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DarkShadow
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posted April 21, 2008 02:25 PM |
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Civilian's right to have a weapon.
I have been thinking lately, civilian weapons pose a large threat and provide protection at the same time.
On some countries, like mine have alot of policies with civilian weapons, like you cannot buy it for self defense.Only hunting and such.And in some countries you cannot own a weapon in a city, does not apply to most but some.
There has been alot of political debate about should civilian firearm's be completely illegalized.In my opinion they should not but only given for hunter's with a hunting license, no criminal background and with mental record's being good.
So, what you think?Should civilian weapon's be illegal?As weapon's I mean everything from shotgun's to crossbows (around here someone was robbed with crossbow).
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Homer171
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posted April 21, 2008 03:02 PM |
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I think it's alright to have a gun on your house for protection and possible for hobby like hunting or sharpshooting. Here in Finland we don't see much civilians carrying guns just hunters and gun collectors.
One time at the bar somebody told me "he is carrying". I didn't get scared but i deffinetly didn't like that. He was smoking pod and gamling and if i know he is also carrying a gun, no more than 5 mins and i wished good "luck" for everyone. Wild wild west just aren't for me  I know thats extreme case but taking gun on bar, store or any other public place just gives me the chills, yeah o really
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Minion
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posted April 21, 2008 03:15 PM |
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Edited by Minion at 15:22, 21 Apr 2008.
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Homer, carrying a gun in a bar(!) or any public place in Finland is illegal. And definately for a reason!
And as for the issue
-You know guns are there to protect you. They provide security above all else. Their purpose is to bring peace to a home, they are for self defense. Yeah, like I said they are there to protect you!
-What do they protect you from?
-From people with smaller guns.
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OmegaDestroyer
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posted April 21, 2008 03:19 PM |
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And in countries like USA you cannot own a weapon in a city, does not apply to some but most.
You can, unless you live in D.C.
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bixie
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posted April 21, 2008 07:10 PM |
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my belief in civilians rights to have weapons is that they can have them if they want, its just survival of the fittest from there on in. If a country want to have weapons, there will be more gun-related deaths, and as a result, that country will end up killing itself, leaving the other countries who are intelligent enough to dis-allow gun laws.
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Homer171
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posted April 21, 2008 07:24 PM |
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@Minion: Yes of course it's illegal and very stupid. Like i said extreme case but can happen. Not in outdoor use should say in every gun, i suppose 
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DarkShadow
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posted April 22, 2008 07:13 AM |
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Here in Finland we don't see much civilians carrying guns just hunters and gun collectors.
And I don't think we see much gunshops either 
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frostwolf
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posted April 22, 2008 09:42 AM |
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Guns should not be allowed to other people than licensed hunters. Self defence is important, but these days we have a lot of non-lethal methods of defending ourselves: mace, high-voltage shockers, extensible batons, all good for self defence and non-lethal. I did hear that pepper spray is illegal in the UK, which seems pretty stupid. It's cheap, convenient, effective, and doesn't kill anyone.
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Mytical
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posted April 22, 2008 10:24 AM |
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Edited by Mytical at 10:32, 22 Apr 2008.
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Which is fine until a criminal with a gun comes along. See the thing about gun laws is they only affect already law abiding citizens. Criminals will still have weapons, because guess what...they are criminals. They don't obey the law. (go figure).
People should have a right to have protection. Now I find it crazy that people complain about bills that limit purchasing such to 1 a month, but that is another story. I am mostly a pacifist. If a criminal broke into my house and didn't endanger me or my family, chances are I would let them take whatever and leave. However, the second my family is in danger it's a whole different ballgame.
I am a pretty strong women, but I harbor no illusions if facing somebody with a gun. Not to mention I may not be a physical match to any intruder. So I should just roll over and let them kill me and my family? 9.999999 times out of 10, they are not going to care if they kill or hurt you, as long as they get what they want.
So unless the people who want to do away with guns are going to pay for the 24/7 security guards for my place, I'd rather have a way of protecting myself thanks . Guns vs (mace, cattle prod, etc) is NOT a good idea. Like I said, the criminals will have no problems getting guns, only the law abiding citizens if a no gun law is passed.
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TitaniumAlloy
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posted April 22, 2008 12:50 PM |
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It's not like a hunting gun can't kill a human...
The loss of recreational hunting as a sport? It's a sacrifice I'm willing to make (as fun as it sounds shooting animals  ...nutcase)
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Criminals will still have weapons, because guess what...they are criminals.
People talk about marijuana as if legalization will increase use by like a thousand fold or something, but then when it comes to guns, they act as if criminals will be able to get the guns just as easy.. (hmm) Not you personally btw I'm just saying.
If guns are illegal throughout the whole country, as they are in Australia, the only way to get them is to smuggle them in.
It's not as if you get them for signing up for a bank
The percentage of armed crimes (and perhaps more importantly, death by shooting) is so much lower it's ridiculous.
