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Gerdash
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posted November 30, 2001 01:47 PM |
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hmm.. i am flattered, but actually there wasn't sth very new about the necro creature lineup, was there? the only new creature was the plague (well, they had some kind of spiritual explanation to the plague in medieval times), and that the ghost should be no more fearsome than the zombie..
btw it's not bone/ghost dragon, they were meant as different creatures. sth like the lev 4 creatures should have the soul of a dragon, not the bones of one. or did you count the inability to fly as an ability of the bone dragon?
actually the main thing that is bothering me is if the hydra would fit in the preserve, and what the chaos town would look like, not the lineup of the full necro town. it the other towns would be messed up, the full necro would be too difficult to put into practice. the necro could be whatever, as there are more than enough creatures for the necro.
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Crusher_vamp...
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posted December 02, 2001 12:41 AM |
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hmm.. i am flattered, but actually there wasn't sth very new about the necro creature lineup, was there? the only new creature was the plague (well, they had some kind of spiritual explanation to the plague in medieval times), and that the ghost should be no more fearsome than the zombie..
btw it's not bone/ghost dragon, they were meant as different creatures. sth like the lev 4 creatures should have the soul of a dragon, not the bones of one. or did you count the inability to fly as an ability of the bone dragon?
actually the main thing that is bothering me is if the hydra would fit in the preserve, and what the chaos town would look like, not the lineup of the full necro town. it the other towns would be messed up, the full necro would be too difficult to put into practice. the necro could be whatever, as there are more than enough creatures for the necro.
Let me rephrase that: I like the special ability of the ghost dragon and the thing that a bone dragon cannot fly...which seems very logical to me...
I agreed with your necropolis idea cause I like very much the necrolpolis in homm3 and I think the town shoudn't be messed up with imps and Devils (inferno creatures)and those stupid Venom Spawns instead of the mighty liches. A creature which I would accept in necropolis is the mummy.
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hobgoblin
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posted December 02, 2001 09:52 PM |
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full necro
First, I think that necropolis was better in H3 than in H4. I would like a full necro town. I don't know what you mean by (plagues), an other idea could be the wight or th wraith. In you full necro town, Gerdash, I just found that vampires are better in L3 and ghosts in L2. But I don't know which creatures would move down for this.
Your idea of the pandemonium is not bad, but first I've never liked to see the rogue in this town, they would be good neutrals, (the centuare could replace him), and I don't find the hydra fits very well in the preserve. First it's a creature of swamp rather than forest, and secondly, in the mythology, it is a chaotic and nasty creature.
I think that the necro and inferno creatures have been mixed in 1 castle because they are two big ennemies of humans.
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Gerdash
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from the Animated Peace
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posted December 03, 2001 06:42 PM |
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sure it's problematic..
1) until ppl found out about germs, the plague and other diseases were interpreted more or less spiritually, as far as i know. so essentially it would be a plague-wraith or ghost. or there could be sth else instead, but i think that a spellcaster who casts plague would just fit well in necro town.
2) i have always wondered what's so scary about ghosts. aren't they sth comparable to imps and zombies, i.e. shouldn't they be sth as scary as zombies? also, i think a lich should be more dangerous opponent than a vampire.
3) yeah, rogues could be neutrals, but imho they would fit perfectly with imps who would tempt them to do the sinful things.
4) true, i also thought that the hydra in preserve is one of the weak points, and the reasoning is mostly based on the gameplay point of view.
that should be the reasoning the way i thought it.. could be that it's not perfect, but i am afraid i would rather have ghosts on lev1, etc, with this lineup..
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what bothers me is that the necro will loose it's gray colors when mixed with inferno, and that way there will be no necro as we used to know it. and the undead also disturb the red hot inferno.. a possibility (just to save the inferno from being spoiled) might be sth like having red colored skeletons just as if flesh was just removed from their body while they are still very much alive, and call them tortured souls (actually, fresh blood on white bones should be quite bright red, but wouldn't look very medieval to me), etc, but then i wouldn't see how the vampire and the lich and the bone dragon would fit at all.
