|
| Thread: Censorship - No thanks |  This thread is pages long: 1 2 3 4 5 · «PREV / NEXT» |
|
william
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
LummoxLewis
|
posted November 09, 2007 04:45 AM |
|
|
I think that some adults think the way they do because they know how to control themselves, and know when swearing is appropriate.
Younger people that join here, and Teenagers as well, do not know how to control themselves at times, and sometimes they do not give a **** about the rules of a forum.
____________
~Ticking away the moments that
make up a dull day, Fritter and
waste the hours in an off-hand
way~
|
|
TitaniumAlloy
Honorable
Legendary Hero
Professional
|
|
posted November 09, 2007 06:30 AM |
|
|
Quote:
There are people who find swearing offensive or disrespectful.
In that case, offense and disrespect should be penalized.
I have seen forums where the censor has an on/off switch, so that words will either appear as they are or as ************* etc, and HC doesn't seem to have a problem with the asterixes (asterixi?)
But it's not that big of a deal. And it is funny seeing some noob get slammed by the mods when he loses an argument 
____________
John says to live above hell.
|
|
Mytical
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Chaos seeking Harmony
|
|
posted November 09, 2007 01:10 PM |
|
|
I've been through this discussion before. I don't like censorship, in any form. However, this board is made by Val, and they don't have to keep it going. There are also other boards you can find that might not have such rules, and when you signed up it was in the CoC. If you didn't like it then, there was the option of not joining.
Imagine this like a house. If you have rules in your house, and there are guests, would you not expect the guests to follow those rules? This is Val's house, and the rules are not unreasonable.
For instance, you come to my house, I have rules. Don't care if you smoke, but if you do so it will be on the porch outside. I am alergic to smoke, so either deal with it or don't visit. If I come to your house, and you smoke, then I will have to deal with it (or leave hehe). What would you think if one of your friends came in and just started cursing at somebody you cared about in your own house?
Frankly when I see or hear somebody cursing, my opinon of their intelligence drops a few points. There is absolutely nothing I can not say even without cursing. I can express my dissatisfaction, anger, or how upset I am without resorting to cursing. It adds nothing to a discussion, and detracts from it.
One's persons words can make a difference, and I am sure the mods understand what you are saying. Keep in mind that others do not share your opinon. Should not their thoughts on the matter weigh as much as yours? If it is lifted, I sincerely hope that a filter is added. Though I am 33 years old, I have no desire to be subject to it. Get enough in the 'real world'. Have I cursed? Three times in my life. Once when my back was damaged in an automobile accident. Once when I tore my toenail completely off and fractured my toe. Once when I was confronting somebody who had previously tried to assult me.
Yes I think censorship should be a forgotten relic. I also believe, however, that if it is your house you should be able to limit some things.
____________
Message received.
|
|
angelito
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
proud father of a princess
|
|
posted November 09, 2007 01:28 PM |
|
|
Quote:
..also in real life i would kick his as*...
And you wonder why someone thought u are 15 years old?
You really should take some time and read about the "anger philosophy" here in the CoC. Maybe u will find something usefull there 
____________
Better judged by 12 than carried by 6.
|
|
lkru33
Promising
Famous Hero
3x NFL Pick'em Champ
|
posted November 13, 2007 12:59 PM |
|
|
Maretti for President
____________
|
|
Wolfman
Responsible
Supreme Hero
Insomniac
|
|
posted November 13, 2007 03:20 PM |
|
|
Quote:
Quote:
..also in real life i would kick his as*...
And you wonder why someone thought u are 15 years old?
You really should take some time and read about the "anger philosophy" here in the CoC. Maybe u will find something usefull there
When I started posting here, people couldn't guess how old I was...thought I was in my twenties when I was 15. Maybe because I didn't have to swear to get my point across.
____________
|
|
Binabik
Responsible
Legendary Hero
|
|
posted November 13, 2007 09:27 PM |
|
|
I don't think it had to do with cussing. I was impressed with you and many of the other young people at HC, especially with the Other Side crowd. I think there were several reasons.
First you actually made an effort to know what you were talking about rather than spouting some garbage you "heard somewhere", as if it were fact. Occasionally it sounded like you were echoing the party line without thinking it through, but not very often. (and that's something all ages do)
Second (and this is important), you understand the concept of respect given, respect returned. That's one of the biggest things that attracted me to HC. There were a lot of heated debates in the Other Side, but people almost always remained civil, polite and respectful of other's opinions.
An extremely common trait for young people is being reactionary. To remain civil and show respect requires restraint and patience with other people. That's something that normally comes with age.
He's not as young as you (young to me though), but I remember a time with Svorag. I had made some statement and it was so much in contrast to his way of thinking he found it hard to believe I was serious. He asked if I was playing the devil's advocate. When I told him I was serious, he just took me at my word and accepted it. He didn't react or show any kind of judgment. He didn't miss a beat and simply went on to debate the issue on its merits. My original statement probably represented every thing he hated and fought against, but he still respected my beliefs and opinions.
