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TDL
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posted January 21, 2008 08:33 PM |
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Are we making progress ?
Greetings, fellow members of Heroes Community!
Lately, as you may have noticed, I've been trying to reingratiate back into community after one of my long term disappearances. As always I kept lurking a great part of the time, observing what was happening here, but as time progressed, I was quick to notice an interesting phenomenon. Basically, while I was on holidays, I thought it through (yea, I get into things too easily) and what I realized was how the community changed of the past few years. And this does not mean basic forum changes or new members introduction, rather the changing posting style and the growing quality of the posts. Due to such rhetorical-philosophical torments within my mind, a question arose and tormented me until I finally dared to sit down and to think about it: are we, members of HC, making progress?
One of the driving reasons for me to assemble this post in general (apart from reading and reviewing Vlaad's HC Sociogram thread) was my constant lust to check the memberlist statistics for occasional changes in the forum. While I have always witnessed how the title page stood at a complete standstill, the amount of pages covering the amount of people awarded with shinies and with enormous amounts of posts in total constantly grew wider and wider. Thus, I decided to delve into the area, counting and examining everything to the very roots of the list, generating a table where I could compile my gatherings. Below you will find a resume, including every single aspect I analyzed while calculating.
While everything that I have written is self-explanatory, I'd like to comment more on this short analysis. After additionally reviewing the table I posed several questions to myself, first of them being a dilemma if the percentage reflects a tendency true to the forums. Remembering the old times of Heroes Community, one of the first things I remembered was the first FAQ/Rules page where it was written that high quality quality-point-awarded posts make up to roughly 0.(0)2% of total posts. According to the percentage I provide you with, the current situation is very different from what it was supposed to be according to "primal deductions". However, this does not necessarily mean that the quality of posts is regressing. Actually, facts speak quite the opposite, but I will discuss this later on. The reason I am outlining this is that a lot of worthy posts have been overlooked and their real worth has diminished since, even before we got to know about it, while nowadays more and more of them have been increasingly awarded with bonuses, despite that sometimes these quality points stop the on-going discussion. Yet, this sword is double-edged - while there is a mass of members in the community, only a certain few hundred of them are constantly active. This contradiction between facts led me again to some sort of puzzlement, which, in effect, became one of the reasons to reflect on this matter and discuss it in public.
This second part of the dilemma, while comprised of more than three different parts - the circuit of members, moderators and forum popularity - basically represents a single statement, governing the augmenting quality point application. If we were to draw a diagram based on the total amount of members and the amount of members awarded with bonuses, we would get a distorted equation (function) as this does not grant us true answers. Many members join, yet stay inactive, thus the real value stays hidden. But the argument in the equation never stays the same as the axis twists as times change. And time changes the loop of forum popularity...
While I haven't done any in-depth checking about what concerns the growing rates of quality point application as of late and basically delved into what I have seen over my activity periods, got glimpses of what was happening for some time now (everchanging list of members awarded with red shinies on heroesofmightandmagic.com) and checked along the lines of what posts had been circling around in the forums, it seems that a new wave of fervent posters have gathered round to improve these rates even more. However, the oldtimers have suddenly come to a halt, most of them ceasing to post at all, even more so when it concerned lengthy articles or serious discussions, requiring more input. Hence, the whole 'thing' I rant about basically governs the 'middle'- people that joined the community around 2004-2006 and the new wave of moderators that have joined the squad since.
Let us look back at the past now. As the quality points had been there long before the 'middle' times came, it is the most truthful 'indicator' of timeline changes and the most effective way of reasoning the varying forum popularity, based on the amounts of good posts in them. Nevertheless, the quality points were supposed to be the first to show the quality of the post (and as such, of the poster and even of the forum in general), and knowing there were far less forums in the community (Heroes 3, 4, TOH, WoG, Myths and Heroes, etc.), it was far more difficult to obtain any. Therefore, the amplitude was much lesser and I am unable to ground my opinion further on only on several statements that do not revolve around the whole thing.
