dead just to be with him. In homm5 she swore that she would hunt Agrael down no matter the cost and now she loves him??????
Things just don't add up.
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Elvin
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posted October 15, 2007 09:03 AM |
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They do. It was him that saved him from Veyer and offered protection when she was helpless. And she did seem intrigued at the time.
Then a demon pregnancy later, attack from her friends(to save her though she could not know), hatred from her country for the things she did, kidnapping and taking into Sheogh, Raelag comes to save her again and pretty obviously reformed.
If it was you would you see a murderer or a saviour?
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VokialBG
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posted October 15, 2007 09:04 AM |
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Edited by VokialBG at 09:05, 15 Oct 2007.
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Also Duncan and Freyda were killed in H5 by Markal but they are back in HoF 
The storyline in H5 and HoF is stupid.... in TotE its better, and you know why? Cuz the story in TotE is not story created by Nival or Ubisoft but by Arcane Studio - the creators of Dark Messiah...
I hope h6 will be make by Arcane
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Elvin
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posted October 15, 2007 09:07 AM |
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Are you sure it was created by them and not Jeff? Regardless if the dark messiah was any indication they suck badly. We are talking about a shallow game full of cliches and even less originality.
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VokialBG
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posted October 15, 2007 09:30 AM |
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Edited by VokialBG at 09:35, 15 Oct 2007.
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Are you sure it was created by them and not Jeff? Regardless if the dark messiah was any indication they suck badly. We are talking about a shallow game full of cliches and even less originality.
Please first play DM and then criticize it, the game 100 times better then Heroes 5.
If we're searching for "less originality" Heroes 5 is on the top place
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watcher83
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posted October 15, 2007 09:44 AM |
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They do. It was him that saved him from Veyer and offered protection when she was helpless. And she did seem intrigued at the time.
Then a demon pregnancy later, attack from her friends(to save her though she could not know), hatred from her country for the things she did, kidnapping and taking into Sheogh, Raelag comes to save her again and pretty obviously reformed.
If it was you would you see a murderer or a saviour?
I like Raelag; but if I were Isabel hmm... I don't know about that. If he hadn't killed Nicolai maybe none of what followed would've happened.
He didn't kill Nicolai to protect her, he did so to get him out of his way (to win Isabel)
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Nirual
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posted October 15, 2007 11:16 AM |
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Are you sure it was created by them and not Jeff? Regardless if the dark messiah was any indication they suck badly. We are talking about a shallow game full of cliches and even less originality.
Please first play DM and then criticize it, the game 100 times better then Heroes 5.
If we're searching for "less originality" Heroes 5 is on the top place
then why are you even playing heroes 5?
DM is fun for being a fantasy ego shooter, but it has little else going for it besides that. Can't blame them for trying to create an interactive environment, but thats more than than crates to throw around and spikes to punch the enemy into.
The game also largely seemed to ignore the M&M story. We have a town and characters we haven't even remotely heard before (besides Kha-Beleth, of course), the orcs, pretty much unknown prior to ToTE (which largely is there to connect the two games storywise), and enemies we don't see even in ToTE. Ghouls? Zero. Giant Spiders? Dunno why, but there aren't any neutral monsters like that.
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watcher83
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Child of Malassa
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posted October 15, 2007 11:21 AM |
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Giant Spiders? Dunno why, but there aren't any neutral monsters like that.
actually foul wyverns/hydra feed on poionous cavern spiders, that's how they became foul (says so in unit description)
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Elvin
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posted October 15, 2007 11:25 AM |
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I have and more than once. The original H5 story was just as bad of course. I loved the game, it had awesome battles and lovely environment interaction, dark mood and shiny eye candies but that does not make its story any better than what it is - mediocre. But guess what, half life 2 had all these years ago.
What is great about the plot then, because may have missed something. Young apprentice goes to high adventure with a goody innocent girl and a bad girl along. A necromancer hunts him to get the crystal he has and OMG - revelation!!! You are the dark messiah! Except it had been hinted several times already if you did not already know before starting the game. Then you become an powerful hero and choose your fate to either seal you father or join him yada yada.
Not sure how many times I have seen something similar. Ok I did not expect you to die and Arantir's role was refreshing even if not unheard of. Originality aside people around you have no personality except for Xana that is what everybody would expect. Not much interaction with any of them either.