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Wesley
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posted December 04, 2001 12:59 AM |
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My Opinion.
I think it's gone worse! Giving the devils home into the death realms seems bad to me.. I really like undead(look at my old name  And those red guys just spoil the places of all my so beloved undead. I say drop them out! Let only Vampire,Skeleton,Bone Dragon in. The rest are for other towns.
And for all those vampire haters. Those are the coolest vampires in the HOMM history! They never looked better. hmm maybe in Might and magic 7 or 8. But not in Homm1 2 or 3. The new vampires are really greath! I love them! And hopefully they stay that way.. If not.. NWC prepare for a wave of letters from wesley
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Gerdash
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from the Animated Peace
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posted December 04, 2001 05:03 PM |
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the vampires are great for their attitude or the impression you get when you look at them (looks quite proud and noble imho). but in the context of medieval clothing fashion (or the clothing fashion of other homm creatures) they look ridiculous. just like being dressed according to the medieval fashion would attract attention in modern times. and even worse, because in modern times we know that it's just medieval times clothing, but suits had never been seen before in medieval times, as far as i understand. only a fool could dress like that in medieval times, and even this would be rather unlikely. it's just too modern. i say, same kind of attitude would be nice, but suitable clothing is a must.
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Gerdash
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from the Animated Peace
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posted December 04, 2001 05:40 PM |
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hmm.. and i wonder what you ppl think about the bright green zombies..
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Wesley
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Famous Hero
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posted December 04, 2001 06:00 PM |
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What I think about zombies
I think there shoulden't be a zombie at all... They are boring Slow weak and pethetic creatures. Make them into Ghouls. GHouls are faster. Better. Stronger. Cooler. And you can make many special abilities for the ghouls.
But 3do sticks with their own creatures. Only the cool creatures (Gorgon, Manticore,pit lord) they leave behind. The stupid creatures return in every game. Even wolf joins this fantasy game..
And zombies being female? yeah sure... They should be at least like the zombies in homm3.
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hobgoblin
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posted December 05, 2001 09:37 AM |
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Don't agree
Wesley I don't agree with you. I think zombies are cool, (the concept, I didn't see the image).
For me a creature is not cool because of its power, its speed...
I don't understand why they should be replaced because of their spped
It's normal that there are slow creatures in HOMM.
For the rogue, I've never thought that rogue were sinfull
creatures. They just havn't laws.
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Gerdash
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posted December 06, 2001 12:54 PM |
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the rogues not being sinful.. it may be bit vague, but actually i didn't say that they were sinful either, did i? i find it bit difficult to comment more than i said originally. not even about them having laws or not..
it may be one way or another.
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vladpopescu79
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posted December 06, 2001 09:25 PM |
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About zombies...
I think that zombies are needed in necrotown.
What I don't like is their new look.First they are green (I know dead people are green, but only for a while and not all over the body, and certainly not THAT green...); then they turned them into women and in the end they ripped their flesh from an arm and a leg.They should be decayed in the overall aspect, not simply missing flesh. And where are the flies that I loved in h2?
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Tortoise
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Master of Reptiles.
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posted December 06, 2001 10:25 PM |
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about the atmosphere.. i know that gone and done but i have some ideas that 3do should have used imo... First of all.. from what i see the screenshots are too damn bright!!!! a necro town should not be bright with greys and dull colours.. it should be dark and looming etc... also i think towns should have a sort of aura.. like the preserve would have a shining light from the sun/heavens or whatever.. and the necropolis should have dark clouds like in hmm3 with the smoke stack if they picked dragons... but if they picked devil's it should turn into a fiery cloud like brimstone stormclouds from heroes 3... other towns could have other auras but this post is for necro..
oh ya AND LONG LIVE VAMPIRES!!!!
