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Isabel
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posted June 01, 2008 08:35 AM |
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I think the problem of inferno in early creeping is about shooters, the only shooter is tier 4 and is relatively more expensive to get. Gating in early game isn't fast enough to block neutral shooters and even with the ballista I can't avoid casualties.
Which one is the hardest to play? I have completely no idea as I have only went through the campaign.
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WarLore
Famous Hero
servant of urgash
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posted June 01, 2008 11:08 AM |
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I think the problem of inferno in early creeping is about shooters, the only shooter is tier 4 and is relatively more expensive to get. Gating in early game isn't fast enough to block neutral shooters and even with the ballista I can't avoid casualties.
Which one is the hardest to play? I have completely no idea as I have only went through the campaign.
well you are right about that only one shooter and isnt so damage dealing like other factions has for my option @elvin what you excalty mean?
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Darkshadow
Legendary Hero
Cerise Princess
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posted June 01, 2008 11:13 AM |
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Fortress, super slow build ups, Shooter is almost below average, and you don't have much change against fast sylvan units such as arcaners or druidies.
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Mytical
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Chaos seeking Harmony
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posted June 01, 2008 11:16 AM |
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Personally I can either have difficulty with all of them, or super easy with all of them. Never much in between tho. Either everything goes right or nothing does. However the hardest for me are Inferno and Dungeon. Just can not seem to get Dungeon right to save my life.
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Ceres
Supreme Hero
and sweetness
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posted June 01, 2008 01:38 PM |
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Voted Dungeon.
I just can't, can't play with this faction. Of course I never use Destructive Magic as it's moronish 
No matter how I think, I can't see Destructive Magic as moronish. 
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted June 01, 2008 02:16 PM |
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Try harder 
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Tyraxor
Adventuring Hero
Ruler of the burning Desert
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posted June 01, 2008 10:08 PM |
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You can play with each faction if you know how.
But i must say that fortress has the most creatures who are just to weak for their level.
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ZeroXcuses
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posted June 01, 2008 10:11 PM |
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I think the problem of inferno in early creeping is about shooters, the only shooter is tier 4 and is relatively more expensive to get. Gating in early game isn't fast enough to block neutral shooters and even with the ballista I can't avoid casualties.
Which one is the hardest to play? I have completely no idea as I have only went through the campaign.
I agree. With every faction, I try to let my shooters do most of the damage to avoid casualties.
And to the guy about necro...I find ghosts pretty weak when they get hit. I prefer zombies because I don't mind when they die. By endgame, my ghost stack is sparse because they take damage like sissies.
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emilsn
Legendary Hero
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posted June 03, 2008 05:59 PM |
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Fortress is easy!
I don't get why no one can play fortress it is easy! Buy creatures, get light magic and use runes. Thats about it, use Helmar, Ingvar, Ebba and/or Karli
Lineup:
Tier 1: Doesn't matter, depends on your Off. or Def.
Tier 2: Skirmisher, got a good ability
Tier 3: Blackbear rider is my favourit, the other one is good aswell. (but I am def. therefor I choose BBRider)
Tier 4: This is tough: You got rune of charge? and some light magic? then take berserker his ability is WICKED! The other is still good, but got a different tactic use
Tier 5: This lineup is already def. enough so take Rune Keeper (fireball)
Tier 6: Choose your favourit 
Tier 7: Magma Dragon ! Enough said
So get this: Choose Defense, Light or Destrucktion and random stuff.! EASY!
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The_Gootch
Honorable
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Kneel Before Me Sons of HC!!
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posted June 03, 2008 06:30 PM |
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Fortress is not easy. Creature dwellings at higher tiers are brutal in terms of resource costs. Their ranged hits like a chick unless of course you upgrade immediately to harpooners, whereupon they hit like an angry chick until you get higher numbers and divine strength. Their damage output is really low unless you start to focus on Luck.
I do like the mix of offensive and defensive capabilities they offer. And the White Bear Riders are a pretty damn impressive alternate to the Blackbear Riders. A Ret Ebba build with Soldier's Luck is just awesome.
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And to the guy about necro...I find ghosts pretty weak when they get hit. I prefer zombies because I don't mind when they die. By endgame, my ghost stack is sparse because they take damage like sissies.