Then again, there is this third part of the dilemma which is much easier to explain and analyse, even though it is mostly based on speculations: the interplay between quality points, growing quality of members' posts and moderator behaviour. Considering quality points as an excellent way to show off the quality of a certain post or a thread, moderators apply quality points. The better the thread, the more chance. Exceptional threads are rated for sure and even more than one quality point may be applied. BUT! As the time changed and more quality points got applied, moderators started to give out quality points not only to award a member for its efforts to post. This as well worked as a tool to bolster the activity in a particular forum, as well as to heaten up an on-going discussion. Hence, according to what is happening, I judge that members' posting is changing and more attention and care are put into the posts, which, by itself, means that we are making progress. But to what extent?
Basically, that is the ending of my rant and start for discussion. Everyone is welcome to comment and provide us with their own opinions. I apologize sincerely for my grammar flaws in the rant but this text simply flowed through my finger tips as I was trying to view it from all possible perspectives (which I think I might not have succeeded until I have discussed it). Based on everything I have found, I can surely say we are making progress, through many ways, but still reaching the same progressive level of posting. I strongly encourage people to work as hard and even more as they are doing now, as is noticeable per se in Temple, Other Side and Altar.
As for now, pose yourself this question: are we making progress? is the community getting better? Look into yourselves and try to find the answers. I have none. I would extremely like to hear from moderators, to see how they perceive the good biddings of our community 
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Elvin
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Endless Revival
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posted January 21, 2008 11:47 PM |
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So in a nutshell you feel that there are more quality posts than before and that it has affected the forum positively?  Personally it never occurred to me to check the memberlist statistics though I keep an eye out for changes. As for the 2% this does not automatically mean that all top 2% must be given a qp there are still some things to consider. I don't think I have seen a case where giving one has halted the discussion by receiving one except for the cases where there was NOT going to be much discussion anyway but the masterpost was good.
You are right though, while I have observed some people amassing quality points at a higher rate(usually threadstarters or those that can keep a discussion going) there are always newbies that will pop out of nowhere with a very good post. As long as there is activity and interest, quality posts will appear. Of course giving a few bonuses will give an incentive for more quality posts to come but I have not given or seen others give cheap qps.
I don't know how hard it might have been to gain qps in the past but the reasoning that fewer forums were responsible is flawed, people don't visit them all anyway.
Btw that was a bit incoherent
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alcibiades
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posted January 22, 2008 12:40 AM |
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Interesting discussion.
I must say, I don't agree with everything you say. Looking through the history of some of the more game-related fora (like Altar Of Wishes, which I happen to be browsing through these days) I will say Quality Bonuses are not easier obtained these days than back in the old days - quite on the contrary, there are a lot of old posts that have been applied QP's back then which would probably not earn them these days - not because the posts are not good, but simply because there has been a change in QP policy since then. You hardly see any posts of 5 or even 10 lines of text obtaining bonuses these days. Not saying that quality is equated to quantity these days - because that's not the truth - but simply that these days it seems to me you have to work more - and longer - to obtain a quality bonus.
Is that a bad thing? Not necessarily. There are different uses of Quality Bonuses, one of them being to pin-point the best posts for the users, and the other is to encourage the forumers to strive for better quality due to the inherent advantages of obtaining a certain number of quality points. This duality could be problematic if it was not that it's a relationship that's benificial for both parts: The awarded forumer obtains advanteges and strives to gain more bonuses, and this in time increases the quality of the content of the forum.
As a Moderator, I have sometimes been faced with the dilemma of whether to apply a Quality Bonus or not. Some posts call for it directly, other are on the verge, maybe a certain poster has made a lot of posts that were all on the verge without perhaps quite qualifying singularly, maybe he's done something great for the forum, maybe he just wrote something unrelated that's really funny, or whatever. And what is quality after all?
