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posted January 07, 2008 07:44 PM |
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Serbia chooses a new president, and a new way...
THE FIRST ROUND STARTED TO DAY AND WILL LAST TILL 8 O'CLOCK. THE PREELECTION SILENCE IS ACTIVE. IF YOU ARE A CITIZEN OF SERBIA, VOTE! IF YOU ARE A CITIZEN IN OTHER COUNTRYS, INFORM YOURSELF WHERE THE NEAREST VOTING PLACE IS! RESULTS WILL BE SUBMITTED AS SOON AS I HEAR THE FIRST ONES.
As you heard, Serbia chooses a new president. A man which is going to be a president for 5 years. The elections are scheduled on 20.1.2008. If we knew the result of them, I wouldn't be writing this topic. Meet the candidates:
1. Tomislav Nikolić Member (vice president) of the Serbian radical party. He wants Serbia not to join the EU nor NATO. He is for Serbo-Russian frendship. He doesn't want Kosovo to be indipendant. Before, he was a president of the Parlaiment.
2. Jugoslav Dobričanin Member of the Reformist party. Won't get above 1%.
3.  Boris Tadić Member of the Democratical party. He wants Serbia to join EU but he doesn't want indipendant Kosovo. He is the current president of Serbia.
4.  Velimir Ilić Member (president) of the New Serbia party. His ideology is something between Russia and EU. He is the current minister for infrastructure.
5.  Ištvan Pastor Represents the Hungarian minority in Serbia.
6.  Marijan Rističević is the president/member of the National peasant party. He is for the development of agriculture and he is a bit more loyal to Russia than EU.
7.  Čedomir Jovanović Member/president of the Liberal-Democratic party. He is for a form of EU liberalism.
8.  Milutin Mrkonjić Vice-president/member of the Socialist party of Serbia. For socialism, and the time of Slobodan Milošević.
9.  Milanka Karić A member and the wife of the president of Serbian reconstruction movement.
So, the two most popular candidates, Boris Tadić and Tomislav Nikolić will have a similar fight like the Democratic and Republican party in the USA. One of them will for shure be the president of Serbia and it is pretty uncertan who of them will be the president. Only a few percent is going to separate the winner from the looser.
This is an interesting topic, because Serbia will choose an ideology which is going to represent it for the next 5 years.
The results will be posted here:
Tomislav Toma Nikolic - SRS - 39,99%
Jugoslav Dobricanin - RS - 0,3%
Boris Tadic - DS - 35,5%
Velimir Velja Ilic - NS - 7,4%
Istvan Pastor - 2,5%
Marijan Risticevic - NSS - 0,4%
Cedomir Ceda Jovanovic - LDP - 5,4%
Milutin Mrkonjic - SPS - 5,9%
Milanka Mara Karic - PSS - 1%
Most probably, Tomislav Nikolic and Boris Tadic will be in the second round, and that would be a really uncertan event.
TV DUEL Tomislav Nikolic vs. Boris Tadic - RTS, 21:05 (CET).
Impressions will be posted here:
- Every candidate stated his well-known oppinion
- Boris Tadic didn't reply to much of Tomislav's questions, which mocked his rule
- These mottos stay:
SRS: With all heart
DS: Let's win Europe together
99% correct results: Boris Tadic 50,5%, Tomislav Nikolic 47,5%
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posted January 07, 2008 08:03 PM |
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Who has the real power to make decisions in Serbia? Does the president really have much say about things like joining EU, ties with Russia, etc? Or does the parliament decide such things? What other types of power does the president have?
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posted January 07, 2008 09:00 PM |
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Edited by Vidoja at 21:06, 07 Jan 2008.
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The president doesn't decide, but you can't go saying: 'We don't want to join EU' and expect to join the EU. A president function is the same in any state.(mostly)
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posted January 07, 2008 09:30 PM |
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Vidoja, who are you going to vote for (if you're old enough to vote)?
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posted January 07, 2008 09:50 PM |
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A president function is the same in any state.
Im afride thats not true.
there are sevral ways of power function.
Like In there,and in USA,and IN russia they have were president is acting like a forigen minister with all the rights. In israel however this is differnt. the preisdeint is nothing but some high figour. but the prime minister is who calling the shoots(as in the UK).
you mentioned 2 partys then. Against the kosvo indepdence by the albnians and against joinin the UN\NETO. am I to understand those opinions conflicting each other?
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posted January 07, 2008 11:02 PM |
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@Antipaladin: Yes, the Democratical Party and the Serbian radical party are something like the USA Democratical and Republican. What happened about the word you didn't quote, (mostly)
@Vlaad: Don't know actually. Really. You Vlaad, if you can vote (you stated Serbia for your location)?
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posted January 07, 2008 11:04 PM |
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One more thing: No partys in Serbia are for Kosovo indipendance, because it is braking the Serbian By-law. If someone says they are for it, everybody knows that party is anti-Serb and is braking the By-law which the people of Serbia brought to law.
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posted January 07, 2008 11:08 PM |
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This is somewhat funny,you Can't Outlaw another country.
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posted January 07, 2008 11:12 PM |
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Edited by Vidoja at 23:24, 07 Jan 2008.