I enjoyed it for what it had to offer but the game is strictly action packed and not about the story.
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watcher83
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posted October 15, 2007 12:28 PM |
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the graphics and Xana are the best things about DM 
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Cepheus
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posted October 15, 2007 12:30 PM |
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So... Agrael killed Nicolai, her husband and the love of her life whom she brought from the dead just to be with him. In homm5 she swore that she would hunt Agrael down no matter the cost and now she loves him??????
There is the off chance that Isabel didn't hear Raelag when he revealed his identity as Agrael. She was extremely weakened and trapped in a Demon's prison for heaven's sake. This would also make more sense since she didn't even react whatsoever to his revelation (then again, neither did Godric).
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Also Duncan and Freyda were killed in H5 by Markal but they are back in HoF
Well Freyda wasn't visibly killed, just captured and used as a bargaining chip, and Duncan didn't even appear if I remember correctly. As for what Markal said about turning her into a wraith, well Sandro had the very same plans for Gem in Heroes III: The Shadow of Death, and a fat lot of good it did him since she later defeated him.
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Elvin
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posted October 15, 2007 12:38 PM |
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Well Freyda wasn't visibly killed, just captured and used as a bargaining chip, and Duncan didn't even appear if I remember correctly. As for what Markal said about turning her into a wraith, well Sandro had the very same plans for Gem in Heroes III: The Shadow of Death, and a fat lot of good it did him since she later defeated him.
Actually I replayed the necro campaign and both things seem to happen. Markal gets a free single ghost after the battle and Markal defeats Duncan(a simple knight model).
Further evidence that Freyda was killed is a sarcastic comment by Zehir: "Freyda? I thought Markal killed her. Oh well, never mind."
I guess Nival was making fun of that 
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Cepheus
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posted October 15, 2007 12:44 PM |
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Surely Godric would have been somewhat distraught if his daughter was killed, so heck knows what happened there, and I guess that Duncan was probably a different guy, since the one we know-
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as a youth his heart longed not for the sumptuous halls of royal palaces but for expanses of sunlit fields, for dusty roads and for the adventures that lay in wait
...so he probably wouldn't be caught dead defending such a major Griffin Empire fortress. Eh, at least Nival has some sense of humour. 
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Elvin
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posted October 15, 2007 12:48 PM |
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Actually he was attacking Isabel's armies, that's how Markal could introduce himself.
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Cepheus
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posted October 15, 2007 12:50 PM |
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My mistake, sorry, it's been a while since I played that mission. Still the above stands, mostly.
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Elvin
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posted October 15, 2007 12:54 PM |
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Except for two things.
Duncan being a rebel would be justified being there attacking the queen's army.
And Nival's sense of continuity and explanations is pretty bad so far. Which is why you can still assume that none of these things happened.
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Cepheus
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posted October 15, 2007 01:06 PM |
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That really drains the fun out of speculating inconsistencies into complex plot details. Of course it's sometimes necessary though.
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Daystar
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posted October 15, 2007 01:17 PM |
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Edited by Daystar at 13:19, 15 Oct 2007.
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Going back to the Isabelle/Raelag thing: Is anyone reminded of Buffy season 2 - 3?
Seriously: Girl kills demons, fights a major one, he turns good after killing her friends, they hook up, spend time together, but then he eventually runs off, leaving her to deal with stuff.
Based on this we can conclude that Freyda is a Lesbian, Godric used to be evil, and Findan is infact deffinitely gay.
Izzie = Buffy
Raelag/Agrael = Angel/Angelus
Freyda = Willow
Godric = Giles
Findan = Andrew
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Ceres
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posted October 15, 2007 01:31 PM |
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Oh... Now I know...
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Maurice
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posted October 15, 2007 02:58 PM |
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Of course, there's only 1 guy in the whole HoMM universe with the name "Duncan" ...
Anyway, if Agrael had not slain Nicolai, the Demon Sovereign would have burned him to a crisp cinder in the deepest hells of Sheogh, before he would have had any chances of escaping his bonds. Agrael even realises this, because when he kills Nicolai, he says "Weird. Things just got a whole lot easier and a whole lot more complicated" (or something to that extent). Don't forget that the Demon Sovereign was still forcing his hand ...
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