I think it's true that you will see a pattern, when new moderators join, there will probably be a rise in QP rate, perhaps because fresh eyes are easier to impress, or because they appreciate slightly different things than the old team members - but also, when new members join, there will be a slight drop in QP rate, because everything being equal, older members are generally more dedicated and also know what triggers the bonuses - which is not a bad thing. For instance, upon the release of TotE, we saw a huge influx of new members in the Temple of Ashan, which was great, because that helps the forum to stay alive. Over the last couple of months, there's been a suptle change, as these forumers are starting to get used to the ways here, which has left a noticable imprint on the average posting quality there.
Are we making progress? I'm not sure things have actually changed that much. I think, however, that quality bonuses are a great way to not only pinpoint what's good, but also to motivate forumers to ever strive for increasing the quality. This will probably create a natural cycle for the member: Newbie > Regular (~ rank promising) > Longtimer (~ rank responsible) > Oldie (~ rank honorable) > Dormant *or* institution (= Pandora  ). As old members leave us and go dormant, new members join, and the whole thing is repeated.
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posted January 22, 2008 01:22 AM |
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give this kid a QP for doing an indepth analisys! i mean look how long it is... and on the other hand, he did a great job! about the QP's, i felt like browsing through the very, very first pages of some forums and noticed that back then, QPs were awarded not for writing a ginormous post like nowadays, but for suggesting a great idea, helping out a lot of people, spreading some more light on an unpopular onpinion, and other things which are almost impossible to make into a big post but are rather really important ones. i don't understand why someone has to get a Quality point for wasting their time writing. it is sort of unfair(in my opinion)that just because people with less time miss out on getting QPs, while people with lots of time just sit there getting QPs for barely doing anything but just writing a long post. i mostly hang out in the workshop and lately radar has made quite a few cool creatures, but he still didn't get a QP for making them, even thou it took a while and they are just looking great. Kronos did not get a single QP even tho he made some outstanding posts and really hit the "quality"(it's all just my opinion...). so i think that QPs shouldn't be awarded for writing a long post, or winning a contest. but they should be awarded for great contributions to the forum.
PS: and DON'T give me a QP because i made this long post!
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TDL
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posted January 22, 2008 07:45 AM |
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give this kid a QP for doing an indepth analisys! i mean look how long it is... and on the other hand, he did a great job! about the QP's, i felt like browsing through the very, very first pages of some forums and noticed that back then, QPs were awarded not for writing a ginormous post like nowadays, but for suggesting a great idea, helping out a lot of people, spreading some more light on an unpopular onpinion, and other things which are almost impossible to make into a big post but are rather really important ones. i don't understand why someone has to get a Quality point for wasting their time writing. it is sort of unfair(in my opinion)that just because people with less time miss out on getting QPs, while people with lots of time just sit there getting QPs for barely doing anything but just writing a long post. i mostly hang out in the workshop and lately radar has made quite a few cool creatures, but he still didn't get a QP for making them, even thou it took a while and they are just looking great. Kronos did not get a single QP even tho he made some outstanding posts and really hit the "quality"(it's all just my opinion...). so i think that QPs shouldn't be awarded for writing a long post, or winning a contest. but they should be awarded for great contributions to the forum.
PS: and DON'T give me a QP because i made this long post!
Actually, that is the kind of perspective I was trying to discuss and this is that part of the phenomenon about quality points that I dislike. While many community members usually say a post is good, it should be awarded and stuff, it is not realized that a post must stand out to really suffice for a quality point. A post must attract and invoke a discussion, otherwise it should effectively affect the quality of the forum.
I perfectly well understand Wulfstan and his long-post policy. That is basicly the reason why I am telling that quality points seem easier to acquire. Time investment and post length should not be the only factors to affect the outcome of a post, if it is awarded with quality points or not. However, I
And thirdly, Wulfstan, you should understand that people write posts not for quality points only. I know I made some checking, but it was my curiosity that led me to it. If I hadn't been attracted to check what is happening over time, I would not have noticed this (basically, not many would have noticed it) and would never have created this thread.
As for Alcibiades and Elvin. Basically I could share alc's opinion and I am extremely glad he replied. But I am not really sure as to how I should understand elvin's opinion fully. I think that I might have seen different aspects in the life of HC as a member, that is why our perceptions differ.