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This isn't for this topic, but I might say this:
Kosovo indipendance violates:
1. The By-law of Serbia
2. The Resolution 1244
3. The Statute of UN
4. Moral and humanity
EDIT: Kosovo's a province, not a state (like Quebec, spelling?) and provinces can't gain indipendance because that violates the integrity of the country.
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posted January 08, 2008 01:12 AM |
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@Vlaad: Don't know actually. Really. You Vlaad, if you can vote (you stated Serbia for your location)?
Tadic or Jovanovic.
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posted January 08, 2008 01:19 AM |
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Can you vote since you're not currently living there? I assume there is some sort of absentee voting.
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posted January 08, 2008 01:28 AM |
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Can you vote since you're not currently living there? I assume there is some sort of absentee voting.
Yeah.
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posted January 08, 2008 02:19 PM |
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Jovanović is for the 'Serb leaves Serb' variant and I would never vote for him. And he would probably be for the legalization of heroin.
Tadić, on the other hand is a good man.
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posted January 08, 2008 06:03 PM |
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Jovanović is for the 'Serb leaves Serb' variant and I would never vote for him. And he would probably be for the legalization of heroin.
HAHAHA  Um, was that a joke? It's hard to tell because you never use smileys.  Anyhow, if you are seriously interested in politics, try getting your information from independent sources, such as B92 or Vreme and start questioning whatever the national television is force-feeding you.  In other words, I doubt Jovanovic is a drug addict (perhaps a former pothead, but nothing wrong with that LOL). Regarding all the accussations against him, don't you think Kostunica's police have had enough time to find anything? Yet, he is walking free and running for president. As for his anti-Serbian policy, I believe he is too liberal for his own good; Serbia is still hurt and not ready to face her past or open her eyes and accept the inevitable (speaking of which, I hope I am wrong, mind you ). Jovanovic's proposition regarding Kosovo is even more radical than Djindjic's (dividing the province between ethnic Serbs and Albanians). On the other hand, both of them were right when they insisted on resolving the dispute as soon as possible. Three years later, our negotiators are in a worse position, while the country is stumbling on its way to the EU. 
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posted January 08, 2008 09:42 PM |
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I don't wanna comment Jovanovic because I want to maintain my QPs. B92 is too DS oriented. Koštunica isn't running for president neither is he in the control of the police.
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posted January 08, 2008 09:45 PM |
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i noticed that none of the poltics expet for eodemir(sorry the name is very hard for me to pournces or to spell) are before age 45. also it seems that all are against kosovo being indepedent country,or u just lisit those who against?
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posted January 08, 2008 09:53 PM |
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i noticed that none of the poltics expet for eodemir(sorry the name is very hard for me to pournces or to spell) are before age 45. also it seems that all are against kosovo being indepedent country,or u just lisit those who against?
Not very clear, by meaning. You mean to say that all exept Cedomir Jovanovic are over the age of 45? Probably. (not certan) Everybody is against Kosovo being indipendant. One more tip: Use Mozilla Firefox, it has a grammar/spelling check when you post. (not an offence)
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posted January 08, 2008 10:01 PM |
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like i mentioned im dysgraphic,and i wont use the spelling check out of princip.(nontaken).
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posted January 08, 2008 10:33 PM |
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I don't wanna comment Jovanovic because I want to maintain my QPs.
Moderators will not penalize you for your opinion but swear words and direct insults to other members.
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Koštunica isn't running for president
Obviously, by "he" I meant "Jovanovic". You seem to claim he is a traitor, drug addict and whatnot, yet he is a candidate? How come he was never arrested? Think about it.
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... neither is he [Kostunica] in the control of the police.
Puh-leeze. Kostunica's party controls the Ministry of Interior (Jocic was one of the key issues in the DS-DSS negotiations last year).
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posted January 08, 2008 10:55 PM |
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i noticed that none of the poltics expet for eodemir(sorry the name is very hard for me to pournces or to spell) are before age 45.
Isn't this more or less the same everywhere, from the US to Israel to Serbia?Quote:
also it seems that all are against kosovo being indepedent country,or u just lisit those who against?
No, he listed all the candidates, including some funny outsiders who happened to meet the minimal standards to run for the office.
I've tried to explain our official policy regarding Kosovo in the other thread: neither the president nor the prime minister would like to be remembered as the leader who lost our "holy land". On the other hand, there is little they can do - Milosevic already waged the war for the province and lost it in 1999. Troubled by a decade of civil wars and international sanctions, Serbia will not start a new conflict (despite the harsh rhetoric). Therefore, our authorities are going to wait for the inevitable - the unilateral recognition of Kosovo's independence by the US and EU. There is absolutely nothing Russia can do about it; Russian veto in the UN will not even stop the EU troops replacing the UN peacekeepers, let alone the international acceptance of the current situation. The only loser will be Serbia, if the entire process endangers the fragile democracy in the country. In brief, president Tadic (pro-European democrat) is afraid he would lose part of his supporters if he accepted the Kosovo independence.
I'm not so sure he is right about that; despite the large number of Serbian nationalists who might want to defend Kosovo "by all means necessary", most Serbs realize the province is virtually lost. Common people in Serbia are fed up with national myths, conflicts and isolation. Jovanovic represents this option - liberal, democrat and pro-European. While the upcoming elections in Serbia are insignificant for the rest of the world, they are very important for our country. We will either turn our backs to reality or continue our road to the EU.
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