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Infinitus
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posted January 20, 2008 08:51 AM |
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Anti Hour Glass
I was shocked when i realized that almost 1/3 of people
from TOH play only this map, this situation makes me
incompatible with these players  Good players ....
So let my take please the suicide mission - Anti HourGlass 
All-for-nothing - take everything you want for free,
gold mine, witch huts, mine of ore and lumber etc ....
On other maps you must work hard half of the game to take
two towns, here you take it easy and fast, they are
close to each other and easy to take ....
Violation of free will - plenty of Witch huts here,
is this good ? In my opinion not ... Example - I play Sylvan
and I want to go light magic for buffs, but witch hut
offers me destructive magic and I will take it coz it's for free ...
This is violation of my free will, I must take what I didn't plan
coz I want to stay competitive in this game, and this is
only one witch hut .... Wait, but on this map is mentor hut ...
So I will take from Witch Huts all skill offered
even if I don't need them at all and convert at mentor hut
into something useful.. As a result I can rich ultimate easy,
but play half of the game with skills I may not want at all ....
Off line tournament against AI - Jinxer - "the person who is
the fastest at memorizing a pattern has the greater chance
of winning, instead of beating there opponent in the final
battle to earn the win."
Other players opinions
Insatiable - hourglass is a pig-out overstuffed 'throw everything
in a bucket' tutorial crap map.
The_teacher - actually it turns into a duel, just that it takes
several hours. not much change in strategy from a game to another.
map has no plots or difficulties which can force u to take
other path and select carefully the fights, way too linear
for my taste.
Conclusion - very good map, one of the best, but not to be
played 20 times in a row
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sq79
Famous Hero
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posted January 20, 2008 09:06 AM |
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Most players play it because we like it .... No one is forcing a newbie to play hourglass .. no one will wanna play a player in hourglass with 100+ games in hourglass anyway
The map is not as easy as you think There is no memorizing a pattern, its just game plan after scouting is done. What happens when u meet with strong neutrals, u gotta react accordingly to save the days wasted.
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Aculias
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Pretty Boy Angel Sacraficer
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posted January 20, 2008 09:08 AM |
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There goes Inflatatious with the crying again.
Some people like the map.
There are players who prefer something else.
No love from you I see Inflirtatious 
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fiur
Promising
Supreme Hero
Map Creator
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posted January 20, 2008 10:32 AM |
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I think Jinxers BattleZone is way better than Hourglass...especially if you play the "hero" way (and I think Jinxer himself can agree on that one.... (hero style)
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted January 20, 2008 11:08 AM |
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So let my take please the suicide mission - Anti HourGlass
Rofl  I have yet to play it.
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Violation of free will - plenty of Witch huts here,
is this good ? In my opinion not ... Example - I play Sylvan
and I want to go light magic for buffs, but witch hut
offers me destructive magic and I will take it coz it's for free ...
This is violation of my free will, I must take what I didn't plan
coz I want to stay competitive in this game, and this is
only one witch hut .... Wait, but on this map is mentor hut ...
I sincerely hope you are not serious with this. If you don't like a skill you don't take it, done it numerous times.
As for the quotes what's the point? Some don't like this map, the rest play it.
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diegis
Supreme Hero
power of Zamolxis
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posted January 20, 2008 01:31 PM |
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Infinitus, I think you just wrote this...
If some people like the map, and you dont, then dont play it man. As simple as that!
We dont argue on tastes here...
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Infinitus
Supreme Hero
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posted January 20, 2008 01:50 PM |
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Sometime then i try to arrange a game i hear from opponent - sorry HG only Way ? Coz i hear it's the best map, most played ... Well, let's people know other opinions... I think diversity is good ...
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Elit
Famous Hero
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posted January 20, 2008 02:08 PM |
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Other players opinions
Insatiable - hourglass is a pig-out overstuffed 'throw everything
in a bucket' tutorial crap map.
The_teacher - actually it turns into a duel, just that it takes
several hours. not much change in strategy from a game to another.
map has no plots or difficulties which can force u to take
other path and select carefully the fights, way too linear
for my taste.
Infinitus: Why you ask for opinions ppl who almost dont have games on HG ?
About map. My 1st game on HG are vs SQ79 when he have ~60 games here. Yes i loss my 1st few games...but its big challenge to beat strong opoent on "his" map and HG is very good balanced map. This is main reson for so many ppl to play it.
BTW lossing game is normal part from play and it's can happend on any map 
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Infinitus
Supreme Hero
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posted January 20, 2008 02:44 PM |
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I get this opinions from here http://heroescommunity.com/viewthread.php3?TID=24086
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Elit
Famous Hero
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posted January 20, 2008 02:55 PM |
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I get this opinions from here http://heroescommunity.com/viewthread.php3?TID=24086
From here you can get "diferent" opinions too
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diegis
Supreme Hero
power of Zamolxis
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posted January 20, 2008 03:57 PM |
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I get this opinions from here http://heroescommunity.com/viewthread.php3?TID=24086
From here you can get "diferent" opinions too
HI Elit...How are you? I sent you a mail..have you red it?