However, I am open to change my point of view if I am given the chance to understand the very core of the phenomenon. Alas, that is what I have been trying to do for a long time.
P.S. The application of qps as you have described Wulfstan is an interesting perception. However, while I agree that modders workshop is overlooked and most of the guys' work is left unnoticed, it might not be a good idea to start abusing them for quality points. I mean that a good many of the posters would receive quality points for their work but that would not really invoke interesting discussions or more attention, rather even more mods and more stuff. As for winning competitions and contests, every contest requires input. Say, HC's got talent. Or Homm board game competition. When an entry is good and the idea is overall genuine OR simply outstanding, it should be awarded.
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Aculias
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posted January 22, 2008 07:56 AM |
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We had this topic before awhile back.
As usual I basically say what you said but in a more readable way & you get the look at of course .
Anywho, it depends on the Moderator & thier interests & yes favortism
Not all but some mods.
It has been like that for yrs.
I think during the yrs the mods had misintrepeted when or how to dish out QP's
It is easiar. Maybe 2 yrs ago was the easiast when TNT got like 5749984558949 QP's for Care bear threads
People getting QP's for winning games, that should be in the FAQ because nowadays thats a rule as it seems.
Just the yrs of mods who come & go.They all are different & they all have different pereferences.
You sound like you want HC to quit TDL the unforgotten original name that will always remain nameless to me.
Even though I can always ask Redsoxfan who you were AGAIN
You seem negative in this post.
Heroes 3 was hugh.
In comparison with people who dont play in tournaments as much as a few yrs back, I find that it's not that bad at all.
People come & go & i actually enjoy watching the changes that comes every 6 months.
every 6 months people come & go, change & just a whole new environment.
I find it fun to meet these new people &what they bring.
I know i will never have it like in 2001-2004 but it's still interesting.
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Mytical
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Chaos seeking Harmony
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posted January 22, 2008 08:25 AM |
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There are some members, like me, who find it hard to put our thoughts in a coherent manner. It's been hinted to me I come off snobish, or overbearing, or such. Which is the furthest thing from what I try to convey.
Quality indeed is subjective. There are times when it is blatently obvious that somebody deserves an acknowledgement for their work, and other times when a lot of effort was put in, but it is unfinished. A lot of my work fits the last part. I loose interest quickly, especially without feedback. That is why I know those efforts don't deserve any acknowledgement. I disagree that it is easier to gain quality points. In fact, I think it is a bit stricter, but in my opinon that is as it should be.
Interesting posts are nice, but real concentrated thought and effort is, in my opinon, the most important reason for a quality point. You deffinately should help others if possible, but not do so just for some abstract reward. Most of the quality point posts I've came accross, have deffinately earned them. Some, I think have even deserved two or more for a single post.
Hey, I've had my drama queen moments where I thought I was overlooked. Probably will have a time or two in the future. For the most part, I tell myself this. Work hard, post well, but do so because you enjoy doing so. It's not about the destination (the little red star), it's about the journey.
I know I ramble alot, and there is a point to all of this, but remember I am the Mistress of Chaos . Post on things you enjoy and feel passionate about. Discuss things you like, with people you like or would like to get to know. Be genuine, be honest, and most importantly be yourself. If your posts and thoughts helps somebody, so much the better. Enjoy that fact, does it really matter if you get some shiny to say you did a good thing. Especially when you know you have.
I think the community is no better nor worse then it ever has been. We have some spammers, but they are the spice of the place.
We have the normal posters, who contribute in their own way, in their own time.
We have the quality posters, who inform us and entertain us.
We have the Mods, who are doing the best job they can.
We have nice people, we have jerks, and we have some that are somewhere inbetween.
Just like any community anywhere in the world.
Come here because you like to, post in the subjects you like, ignore the ones you don't. Try to be good to one another, and treat people like you want to be treated.
So yeah, I think that Heroescommunity is a great place. It has problems, but there isn't anywhere that doesn't. Ok, enough rambling, please return to your normally scheduled program.
P.S. I personally think TDL that, for instance, you have earned every last qp. Maybe even didn't get every one you should have. So I don't think it is worse then before, just different.
