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Elit
Famous Hero
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posted April 03, 2008 10:12 PM |
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realy shame action from the_teacher.
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the_teacher
Supreme Hero
Talk to the hand!
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posted April 03, 2008 11:06 PM |
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my last word is : and i dotn want to believe this is inquisitory:
jinxer strory is real 90%. and i can remember exaclty my wordsfrom the first day when jinxer starts whinning : i said that i dont ever used stalker tactic becasue i consider it a bit cheesy and for the second reson that i dont know to handle it properly in order to not suicide and. as a gift, i made promise to not experimetn this tactic in the current game . u can call it a favor rule i made to jinxer.
about hit and run dunno if he mentioned, but i definetelly not promised to do it or not, which also wasnt part of our clanwar rules (no divine vengeance was the only one)and no spoken rule before the game cause i played random, onyl thing that i told him related to hit and runs it was that i really dont like dungeon because of this aspect and his weak army which force player most of the time to use it. thats all, no other rule, or promise etc. just a comment around the h'n'r subject. the only promise was that i wont clear map with stalkers only which is exactly i did, i took babes and hydras and dragons and thus i lost alot.
point.
i reported the game because he ddint shake the hand i offered and called me the worst names instead.
i wont post here anymore, all that happend has been spoken. i will never feel guilty about trying to win with all i could in a fair way. no cheat , no breaking rule.
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INSATIABLE
Supreme Hero
Ultimate N00bidity
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posted April 03, 2008 11:39 PM |
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jinxer
is always better NOT to be a fool
me and teach had played around 12 games in RatRace map, i won only 2.. many times being crashed by his 'im so weak' statements that made me feel more relaxed while he played his last cards - must been aces 
now why would i want to be in a team with such a guy...
NOT being a fool is somthing YOU do, is not given by others to you
maybe teacher teach jinxer not to be a fool..
maybe jinxer should control a bit his hate feelings..
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Strider_HL
Famous Hero
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posted April 03, 2008 11:56 PM |
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Hey, stop this nonsense! First, everyone attacked Teacher, now - Jinxer... As I suspected this all has been a grave misunderstanding. Both of them ARE honourable veterans who have proved their virtues over time!
Also, I'd like to encourage rest of ppl to wait for defendant's reply before throwing stones. My strong belief is that Jinxer felt righteous and Teacher did as well because both of them had DIFFERENT understanding of what was said... it happens sometimes! For instance, in my last game I felt frustrated about similar situation where I had "misunderstood" opponent's words. Good thing that everything ended well... It would be a complete disaster if we followed example of this thread.
Perhaps, these two mature players still can repair the bridge connecting them. Maybe to replay the game, apologize, whatever... It is time to exhibit maturity though I know that it's easier said than done
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fiur
Promising
Supreme Hero
Map Creator
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posted April 04, 2008 12:08 AM |
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well for the "record" games can be like this too :
Dragons Cape
and yes I like both Jinxer and The Teacher..... and I'm sure they gonna "repair" the brigde....
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INSATIABLE
Supreme Hero
Ultimate N00bidity
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posted April 04, 2008 12:26 AM |
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like em both! 
is bigamy permited in finland ? 
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fiur
Promising
Supreme Hero
Map Creator
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posted April 04, 2008 12:50 AM |
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Edited by fiur at 00:51, 04 Apr 2008.
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like em both!
is bigamy permited in finland ?
lol Insatiable... not sure about finland... but where I live (in Norway) it sure is...  
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
*****
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posted April 04, 2008 01:09 AM |
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Edited by Jinxer at 02:55, 04 Apr 2008.
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jinxer
many times being crashed by his 'im so weak' statements that made me feel more relaxed .
So your saying that he was intentionally trying to mislead me?!?!?! Somehow that makes it seem even worse.
****Bottom line is if I didnt truely believe that he said he wouldnt hit and run me... I would have taken the shackles! ***
Now even tho teacher claims to not comment any further... I want to pose a question.. In an attempt to understand the logic here.
@ Teacher -- If I had shackles could you have won the game??
Thats the part that is soo frustrating to me... is if there wasnt any misleading or misunderstanding comments at beginning of game... then I see dungeon I take Shackles -- I win .... or if I did understand you right and you dont hit and run me -- I win... so you didnt deserve that win no matter which way you look at it. You dont have to be a vulcan to see the logic here! 
There is NO way I could have been in your shoes and went to the WIN page and filled it out. That is where the integrity in ones honor shows thru... or you coulda said, you know, there was no way for me to win if you took shackles sorry for misunderstanding, you are right I wouldnt have had a chance...and then we coulda worked something out..