____________
|
|
GenieLord
Honorable
Legendary Hero
|
|
posted November 13, 2007 10:26 PM |
|
|
All that reminds me an old post of Angelito in the Altar:
Quote:
There is a simple reason why moderators are not chosen by members. Because HC is not a democracy. It's a private site of a private person. Do visitors of your home decide what furniture u have to buy, which woman u have to marry and what kind of music u r allowed to hear?
This was about a compeletly different subject, but still...
HC is honestly not a democracy. Valeriy can do whatever he wants here. You can ask for things you want, I'm sure he'll listen, but eventually, he's the one who decides.
|
|
bixie
Promising
Legendary Hero
my common sense is tingling!
|
|
posted November 13, 2007 11:03 PM |
|
|
swearing is a great debasement of the english language.
this forum is a strictly no ****ing swearing zone
____________
Love, Laugh, Learn, Live.
|
|
antipaladin
Promising
Legendary Hero
of Ooohs and Aaahs
|
|
posted November 13, 2007 11:39 PM |
|
|
IMO Swearing is somehing that done by passion or by ignorance or both.
But better being evoided,if someone called you in this forum a (BLEEP) idiot you would freak out and hcm a mod or start flame war or so. how ever censership and strict rules of respect are handy in such stiations there for flames dont last,and if they do they go personally hcm.
Cussing is also somewhat of imetureity,dissrespect.
you dont cuss near your mother,why would you cuss here? im not degrading your mother or insulting you in anyway. but there is a code of cunduct,and a code of repsect around people in the forum.
you are obligated to give same respect as reseeved. Treatment Drags Treatment as we say in hebrew,it means that they you treat people they treat you.
i know what your meaning of expressing yourself,im disgrafic,and i had this problam years ago,even before HC. but i learned to outsmart it.
When you feel like you want to cuss,and you cant,you think for a second,and you use the smurf law that consis pointed or just make a joke about it.
____________
types in obscure english
|
|
Gallow
Bad-mannered
Known Hero
Avenger
|
|
posted November 13, 2007 11:50 PM |
|
|
Quote:
but there is a code of cunduct,and a code of repsect around people in the forum.
you are obligated to give same respect as reseeved. Treatment Drags Treatment as we say in hebrew,it means that they you treat people they treat you.
That really i dont get it,no offense but mentioned respect and a conduct code,when in the post "I gave up believing in god",you showed your lack of respect to a forum member(me);acussing me from something that wasnt true and stuff,idk what else to believe here.
|
|
maretti
Responsible
Supreme Hero
|
|
posted November 13, 2007 11:55 PM |
|
|
Quote:
Maretti for President
Today was electionday in Denmark. I didnt run for president, maybe I should have. So I will settle for less and continue this debate. With this kind of support how can I not?
Tomorrow.
____________
Crag rules, Orrin and Ivor suck
|
|
antipaladin
Promising
Legendary Hero
of Ooohs and Aaahs
|
|
posted November 13, 2007 11:57 PM |
|
|
(im really sorry about offtopicng here)
Well you have to understand that i didnt ment to insult you,and im sorry if i did.
But i was just exprassing my own opinion,i found your statement that some of people are not deserving of being in the presence of god an insult, i also expressed my opinion,as you could be someone elses double acount in a meture,respectfull way.Its not an insult,its just something i felt pointing out.
Like meny people pointed out my grammer,and ware over and over explain to my disgraphia.
____________
types in obscure english
|
|
Gallow
Bad-mannered
Known Hero
Avenger
|
|
posted November 14, 2007 12:10 AM |
|
Edited by Gallow at 00:25, 14 Nov 2007.
|
Quote:
i found your statement that some of people are not deserving of being in the presence of god an insult
(this is offtopic too,sorry)
Apologizes not so welcome,what do you mean with that statement? you really still are thinking that im ZJ? again with the same problem? why you just dont say "yes,was a bit fool from my part,im sorry" but no,seems you want to continue acussing me.I will prove you,ZJ lives in sweden,im living in finland now.I dont know a word in swedish,from what i read from ZJ he knows more about the bible than me and seems more religious plus i did topics about heroes of might and magic,he didnt and i like the game,so i hope now is clear antipaladin,then if it is clear,you won my respect like a forum member.
|
|
Binabik
Responsible
Legendary Hero
|
|
posted November 14, 2007 12:38 AM |
|
|
This is exactly the reason I think double accounts should be completely banned unless they have a very good reason and get a mod's permission first.
I also thought ZJ was a double account s/he used only to cause controversy at HC. And I talked to others who thought the same thing.
|
|
william
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
LummoxLewis
|
|
posted November 14, 2007 08:17 AM |
|
|
Look, there is a thread a forum for talking about God, why do you have to bring that discussion into this thread?!?!
And I also think ZJ is a double account, and I think i know who it is.