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Aculias
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Pretty Boy Angel Sacraficer
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posted January 22, 2008 08:36 AM |
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I dont think the mods really care anymore about dissing QP's more then deserving .
From the newer mods the the mods who has not been here for awhile.
It seems basically all of them have fallen in the shadows
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alcibiades
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posted January 22, 2008 08:46 AM |
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... about the QP's, i felt like browsing through the very, very first pages of some forums and noticed that back then, QPs were awarded not for writing a ginormous post like nowadays, but for suggesting a great idea, helping out a lot of people, spreading some more light on an unpopular onpinion, and other things which are almost impossible to make into a big post but are rather really important ones.
Yeah, I have been aware of this change also, like I said before. I have sometimes considered awarding QPs for smaller posts that I thought was very good, but that would mean a dramatic rise in QP rate I think - which is not necessarily a bad thing, just something which it is not only my decision to make. I think if people here really felt such a change would be neaded, we could make it - we just need to take the decision in common (meaning all mods of all fora).
Also, remember that if you see something you think is worthy of a QP you can always let the Moderators know, either through private message or in a feedback thread of the appropriate community. I know it is our job to evaluate the posts, but sometimes we also have to be realistic, and at times where posting rates in certain fora can go way past 100 posts per day, it's simply impossible to read everything in full detail. Personally I think I'm fairly good a spotting the quality posts, but uf course, input is always helpful.
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... i don't understand why someone has to get a Quality point for wasting their time writing. it is sort of unfair(in my opinion)that just because people with less time miss out on getting QPs, while people with lots of time just sit there getting QPs for barely doing anything but just writing a long post.
I would like to add here that quantity does not by itself merrit quality. However, there is often a good correlation - long posts generally have more content, are more worked through, etc. - which will easier merrit a quality bonus.
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i mostly hang out in the workshop and lately radar has made quite a few cool creatures, but he still didn't get a QP for making them, even thou it took a while and they are just looking great. Kronos did not get a single QP even tho he made some outstanding posts and really hit the "quality"(it's all just my opinion...). so i think that QPs shouldn't be awarded for writing a long post, or winning a contest. but they should be awarded for great contributions to the forum.
While this discussion perhaps belongs better in the Workshop, I would like to refer to a post Sfidanza made some time ago, describing his policy for handing out QP's in the workshop. He specifically stated that QP's were not awarded for good mods, but for helpful guides and other posts of qualit content. And about Kronos (we're getting very specific here) he also mentioned that he was holding back on the Tales of Karador project till it was finished with handing out QP's. I'm not sure it was the right decision (it's not way past 50 pages), but that's the reason ...
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william
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LummoxLewis
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posted January 22, 2008 11:30 AM |
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I personally think that it was easier to gain QP's back in the old days (even though I was not here), then it was right now. Why? Because back then, there was a lot of original topics being made.
Now, members may have a hard time making a thread and getting a QP for it because it might have already been done before. Back then, HOMM3 was very popular, so I guess this forum went well back then. Then HOMM4 came out, and it did good then as well.
Now that HOMM5 is out, there are a lot of new threads being made that actually deserve QP's because they are original, and they help the members. That is because the threads have never been made before and they are original, because HOMM5 did not exist back then. But my point is, that this forum is HOMM orientated right? Well through the years, i guess that the QP's given would have been easy when the new games were being introduced.
This could also apply to the Tavern as well, because threads back then may not have been around, and when they were made, they would have been original at the time. Now however someone might create something similar and it will most likely not get a QP because it has already been done before.
I regularly browse through the member-list to see for forum updates and whatnot, such as the Post Count of some members, and the QP's. I also look on AOH for the recent QP's given (Would be cool to see the recent penalties given too ).
But my point is, that with every new game that is coming that involves HOMM, there will be new threads being made and then QP's are to be given if they are original and informative or the thread starter helps in some way.
Does this make any sense or is this off-topic?