At the beginning ghosts are used in stacks of one to serve as part of the shield wall for the skellies. When that stack of 1 dies another one replaces it, soaking up retals while the zombies and the skellies wail on the bad guys.
Later on, they should be taken care of and by all rights they should be one of your power stacks for a final battle. Pound for pound they're the best stack to raise after battles and these guys arguably make the best targets for your Vampirism. Ghosts rock.
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phoenixreborn
Promising
Legendary Hero
Unicorn
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posted June 03, 2008 06:35 PM |
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Their ranged hits like a chick unless of course you upgrade immediately to harpooners, whereupon they hit like an angry chick
Maybe like this chick?
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emilsn
Legendary Hero
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posted June 03, 2008 07:19 PM |
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Remove my eyes of the horror!
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zamfir
Promising
Supreme Hero
Allez allez allez
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posted June 04, 2008 10:18 AM |
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I also think Fortress is hard, cos you can't use runes early.
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted June 04, 2008 10:40 AM |
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Yes you can, runic guild 1 is easy to build.
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Fauch
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Undefeatable Hero
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posted June 04, 2008 10:59 AM |
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You can play with each faction if you know how.
But i must say that fortress has the most creatures who are just to weak for their level.
defenders : best level 1 (proven by the lvl 1 fight club done on archangel castle)
skirmisher : ok, they aren't that strong
bear : best level 3 (proven by the lvl 3 fight club done on archangel castle)
brawler : not that strong either, but some cool abilities when upgraded
rune mage : not that strong but have some interesting possibilities.
thane : you think they are weak?
magma dragon : best level 7 creature (proven by the lvl 7 fight club done on archangel castle)
(yeah, I haven't played fortress, but I saw my friend playing it, it seemed hard on early game (mainly because he had to fight shieldguards and bears to get his mines) but in endgame, it didn't seem very hard)
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted June 04, 2008 11:41 AM |
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The lineup affects the faction difficulty little. It's the first tiers, resource costs and hero skills for the most part.
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WarLore
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servant of urgash
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posted June 04, 2008 11:48 AM |
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You can play with each faction if you know how.
But i must say that fortress has the most creatures who are just to weak for their level.
defenders : best level 1 (proven by the lvl 1 fight club done on archangel castle)
skirmisher : ok, they aren't that strong
bear : best level 3 (proven by the lvl 3 fight club done on archangel castle)
brawler : not that strong either, but some cool abilities when upgraded
rune mage : not that strong but have some interesting possibilities.
thane : you think they are weak?
magma dragon : best level 7 creature (proven by the lvl 7 fight club done on archangel castle)
(yeah, I haven't played fortress, but I saw my friend playing it, it seemed hard on early game (mainly because he had to fight shieldguards and bears to get his mines) but in endgame, it didn't seem very hard)
i agree with you.especially with magmas,hard kill,great damage dealer with luck and some runes
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Fauch
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted June 04, 2008 01:15 PM |
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The lineup affects the faction difficulty little. It's the first tiers, resource costs and hero skills for the most part.
of course, but he said "too weak for their level" so I simply did a comparison of the creatures by levels without taking anything else into account.
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kermit
Known Hero
Soul hunter
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posted June 04, 2008 02:31 PM |
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Edited by kermit at 14:43, 04 Jun 2008.
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Ghosts rock.
I second that best stuff vs phoenixes utopias and the like, great in sieges too.
Hardest to play? Try creeping with inferno without balista (or the use of non inferno joiners)
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ChaosDragon
Famous Hero
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posted June 04, 2008 06:29 PM |
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Fortress creatures is strong, especially the dragons, no other creature would dare to go one on one with this creature.
The main problem of fortress is its resource cost of tier 4-7 dwellings, and the runes can't be used early, especially on heroic and standard map, ofc it's different if you play on a rich map.
Inferno without balista is easy and faster than any fortress way of creeping without ingvar.
Without balista, inferno only need vermins, demons, hell hounds, adv gating, mark of damned and hellfire or hellfire and consume corpse, always split your stack, lv 1 spell, and finally, it need right formation and creature placing.
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