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posted July 13, 2008 12:36 PM |
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i like snow and i donīt want that it disappear. in estonia the last winter was awful no snow.
Nearly same in Hungary. I like the 4 season scheme Well, this winter wasn't that awful though. We had some bits of snow and it was not +10 Celsius degrees like previous 2 winters.
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xerox
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posted July 13, 2008 01:49 PM |
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Hmm I always go to Turkey when its winter  
I love Turkey lol.
Btw there was a hurricane where I lived yesterday and I have heard that it is snowing somewhere ;P
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del_diablo
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posted July 14, 2008 10:09 PM |
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At least think about HOW could we stop it, that's the first step
Establish a carbon tax, so that those who use more gasoline would pay more.
We are doing this in Norway(ridiculess gasoline fee), it has NO effect on the comsumers whatsoever.
I think we should change over to the carrot methode:
*Rewarding for using Electric cars
*Set a MAX for how much CO^2 a company can send out, the max is 10x stronger than a fee.
Because with a fee it will only affect the comsumers in a worst case scenario(more expensive products).
*Carrots for all serius things that help the enviroment
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xerox
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posted July 15, 2008 12:54 AM |
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Lol it is the same in Sweden. Oil prices are ridiculos high. But im lucky, one of my parents gets free oil from her work ^^
Gief cool electric cars.
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posted July 15, 2008 11:45 AM |
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petrol price is rising and rising almost everywhere.
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Moonlith
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posted July 15, 2008 02:06 PM |
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*yawns*
I like the way George Carlin put it: The world is just FINE... The PEOPLE are snowed.
No, seriously, I don't see what the problem is.... Trying to control "global warming" is indeed nothing more but another arrogant attempt of human kind to control and enslave nature so they can preserve themselves.
Which is retarded since humans can't even accept death is a natural part of life: shown in their constant search for more ways to grow even older and more wrinklier and cure illnesses.
I mean, if people were REALLY concerned with for example, the chopping of tropical rainforests around the equator, people themselves would STOP buying products made of that kind of wood, in turn FORCING them to stop since it would no longer be profitable...
As it is, people are exceptionally good at snowing about how bad it is while not doing anything about it themselves.
Intelligent race, PPFFFT, don't make me laugh.
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TitaniumAlloy
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posted July 15, 2008 02:18 PM |
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Well, that's an attitude that's going to win friends an influence people. 
on an entirely unrelated note:
Luxury homes that are made from recycled materials and are entirely self-sufficient, anywhere in the world?
Have a read.
It surprised even the biggest skeptic (me)
EARTH SHIPS
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TitaniumAlloy
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posted July 15, 2008 02:22 PM |
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At least think about HOW could we stop it, that's the first step
Establish a carbon tax, so that those who use more gasoline would pay more.
We are doing this in Norway(ridiculess gasoline fee), it has NO effect on the comsumers whatsoever.
I think we should change over to the carrot methode:
*Rewarding for using Electric cars
*Set a MAX for how much CO^2 a company can send out, the max is 10x stronger than a fee.
Because with a fee it will only affect the comsumers in a worst case scenario(more expensive products).
*Carrots for all serius things that help the enviroment
They have set up a carbon tax system in New Zealand, but
-Automotive and fuel
-Electricity
-(i think) Agriculture
are all exempt.
Wait, what?
lol. What's the point then if the 2 main emitters are exempt?
Also the one they are thinking of setting up in Australia I think makes fuel exempt also.... ????
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posted July 15, 2008 02:47 PM |
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i like snow and i donīt want that it disappear. in estonia the last winter was awful no snow.
in holland, we haven't got snow for 2 years!
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del_diablo
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posted July 15, 2008 06:48 PM |
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No, seriously, I don't see what the problem is.... Trying to control "global warming" is indeed nothing more but another arrogant attempt of human kind to control and enslave nature so they can preserve themselves.
If that happens, it will not happen because of Global Warming.
Simply, we pollute. And if we pollute enogh it will start affecting Nature. And the time it takes before it starts showing up is insane.
Lets keep resource uses to a minimun and not pollute more than what is the minimum.
And for the wood............. i want to se a sho selling it. I seriusly want to, i have not seen 1 shop selling wood from the Amazonas.
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posted July 15, 2008 06:56 PM |
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petrol price is rising and rising almost everywhere.
Not really......... i find it hard to notice it.
I can agree it does so in the US, but also compare the value of a $ to before it sunk along with the gass prices.
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posted July 15, 2008 07:04 PM |
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also compare the value of a $ to before it sunk along with the gass prices.
Yeah, US economy is collapsing.Capitalism is failing and inflation is skyrocketing.