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TDL
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posted January 22, 2008 02:36 PM |
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To clear some things up :) Seems the post was a bit incoherent :D
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You sound like you want HC to quit TDL the unforgotten original name that will always remain nameless to me.
Even though I can always ask Redsoxfan who you were AGAIN
You seem negative in this post.
That is exactly what I wanted to evade. I have a hard time staying neutral and in this post, although leaning towards one or the other side, I tried to post my idea as neutral as possible. I was not criticizing any of the features, however, and did not want to rant on HC in general. This was the way for me to ground some of my statements, in order to later be able to spark a discussion, BASED on the topic title more than my post.
And pecu, if you want to rediscover my name, simply try deciphering the letters. In some manner, I could hint you that it is not That D*** Loser But what concerns quitting - this is what I least wanna do whenever I come back  My post seemed to have confused you  
Mytical:
I basically agree with everything you said as your opinion seems the most neutral in all manners. I respect and understand it.
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P.S. I personally think TDL that, for instance, you have earned every last qp. Maybe even didn't get every one you should have. So I don't think it is worse then before, just different.
And I am happy that I am who I am and how it turned out to be. I am glad I am not getting too many quality points or something as it seems inappropriate. If I get a quality point, I need to feel that I have earned it and will possibly continue to work out for it. But I see that many people are not getting quality points (ie, your case: multiple threads and posts in the glade) while others are getting them for mediocre quality (not to mention there were a few of those in my list).
Alc's posts are self-explanatory. No comment
William:
By no means is this off-topic. However, you did not respond to the level of progress made in the community. Basically, you have added a lot that I had missed in the master post and even though you might have a different opinion, I think we share some aspects of it.
Nevertheless, you are an example of how we progress and change. Yes, growing and aging always affects your mind, behaviour, and by that your posts and thoughts expressed on the forums. How you have changed since joining perfectly well shows me that members change. But how the forums change, how the quality point rates are affected and how to understand the social issues within the boards is beyond my capabilities to understand. Maybe someone will one day provide me with an overall explanation of all the 'why' and 'how', who knows...
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antipaladin
Promising
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posted January 22, 2008 03:24 PM |
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While reading Zombie executiner post,i stumbled upon a setnece explaining all
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, but simply because there has been a change in QP policy since then
Excally.. and what is that change?
I remmber the days where a QP could be recived for a well written guide,a buitfull creation of a monster,an intelgent idea,a sweal talent..
for insteance,in the first round of the HC got a talent,notice 2 rounds of QP ware given,one: to whomever participate in the first round (1 qp each) and 1 more to who ever finished,and to leo the creater.
Do we see this repeated? no. why?
I have made meny times seggestions to modorators on what i think should recive a qp,but they mostly denyaed it,yeah its subjective on one point,
but if u cant' decide and wont listen to me,what are the change he will get a qp?
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william
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LummoxLewis
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posted January 22, 2008 03:34 PM |
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but if u cant' decide and wont listen to me,what are the change he will get a qp?
Just because one member might suggest for a QP doesn't mean that the person will get one. I guess it is up to the moderator to decide, and also the fact that if a lot of people think it is worthy, then the moderator will give a QP to it.
Is this what you kinda meant?
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antipaladin
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posted January 22, 2008 04:13 PM |
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not quite.
if a bounc of memmbers say this one post should be rewoarded,yet the modrator declines,and says hes not sure,no body is going to judge the post for or against QP,so the post will remain unreworded even if it should..this is happends much latly.
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TDL
Honorable
Supreme Hero
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posted January 22, 2008 04:15 PM |
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not quite.
if a bounc of memmbers say this one post should be rewoarded,yet the modrator declines,and says hes not sure,no body is going to judge the post for or against QP,so the post will remain unreworded even if it should..this is happends much latly.
I think that is why we have multiple admins per forum. So that qp giving is not biased.
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antipaladin
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posted January 22, 2008 04:21 PM |
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yeah but if you will say something to other modrator,and they will converse between themself,you will turn out like an 'arse' due to the fact that despite being answerd you go ask a'second point of view'. This might insult the moderator and will earn you a pentality warning or alteast a guilty counceses,if the modrator will speak with you about the pending subject.