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Elit
Famous Hero
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posted January 20, 2008 04:22 PM |
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I get this opinions from here http://heroescommunity.com/viewthread.php3?TID=24086
From here you can get "diferent" opinions too
HI Elit...How are you? I sent you a mail..have you red it?
Yes, now i read it
You can get shield.
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diegis
Supreme Hero
power of Zamolxis
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posted January 20, 2008 04:47 PM |
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I get this opinions from here http://heroescommunity.com/viewthread.php3?TID=24086
From here you can get "diferent" opinions too
HI Elit...How are you? I sent you a mail..have you red it?
Yes, now i read it
You can get shield.
thx
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-knowledge itself is power-
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
*****
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posted January 21, 2008 03:51 AM |
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I think Jinxers BattleZone is way better than Hourglass...especially if you play the "hero" way (and I think Jinxer himself can agree on that one.... (hero style)
You are sooo Right Fiur!! Hero style is amazing! Especially if playing on a good map! BattleZone Rocks!
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Elit
Famous Hero
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posted January 21, 2008 08:11 AM |
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I think Jinxers BattleZone is way better than Hourglass...especially if you play the "hero" way (and I think Jinxer himself can agree on that one.... (hero style)
You are sooo Right Fiur!! Hero style is amazing! Especially if playing on a good map! BattleZone Rocks!
BattleZone is good at all but your "balance" is crap Jinxer 
When you stop ban arts/heroes on BZ i will start play it.
PS. Don't offence pls Jinxer. My opinion is against any ban arts/heroes. For me ban never make 1 map better.
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insatiable
Supreme Hero
Ultimate N00bidity
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posted January 21, 2008 03:49 PM |
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now with tote no need to ban a thing, they did good job rebalancing sh*t
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
*****
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posted January 21, 2008 04:42 PM |
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Edited by Jinxer at 16:57, 21 Jan 2008.
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@ Elit
You dont want a BALANCED game, you want a game where you can play poorly and still upset a win. Ring of Speed and Staff of netherworld can ruin a good hard fought game. Giving a win to someone who doesnt deserve it or earn it. And I banned other arts like Gold bags etc... because I want the map to be of certain richness and the map is rich enouch and doesnt need gold bags.
Bottom line is you are afraid of a map that you cant master. You are afraid to play on a map that IS TRUELY balanced so much so that you cannot find a way to gain unfair advantage to beat your opponent.
Taking out several arts and heroes was done to MAKE the map balanced. Regardless what you think and contrary to what you would like to believe, UBI did NOT make a balanced multiplayer game. No WHERE close! So yes the map makers have it in there power to balance things out with there map making abilities.
But you are also a player that likes a map like Hourglass so what can be expected
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the_teacher
Supreme Hero
Talk to the hand!
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posted January 21, 2008 05:29 PM |
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i agree to balance a map is the job for mapmakers, but restricting too much can ruin the fun, a small proportion of luck (like a ring, a staff, a bag, etc) are part of the game make it more spicy. taking everything away, getting a map closed to a chess table when everything is perfectly the same,might affect the gameplay in exaclty the way u try to avoid, levelling everything, equalizing the players skill by forcing them not do this, not to do that and all remaining doesnt leave space for an innovative strategy or any surprise from which u have to learn new things.
hope it didnt sound too complicated what im trying to say, in few terms, leave the map uncensored, for multiple approaches, else games will turn into replay all over again, with no chance to change tactic from game to game due to the lack of instruments.
sometimes game strategy is built on the artifacts and spells u get. lowering those options will turn into a poetry u hate the most.
also, the garrisons could stop a player for advancing if he goes a lil bit faster than the opponent (which its his merit) canceling his advantage while the other catch up with it. TO FORCE a player to pass through a choke point at the same time with the enemy its not good at all.
i was talking in generally, not pointing to your map, but to the makin of maps . also, maker should know importance of each building , must be a player to avoid abuses.
have a nice day
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insatiable
Supreme Hero
Ultimate N00bidity
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posted January 21, 2008 05:37 PM |
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well honestly if we start banning the best crap in game, then the 2nd best crap will replace the 1st best crap and then these 2nd best will become best-best..
however i dont agree with elit attitude either.. mapmaker has all rights to his map, and may need few restrictions to give it a certain personality
btw, i had played bz once months ago and really enjoyed.. great quality map, best map for blind game ever, however way too much (in micromanagemnt, armies, game speed, distances..) for my taste for regular playing
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diegis
Supreme Hero
power of Zamolxis
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posted January 21, 2008 06:14 PM |
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to Teacher :
a small proportion of luck like a ring, a staff
Cmon man...are you sure is just a SMALL proportion?!
I agree with Jinxer this time, except for the bag of gold.
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