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posted July 15, 2008 07:57 PM |
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We are doing this in Norway(ridiculess gasoline fee), it has NO effect on the comsumers whatsoever
It does. Just look at the cars they're driving in America, and look at the cars they're driving in Europe. Big difference.
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What is with you and worshipping nature like some kind of god? We as humans should control and subjugate nature so it would be able to sustain us. And while death is surely a part of life, it is an undesirable one, and increasing our lifespan and delaying death is a perfectly reasonable and good thing to do (except when you're in a lot of pain, or in a vegetative state).
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Capitalism is failing? When did that happen? And while inflation isn't nice right now, it's certainly not skyrocketing.
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posted July 15, 2008 08:02 PM |
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What is with you and worshipping nature like some kind of god? We as humans should control and subjugate nature so it would be able to sustain us. And while death is surely a part of life, it is an undesirable one, and increasing our lifespan and delaying death is a perfectly reasonable and good thing to do (except when you're in a lot of pain, or in a vegetative state).
Sorry that you feel that way.. you know how it goes, nature gives a finger to us, and we bite off the whole hand 
We should be "subjugated" by nature And nope, it's not "perfectly reasonable" at all (in some ways), but then I COULD explain this a lot more in depth (I think I already did in the "God" thread, a long time ago), but it would be pointless right? You aren't going to change your selfish mentality no matter how many "honorful" or such arguments someone uses.
This is off topic so I better stop now.
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posted July 15, 2008 08:04 PM |
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No, seriously, I don't see what the problem is.... Trying to control "global warming" is indeed nothing more but another arrogant attempt of human kind to control and enslave nature so they can preserve themselves.
Sorry, the sentence "trying to control global warming" makes little sense. Attempt to reduce the impact of human behaviour to the warming of the climate, that is what we are talking about. Furthermore, the discussion is important because we should be prepared for the changes, and adapt accordingly. That is essential to prevent crisis in the future.
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mvassilev
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posted July 15, 2008 08:09 PM |
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you know how it goes, nature gives a finger to us, and we bite off the whole hand
Nature isn't sentinent. It can't "give" anything.
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You aren't going to change your selfish mentality no matter how many "honorful" or such arguments someone uses.
And you're not going to be able to convince me that self-interest is bad.
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TheDeath
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posted July 15, 2008 08:12 PM |
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Nature isn't sentinent. It can't "give" anything.
Materialistically speaking (your philosophy), nothing is sentient -- but what if some aliens brought us here and don't like us disturbing their other creation (nature)?? See, sentient solved, you don't know, then do not disturb.
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Why?
Well, I don't think an honorable "creation" should bite off its master's hand, you know?
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Exactly that is only a lesson one learns from experience, and I truly hope you will encounter self-interest in everyone around, then you'll probably realize... that is unless you philosophize about how "wars", how "fights" and how "murder" came to being after all.
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mvassilev
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posted July 15, 2008 08:16 PM |
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Materialistically speaking (your philosophy), nothing is sentient
Ah, well, it's a conventient truthful fiction. While we are all just interactions of molecules, sentinence is a useful sort-of trait. So while if you look into it deeply, you'll realize that no such thing as sentinence exists, it's a useful fiction from a more distant point of view.
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what if some aliens brought us here and don't like us disturbing their other creation (nature)??
What basis to we have to assume that there are aliens like that?
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Well, I don't think an honorable "creation" should bite off its master's hand, you know?
I wasn't aware that nature is a sentinent creator.
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TheDeath
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posted July 15, 2008 08:22 PM |
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I'll cut down the quote wars and off topic to summarize it this:
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what if some aliens brought us here and don't like us disturbing their other creation (nature)??
What basis to we have to assume that there are aliens like that?
Like I said, there is a very high probability that nature is in a form of "sentience" that we DO NOT KNOW. Not all beings need to be similar to humans, that would be extremely close-mindedness. Let's say that some aliens probably designed this way. You say, you have no basis. I say, if you don't know, it's better to not disturb, that way you won't be blamed if you do something wrong.
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Doomforge
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posted July 15, 2008 08:58 PM |
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global warming. Yawn.
"Pinatubo Volcano produced more carbon dioxide when it erupted in 1991 then ALL the combined human activity.. since we exist." <- Mick Gregory
That is of course extreme theory and not true afaik (Pinatubo in fact produced like 4% of what US industry produces every year )
But.. there is some truth in it. We have little effect on the global warming. The ocean produces like 70% of CO2.
... I thought talking about global warming isn't trendy anymore, just like meditation, yoga and buddhism. Guess I was wrong 
There are thousands of more important things about us devastating the world than the global warming. Yet it gets the most hype. Bah.
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