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alcibiades
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Undefeatable Hero
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posted January 22, 2008 04:22 PM |
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, but simply because there has been a change in QP policy since then
Excally.. and what is that change?
I remmber the days where a QP could be recived for a well written guide,a buitfull creation of a monster,an intelgent idea,a sweal talent ...
First of all - why is it that all you guys bring up the example of guides that used to receive quality points? Show me a single wellwritten strategy guide in the Temple Of Ashan, or a single useful modding guide in the Modder's Workshop that has not been awarded a QP.
I think the main change has come in the "small idea" section, like William described well above: In the old days, when the community was new, it was easy to come up with original concepts for the game. That's not really the case anymore, even though the game has changed, much is still the same, and it's more difficult to come up with original concepts.
That being said, as a recent mod of the Altar, I'm very open for handing out QP's for people who come up with good concepts, no matter if something similar has been discussed 5 years prior. There's been handed out a lot of QP's for factions suggestions over the years. That falls within this category. There's also been dished out a number of QP's for recent Heroes 6 concepts.
But as a Mod, I will not hand out QP's to anybody who has a stray thought and makes a thread about it. If you come up with a concept, you should work it through. You should address issues and questions from other users as to what may be problematic, or how it may fit into the game. THEN I think it's worth a QP.
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For insteance,in the first round of the HC got a talent,notice 2 rounds of QP ware given,one: to whomever participate in the first round (1 qp each) and 1 more to who ever finished,and to leo the creater.
Do we see this repeated? no. why?
There has been handled out lots of QP's in the Coliseum to partitioners of contests. The second ICTC, for instance. Or the Heroes board game competition. All the arrangers of the Temple of Ashan weekly quiz got QP's. All the contestants didn't, because I don't think that participating in a quiz as such ranks as a quality contribution to the forum. So I don't really see a problem there either.
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GenieLord
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posted January 22, 2008 04:48 PM |
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People have been awarded with QP's for original and creative concpets on the HOMM forums, as Alc said. When more and more concepts are being presented, finding new ones is harder, and we can see that the rating of the QP's awarding is descreased. It's like the science through the history; with the time, inventing/discovering new things has become harder and a thing that requires efforts, since the things which are more obvious and easy to invent/discovere, have already been invented/discovered.
But if you think about it, you can easily see the BRIGHT side of all this:
Since it's harder to gain QP's, people obviously try harder, put more efforts on their posts, and the quality of the entire community have been raising. It's a circle that brings good results, after all, although the members themselves might not like it; people would like to have QP's easier to gain without special efforts. But what can we do? Isn't it better this way?
If QP's were so easy to get, they would lose their enormous value. If they lose their value, people won't put effort to get them, and the entire system would be pointless.
So everyone who asks to make the QP's easier to gain, remember that the fact that they're so hard to gain, makes the system so strong, stable and worthful.
QP's have a meaning here, after all, if we like it or not, if we deny it or not.
When a newbie gets to the forum, he has a lot of respect for those with a large amount of QP's.
QP's give you a good first impression on people, and a better reputation. People judge you different with them, although sometimes it shouldn't be this way...
Are we making progress? Certainly.
The posts are have been slowly becoming better, since the desire for QP's has been growing so quickly. And if we think about it, the growing efforts to get QP's are these who make the QP's to become so valueable, and are these that make them be awarded not as often as they used to be.
Conclusion:
This is an endless circle. Any action to stop it from continuing can sadly, make the entire thing to fall (for example, making QP's easier to gain).
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antipaladin
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Legendary Hero
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posted January 22, 2008 11:04 PM |
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There is no reason to qoute both Alc,and GL,i agree with both,yeah i understand now,it does seems better that QP became harder to come by. Its maybe less fun on the personal level,but I can see the bigger picture now,if the QP will drop it value as quickly and repditly as the doller,HC will be lost.
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Vlaad
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ghost of the past
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posted January 22, 2008 11:12 PM |
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Red stars are just small gif files.
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