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Gerdash
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Famous Hero
from the Animated Peace
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posted December 12, 2001 04:13 PM |
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living creatures and undead in same army
what if natural enemies would be berserk against each other at some radius.. that maybe depends on their movement speed..
and what if there were some less natural enemies who would be berserk against each other at some lesser range, except that if opponent creatures are as near or nearer than their enemy creature, they would attack their enemy creature with low probability, and obey your orders with high probability. so if you have them in the same army, you would want to keep them separate.
now, i wonder what it would be like if the undead creatures were the enemies of the inferno creatures (or all living creatures) the second way. in that case you would probably be more motivated to build the necropolis as either undead or inferno, or else you would have to expect some rasonable small complications on the battlefield. e.g. the zombies are slow, you could still use them with imps. and the demon heroes would not have necromancy.
the necro and inferno creatures are difficult for the heroes to manage, they say in the official guide, don't they?
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conn
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God slayer
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posted December 12, 2001 05:54 PM |
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1.First about the pentagram, there are many interpretations, depending on who you ask: in alchemy they represent different elements( sulfur, salt, mercury, and 2 others i can't remember), another interpretation says that the pentagram with one point up is Good and reveresed(2 points up) is Evil, representing Satan piercing the heavens with his horns, then yet another interpretation is the one with spirit-water-...., and there are many others which i can't remember right now. When i get home i will post another message with a link to an alcheny-relatd site which explaines the pentagram in that view.
2. I HATE the ideea of mixed necro/inferno town. In all fantasy stories, movies,...the necropolis is a place only for the undead. Now, however evil and bad and mischievious and anything else they are, demons and the sort are ALIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What the f!%* they are dong in the necropolis, only heaven knows(heaven knows the affairs of the necropolis,hm.... strange).
and now to your other questions, gerdash:
1. sorry i can't answer that due to my ignorance in that area( i don't know many legends about hydras)
2. I think the nightmare is inferno, maybe because it is associated with fire magic, has a fire mane...
3.As far as i know, nightmares are summoned in legends and do not exist by themselves(like a zombie or skeleton)
4.no point in answering this question. just look at the previous answer
5.in the begging of the post i answered this question
6.necro was never my favourite town. I liked it, but it was never my "favourite".So, i think i should let the ppl who know the town better than me speak.
I hope you find the info helpful Gerdash.
I think this my longest post yet since i joined the community
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vladpopescu79
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Famous Hero
a vampire of taste
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posted December 12, 2001 09:52 PM |
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The aura of the necropolis is completey ruined by the presence of demonic creaures and buildings in it. They simply add color and life where there should be non... no need to speak about incongruences in tactics when you will lead in battle an army as a combination of undead and demoniacs. I think the assembly of Necropolis and Inferno into a single town was dictated by the Spell System, and this argument proves the system wrong. Of course it is too late to change that now, since this new feature is practically the backbone of the game, but maybe a solution of breaking these races apart could still be found. Instead of only one town per spell category, there could be two or more...do you think that would be a problem? I don't.
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hobgoblin
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posted December 12, 2001 11:12 PM |
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About magic system
It's what I thought. Undead and demons have been mixed because they represent the death-magic, ennemy of the life magic.
I agree with Vlad, having two towns representing death magic would not be a problem, at least, it would be better than the mix we have.
About the hydra, I just know that the hydra was invented in Grec mithology, it was a monster that Hercules had to fight. The hydra lived in the swamp, and it was a bad creature. I don't know if there are many other myths about this monster.
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Wesley
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Famous Hero
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posted December 13, 2001 12:40 AM |
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Hydra
Is a sun of Echidna mother of all monsters. And typhon the 100headed giant was the father.. But Hera stole some blood of this creature and spreaded them all over the land. to get more of them.
The hydra is used in many stories/games and movies..
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Gerdash
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Famous Hero
from the Animated Peace
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posted December 14, 2001 05:24 PM |
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When i get home i will post another message with a link to an alcheny-relatd site which explaines the pentagram in that view.
i hope you will get home soon, because i have become quite interested in the topic. a good alchemy-related site would be very nice to take a look at.
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alcibiades
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Undefeatable Hero
of Gold Dragons
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posted November 18, 2006 03:35 PM |
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Eh ... please read the forum guidelines BEFORE you ask about cracks (and ressurect 5 year old topics   ).
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