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gmmari
Adventuring Hero
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posted April 04, 2008 02:11 AM |
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i think in future would be better not talk during the game for nothing
We all should decide before the game start all rules(no rules is the best way) and talk with the other only for to advice that it's time to save
In this way we can play and choose any tactic we want and avoid any question that sometimes appear on the screen or to do a pact beetween
the player that no question about the game will be done
jinxer i understand you and you're right in many thing but:
what decision you would had taken if you didn't ask teacher nothing?
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
*****
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posted April 04, 2008 02:54 AM |
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jinxer i understand you and you're right in many thing but:
what decision you would had taken if you didn't ask teacher nothing?
That is simple. When playing Against Dungeon I ALWAYS take shackles no questions asked.
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vesuvius
Hero of Order
Honor Above all Else
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posted April 04, 2008 04:24 AM |
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Well while playing homm2 in the oracle league... way before you guys were born, I used to use the chat to my advantage to decieve my opponent -- acting weak or 'damn, I screwed up' etc.. and give my opponent a false sense of hope.
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
*****
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posted April 04, 2008 07:01 AM |
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Claiming to be doing bad in game, and saying you wont use hit and run are far far different!
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infinitus
Supreme Hero
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posted April 04, 2008 07:12 AM |
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Teacher is one of the most honorable players on TOH, anything can happen sometimes in heat of battles, we all humans Common is only a game Big respect to both veterans ....
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Nothing's impossible
http://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=loCSLJ6IodY
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DIEGIS
Supreme Hero
power of Zamolxis
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posted April 04, 2008 07:45 AM |
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Teacher is one of the most honorable players on TOH, anything can happen sometimes in heat of battles, we all humans Common is only a game Big respect to both veterans ....
Give me a break with things like this..."Big respect for this and that...". If u have smth to say, say it stright.
I have a clan game with teacher, and he also is telling me same words..."cmon finish me, I am so weak.."
This only make me laught...and I do..
But for saying everything on this clan game, we accepted in the beggining that we wont use DV. When I wrote to Ves, he add it: "no need to specify no DV", on that map DV not allowed. (I played the map blind). Now, all I hope is he will keep hes word, right teacher? I know u're a fair one.
Infinitus, you'll better do smth else, then just giving medals here and there...
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dacian falx behind you
-knowledge itself is power-
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infinitus
Supreme Hero
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posted April 04, 2008 08:46 AM |
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To Diegis - man i just trying to help construct bridge between veterans
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Nothing's impossible
http://www.youtube.com/watch?
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Towerlord
Promising
Supreme Hero
Hero of Good, Slayer of Evil
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posted April 04, 2008 09:09 AM |
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Breaking the rules is a nasty thing, no doubt about that.
But still, I have a question for Jinxer :
Why on earth would you complain about HIT & RUN , and demand (or try to agree ) on such a rule , if you knew you could get the Shackles of War? I am guessing you were playing your own mind games, trying to get an extra 20k gold. I don't know what influence would those 20k have had on the outcome of the final battle , but 20k are really something ~ 6 dragons, so I would say you are incorrect in your statement that the game was yours if you had the Shackles, because your army would be significantly lower.
Also after fighting a main battle , and losing you can always surrender and come back with new forces( or the remaining forces ) and fight a second battle... That is not hit & run, and you shouldn't have acted so puzzled about him wanting to continue the game, nor should you have requested him to remove the garrison.
However since the Teacher has done it several times, he broke the hit & run rule, which I am not fully understanding if agreement was reached upon... but if that was the case, and there was a clear understanding of no hit & run, then the Teacher did a bad thing, but I think you should take part of the blame too, cause you shouldn't have even have mentioned hit & run, since you knew you could have the Shackles and had better knowledge of the map. Trying to agree on such a rule on that map , is like trying to get the 20k gold and the Shackles ...
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sq79
Famous Hero
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posted April 04, 2008 10:59 AM |
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Hey Radoo, when are you coming back ????
Btw... i have the most funny game with you in 200+ game of toh
That academy versus warlock battle
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valkyrica
Supreme Hero
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posted April 04, 2008 11:05 AM |
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In my opinion, any other rule than the ones stated in the "clan rules" are moot.
Of course you can play mind games and deceive your opponent, why not ? Wars have been, are and will be won like that.
Besides, I have watched the game and you could've prevented all that if not for your greed for more "stats".
And as Towerlord stated, when you can get free shackles on that map, why wouldn't you ? When you are 100% sure you'll kill him the first fight.
If we call this a breach of rules, then hit'n'run would be considered attacking with fortress and then retreating bec. of rune depletion, attacking with a w/m hero and retreating bec. the ballista is dead, etc.