____________
~Ticking away the moments that
make up a dull day, Fritter and
waste the hours in an off-hand
way~
|
|
Binabik
Responsible
Legendary Hero
|
|
posted November 14, 2007 08:40 AM |
|
|
|
Gallow
Bad-mannered
Known Hero
Avenger
|
|
posted November 14, 2007 10:34 AM |
|
|
Quote:
Look, there is a thread a forum for talking about God, why do you have to bring that discussion into this thread?!?!
And I also think ZJ is a double account, and I think i know who it is.
ok,good i would like to know who is too.
|
|
Moonlith
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
If all else fails, use Fiyah!
|
|
posted November 14, 2007 03:02 PM |
|
|
Quote:
- Even if Val has the last word in here would he want to run this place like a dictatorship?
- Its the users and not Val alone who make HC what it is. Its the same in a country, its the inhabitants not the dictator/government alone that make a country what it is. Shouldnt the users have just a tiny bit of influence?
- Does the fact that im not in charge here mean that my opinion dosent matter what so ever? That it dosent mean anything whether im right or wrong? I couldnt read Binabiks post in any other way. Could you say the same thing about Burma? I dont think so.
I think you are mistaking a community with a country here. A community like this can never be a dictatorship simply because you are free to choose wether or not you want to be a PART of this community. If you don't like the restrictions, you are free to leave and find a different community that doesn't have those restrictions. But comparing Val to a dictator goes very far. Seriously, do you think HC sucks that much? There is more cencorship in general media than there is at HC.
That aside, even IF Val would choose to play dictator, he is entitled to. Since again, you are free to leave. You are making use of a SERVICE he provides, thus you need to abide by HIS rules. It is not like it is a necessity of life.
As far as cussing is concerned, I don't think the problem of cussing can be solved through cencorship, not as long as in society cussing is considered to be something "cool". Not as long as the "cool" protagonists in movies keep using effin' in every single sentense. Kids see it, kids use it, kids think it's cool, and keep using it. Act tough, and even arrogant, that seems to be the moral code these days. If you really want to change that attitude, I feel you shouldn't censor it, but simply frown upon it. Which is generally what happens in more mature environments, like HC. I think even if this second rule didn't exist, most people wouldn't bother cussing.
As it is said before, people capable of mature, intelligent discussions don't need to use cussing to get their point across.
On the other hand, you don't need cussing to come across like a child either
Respective behavior amongst members is a result of the attitude of members towards each other. That's a great thing about HC, in general people tend to respect each other (even though I am having my fair share of tension with certain members ). Some things I just keep to myself just because I don't want to blow up what I think is great about HC.
|
|
maretti
Responsible
Supreme Hero
|
|
posted November 14, 2007 04:57 PM |
|
|
@Pandora: This might have become a bit muddled. It can be hard to seperate things here. What we are talking about is primarily the censorship here on HC but doing that I believe its pretty natural to compare it with censorship in other areas and discuss the phenomenon in generel. Its also relevant to look at what is censored, what kind of a problem does the content represent.
Quote:
If we're to take your argument farther - then perhaps by your same logic it should be okay for us to allow racism and racial slurs on the boards as well?
Now things have become muddled. Its the censorship im talking about, not the content. The censorship dosent prevent racism and racial slurs, it dosent prevent insults, bullying etc. either. Do you think the parents are more concerned about cussing than the other things mentioned? The censorship prevents people from writing a few words that have allmost no content, thats all it does.
Quote:
I personally believe that by making these words something to fear and hide from, we give them more power to hurt than they should ever have.
Great point. I totally agree, these words are not and should not be offensive on their own.
Quote:
This discussion has been had many times before - and always to the same conclusion that cuss words really aren't a necessary part of language.
I guess the conclusion depends on who you ask.
@Vlaad:
Quote:
Edit: There's this other forum dedicated to comic books. The members come from all over former Yugoslavia. Needless to say, political discussion is forbidden and posters who even mention certain topics are banned. Censorship?
You can call it censorship, but its not the kind of censorship im talking about. Its the **** im annoyed about.
Quote:
Actually, I think HC is very similar to the USA - a democracy suffocated by political correctness and skeletons in the closet.
I agree, it seems HC is very much inspired by american standards. I wanna stress that I like USA in generel and many parts of the culture but the huge influence religion has isnt healthy imo and I believe that this kind of censorship is a result of religious influence.
@Mytical: I believe that comparing HC to a private home is a mistake. HC is not a private place and that makes all the diffrence. I would agree with you if we where talking about a private place.
Quote:
Frankly when I see or hear somebody cursing, my opinon of their intelligence drops a few points.
Have you considered that people from other parts of the world might have diffrent standards than you? If you consider certain clothes to send signals of low intelligence would you want to prevent people from wearing it?
Quote:
Keep in mind that others do not share your opinon. Should not their thoughts on the matter weigh as much as yours?
I could ask you the same.
@Moonlith: Quote:
But comparing Val to a dictator goes very far.
I didnt do that and you would know that if you had cared to read what I wrote in its context.
Quote:
Seriously, do you think HC sucks that much?
I dont think HC sucks, I have no idea where you got that from.
____________
Crag rules, Orrin and Ivor suck
|
| |
|
|
