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DeathPhoenix
Tavern Dweller
Holding life by the throat.
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posted May 23, 2008 04:22 AM |
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Death wail - Howl of Terror combo
Okay, I have been trying to make sense of the new Banshee in TOTE, since statistically they are inferior to the Wraith in almost every aspect (except Hit points).
The death wail ability SHOULD make the Banshee just as useful.
The formula of the death wail is = number of Banshees * (10 - target moral). It hits all living enemies 3 tiles away.
I have tried it but it wasn't that powerful.
The key to its power is low moral. But it's rare to get your enemy to have negative moral...except with the howl of terror 
I haven't tried it yet, so is there anyone who tried it already?
If so, is it worth it? Howl of Terror is late game, so to should be the Banshee?
In THEORY it should make the death wail quite powerful. If we have 10 banshees against an army with moral +3; howl of terror would make the moral -3.
SO 10 * (10 - (-3)) = 130 damage to the targets 1 tile away.
Targets 2 tiles away suffer 65 damage.
Targets 3 tiles away suffer 32.5
But is it that good in practise? Taking into account that howl of terror takes a while to get, plus Wraiths (and to a certain extent the cheaper wight) are better than the banshee.
What do you guys think?
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Nerull
Hired Hero
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posted May 23, 2008 05:26 AM |
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I think the key is the are of effect, not the damage.
Just like inferno has Firehounds, who have a little better damage, a little better HP and a little better attack then Horned Overseers, and are in the same time level 3 and half as numerous.
Their key of use is the fact they can hit everything in a cone 90 degrees wide, 2 tiles deep. That is 8 tiles in front of the Hound, 3 adjacent and the 5 behin them. And with no retaliation.
Their damage is not stunning, but it is the AOE that makes it useful.
That is the key to banshees in my opinion.
Thy can hit everything up to 3 tiles away, without retaliation, ignoring defense, even if dealing only mediocre damage.
As for the morale, you forgot that Howl of Terror improves the Banshee Howl skill, which already reduces enemy morale by -1 (-2 for Deidre). Also, Sorrow at Expert Dark Magic, a first circle spell, dampens enemy morale (and luck) by -4.
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WarLore
Famous Hero
servant of urgash
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posted May 23, 2008 07:12 AM |
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atually i can try that
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Darkshadow
Legendary Hero
Cerise Princess
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posted May 23, 2008 09:54 AM |
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You should try get atleast 2 of the necromancer artifact set to make it powerfull.Use the 2 arties with howl of terror and the death wail reaches little above wraiths dmg.
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted May 23, 2008 01:37 PM |
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Opponent can get up to 10 morale even if the chance remains 50%. The ultimate is bad and so is banshee, nuff said.
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Darkshadow
Legendary Hero
Cerise Princess
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posted May 23, 2008 03:09 PM |
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I didn't know we are against The ultra morale Haven, in other cases the opponent usually does not suspect this type of attack.But Havens morale is unbeatable, no way to properly reduce it, unless you have deirdre
with 4 necromancer artifacts and howl of terror.
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Lord_Evil
Famous Hero
Evil lolcat
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posted May 24, 2008 08:35 AM |
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Quote:
Opponent can get up to 10 morale
Actually you can get up to 16 morale, i did it.
but how can you reduce so much moral?
1.Skills such as howl of terror (-6)
2.Morale decrasing artifacts such as Ring of the Broken Will/Cloak of Death's Shadow (-4)
3.Expert Sorrow (-4)
4.Ghost Dragon/Spectral Dragon (-3)
This means -17 morale
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted May 24, 2008 10:46 AM |
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Sorrow from dragons and spell stacks..? Also I think it's -2 for dragons.
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Anakrom
Known Hero
(Scroll) Out of the blue
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posted May 24, 2008 11:03 AM |
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4.Ghost Dragon/Spectral Dragon (-3)
Only -1 via Death Stare of Spectral Dragon. Ghost Dragon casts basic Sorrow (-2) and that, as Elvin said, doesnīt stack with other Sorrow spell.
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HartZa
Known Hero
watchout graveyards!
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posted May 24, 2008 02:01 PM |
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I still think that itīs much easier to increase own morale than reduce enemy morale.
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Adrius
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Stand and fight!
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posted May 24, 2008 03:12 PM |
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If you didn't notice, this thread is kinda focusing on Necropolis, and they have a hard time increasing their morale don't they?
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Darkshadow
Legendary Hero
Cerise Princess
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posted May 24, 2008 04:11 PM |
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My troop morale is lower than enemy's...
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HartZa
Known Hero
watchout graveyards!
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posted May 24, 2008 04:29 PM |
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Quote:
If you didn't notice, this thread is kinda focusing on Necropolis, and they have a hard time increasing their morale don't they?
I was talking about allround, not for necros only 
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VokialBG
Honorable
Legendary Hero
First in line
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posted May 24, 2008 04:41 PM |
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Edited by VokialBG at 16:45, 24 May 2008.
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Sorrow from dragons and spell stacks..? Also I think it's -2 for dragons.
No... when you sorrow with hero, the dragons sorrow will overwrite the effect (Mostly the dragons spells is weaker...) Good job Nival...  ...
The stronger spell should dominate.
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Fauch
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted May 24, 2008 05:05 PM |
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Edited by Fauch at 17:06, 24 May 2008.
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lol, it's like 3 lines of code to make the comparison between the 2 spells 
it's the same for the poison, right?
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DeathPhoenix
Tavern Dweller
Holding life by the throat.
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posted May 24, 2008 05:32 PM |
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WE can get up to -17 morale?? Someone told me the maximum and minimum are +5 and -5...
So if we have 10 banshees, it would do 10*(10-(-17))= 270
But it's not that much! Is it? So we must have even more banshees to dish out more damage, which is costly, especially considering their limited improvements and use over the Wight!
Plus we will need a snowload of artificats for this to work 
Banshees are kinda of useless, even though they are better looking then the wraiths.
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Only weaklings destroy lives. Necromancers bend lives to their will.
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted May 24, 2008 06:47 PM |
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The effective cap is at 5 but certain abilities as retribution do take into account the total morale.
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lostsheep
Tavern Dweller
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posted December 29, 2009 09:25 PM |
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even with the damage of death wail increased, Banshee is still no match for Wraith... harm touch is too powerfull in large battles, espacially against Magma Dragon leading by a hero with Absolute Protection.
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einomida
Known Hero
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posted December 30, 2009 12:12 AM |
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Edited by einomida at 00:13, 30 Dec 2009.
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You can imagine my surprise then when I saw a Banshee kill many of my + morale (I think it was 3) Paladins in one go... I can`t remember the exact number, but Banshee stack was low, my morale was positive and I lost a lot of Paladins and I was like... 
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Buxyrs
Hired Hero
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posted December 30, 2009 10:12 AM |
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Edited by Buxyrs at 10:22, 30 Dec 2009.
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