On a map that has shackles (not that you really needed them, you could've ended it then and there, if not for the "need" to take some extra boosts) practically for free and you play against dungeon, there's no excuse not to wear them, none whatsoever.
He could've come to you 3 weeks earlier if he had used the stalker tactic and we'd know the outcome of that.
I do have respect for Jinxer and I know (From extensive experience) that he'll come around. He just takes "sure wins that become losses" a bit bad I'm afraid (we all have that in us, i know cause i broke 3 keyboards and 2 mouses in my heroes activity).
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I'm Guybrush Threepwood, mighty pirate
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
*****
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posted April 04, 2008 03:06 PM |
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Edited by Jinxer at 15:44, 04 Apr 2008.
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@ TowerLord -- I never asked Teacher at beginning if we could have a rule about no hit and run. I merely scoffed about the undesirable fate of him more then likely using it agaisnt me since he had just drawn dungeon.. And Teacher volunteered the comments that he was offended that I would even catagorize him with such players that play with such cheesy tactics.
And why would I take shackles instead of 20K when I 100% trust teacher when he said he doesnt play with such tactics as Hit and run???
AND IF I KNEW that he was gonna change his ideals mid game and decide to hit and run me while I was on the way to his castle, I wuldnt have worried about getting the morale uppers and woulda went straight for him.. Again valky and Towerlord, you must not have been reading the posts, in there entirety. When you have the knowledge that someone will NOT be using a certain tactic against you, your ENTIRE game from start to finish is played without doing ALL the things to prevent it.
And yes if I took shackles instead of 20k my army woulda looked 6 Drags smaller as you calculate??? So lets take them 6 drags off.. NOW after that my army looked something like this after final battle-- ( with the 6 Drags removed)
Remaining
11 MagmaDragons ( 17 drags left before we remove 6)
53 Rune Keepers
230 Mountain guards
65 Harpooners
So taking the 20K was not a factor... but again why take shackles if ya DONT need them based on teachers comments.
I also through out games am not confident in my abilites that I am keeping up with opponent and write thru that I am doing bad etc etc... that is a far cry from -- Getting offended when someone accuses me of using cheesy tactics like hit and run and making it appear as if you wont use them... which causes them to change there entire game theory and play style.
@ Valky -- Any past issues I have had over the years were usually all trivial things, and yes most were games that were sure wins that I lost... But those were games that I lost because of MY fault! Because I forgot to wear the light tome that had my ONLY magic immunity spell... or 5 straight bad morales that changed the tide of the battle etc etc...
-- My mistake this game was thinking that I was playing with a trustworthy veteran... and really, from what you say, everything that comes out of his mouth is based on his strategy to manipulate his opponent into playing different. i.e. " if I lead him to believe I am weak he will play lax.... OR if I lead him to believe that I wont hit and run him, maybe he would take shackles!"
Koodos to Teacher then I guess.. He is obviously pretty proud of his deception tactics. I will have to add that to my bag of tricks... so next game when Fiur and I are playing and we agree no Divine Venegance, and it looks like I have been beaten and will likely lose.... ahh hell, lets just throw my honor and integrity into the toilet and cast divine vengeance on him and WIN the game, and then Boast of my genius on how I decieved him to gain the glorius win. wow and I a mighty and powerful Heroes Player, playing in the Tournament of Honour!
To sum it up -- You guys can put what ever spin you want on it, to make our self feel better about your actions, but the bottom line is, teacher implied he wouldnt use hit and run on me, so I didnt take shackles and he hit and run me SEVERAL times with invisible stalkers and that is ONLY reason he was able to win. --- And since he obviously feels as if he did nothing wrong and is proud of his actions, it is for those reasons, I doubt the bridges will ever beable to be mended, and I wont beable to forget. As I said its not as much about the points and the loss, but the priciple behind How and why I lost. And seeing my opponent boast of how smart he was and silly I was to take the long route when I should have assumed that my opponent was gonna go back on his word and hit and run me anyways... are all insulting and sickening.
I started this post, NOT as a portal to BASH teacher.. ( thats why I didnt include his name in initial post ) but more as a warning to others to be careful and not to be tricked into same fate. Teacher knows he couldnt have won that game if I took shackles...And teacher knows in hind site that I MUST have honestly believed that he said he wouldnt have hit and run me, or I WOULD have taken shackles.. teacher is smart guy. So thats another reason its to hard to forgive and forget cause even after I am sure he knows all that... he still took the win and still boasts of his brilliance. Just sad...
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sq79
Famous Hero
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posted April 04, 2008 03:20 PM |
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Agreeing on something in the game, and going back on the word in the same game is just not right. Could have been a misunderstanding also maybe in language barrier ? But seems teachers english standard = A with elit = F as a gauge
Fully support Jinxer's whine this time round
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