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Minion
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posted April 22, 2008 12:53 PM |
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Myticals post is a good example of living in fear and letting it dictate the laws and regulations. You set all criminals into the same category (evil). So if someone would steal, he just as easily would murder. If someone murders, he just as easily rapes etc. A very flawed logic there, because people brake those different laws, albeit all can be said to be criminal, for different reasons. You can't just say that "oh well they are the evil people, that explains it all"
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Mytical
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posted April 22, 2008 01:13 PM |
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Actually no I am not saying that. What I am saying is that those who would kill you, will not have qualms about breaking the law by possessing a firearm. That and it is much easier for the ones who don't follow the laws to find weapons already then law abiding citizens let alone when a gun law is passed. (And don't think they won't be able to).
Also, most of the people (not all mind you) worried about criminals rights, and such have never been the victim of a violent crime. As for fear, if you think I live in fear you apparently don't know me very well. However, that doesn't mean you shouldn't be prepaired.
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TitaniumAlloy
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posted April 22, 2008 01:21 PM |
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An eye for an eye... Leaves us all blind
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posted April 22, 2008 03:40 PM |
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Frostwolf said:Quote:
I did hear that pepper spray is illegal in the UK, which seems pretty stupid. It's cheap, convenient, effective, and doesn't kill anyone.
I don't think pepper spray should be legal. It hurts hell. If pepper spray was legal many teenagers would use it on innocent people.
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angelito
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posted April 22, 2008 08:16 PM |
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If someone comes into your house (mostly because he wants to rob something with value), he expects you to have a weapon (In USA). Therefore he will have one too and shoot you as soon as he will see you, because he is afraid of getting shot by you first.
If u look into countries with restrictive gun laws (germany for example), you can check how often someone has been killed or even wounded in a burglary. Nearly turns to zero.
A burglar wants to steal things...not to kill. Someone who wants to kill or to rape hardly breaks into a "random" house.
The biggest problem I have with "free guns" is the so called "commensurability".
Imagine someone breaks into a house, steals money and maybe tv and dvd player and gets caught by the police. Will he be sentenced to death by the court house? I bet not.
But if the hosue owner is present during the burglary, he is allowed to shoot him. Even if the burglar doesn't have a weapon at all, the house owner had the right to "defend himself" and shoot the burglar to death. So he was sentenced to death.
Is that ok?
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william
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posted April 22, 2008 08:35 PM |
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If someone breaks into your house to try and steal things or they have a gone, then using your fists might do. I am not saying to do this, but it is better to injure someone then to kill them, and I know it isn't good to use violence at all, but if a person came to my house with a gun, I would try anything to stop him. At these times however, you probably won't think straight and you will probably try to find the thing that is most likely to end the situation, a gun, but if you have time to think logically, then try other means.
I don't agree with the rights to have a weapon, even if it is to save themselves.
If you have a gun to protect yourself and someone breaks into your house and they have a gun, you are committing something far greater than they would have been doing. You are killing a human being.
A gun solves nothing.
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yasmiel
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posted April 22, 2008 09:41 PM |
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Edited by yasmiel at 21:42, 22 Apr 2008.
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I don't see how guns can help.
Lets take less than favorable numbers for "non-guns" supporter in next calculation.
People assume that when having a gun, they increase their chances if it comes to gunfight, which is true, but it is more than neutralised by sheer increase in chance that there will be a gunfight at the first place.
Some random observations with numbers that somewhat show my view on this
You don't have a gun:
i think chances are less than 10% you are going to get in a gunfight since you pose no threat (10% is more than it would usually be the case but helps in illustrating the point).
Chances for gunfight = 10%
Chances to die in (lose) gunfight = 100%
Overall death ratio 0.1*100% = 10%
You do have a gun:
Chances for gunfight = 90% (you are basically ENSURING it will happen)
Chances to lose a gunfight = 50%
Overall death ratio = 0.9*50% = 45%
NOTE: the numbers are indeed "semi-random" but i think they show my points well. You are more likely to die with a gun than without when it comes to house burglary.
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OmegaDestroyer
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posted April 23, 2008 01:57 AM |
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If you have a gun to protect yourself and someone breaks into your house and they have a gun, you are committing something far greater than they would have been doing. You are killing a human being.
No. I'd be killing an armed criminal who broke into my home with the intent to harm me.
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william
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posted April 23, 2008 02:41 AM |
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Usually, when somebody breaks into another persons house, they want to steal something, and they only have a weapon in case they need to defend themselves. In the cases if they were trying to kill you and that was their only intent, then something drastic like a gun may be needed.
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OmegaDestroyer
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posted April 23, 2008 02:52 AM |
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The criminal isn't armed for self-defense. They don't have any self-defense when they are breaking into another's dwelling with the intent to harm. The weapon is used for offense, not self-defense.
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