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posted August 02, 2008 11:51 PM |
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Yeah, Wiki has some occasional mistakes, but generally it's pretty reliable, at least to get the general gist of the matter. I'm sorry that you're being drafted. But that just gives you another reason to oppose Netanyahu. You don't want to go to war, do you?
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posted August 03, 2008 06:33 PM |
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Heh how funny to see this post here about politics in israel..
Sorry but i cannot contribute anything since politics is of no interest to me , Mainly because i believe democracy and the current goverment structure is a rather pathetic form of goverance , I truly believe there is exactly zero real effect in voting as the way things are now.
would that be specificly towards Israel or any goverment in that direction?
@mVs: much on wiki is wrong,dont relay on it,ever since what happen in 'bodys deal'i stoped fallowing politics,and im drafting soon,so i lost care. i dont fight for country,but for the safty of loved ones.
I believe the entire system is wrong so no its not specific to israel but it is possible (And maybe likly) that the situation else where may work better in other places.
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posted August 03, 2008 10:04 PM |
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@Mvass: Nice to see you how much new knowledge you have gained, but let me correct a few things:
The "2 sides of the Jordan [river]" concept (meaning that Israel should include Jordan state) has disappeared many years ago. I'm into politics, and believe me, it's a concept that I never heard of before my grandfather told me about it, and he fought in 1948.
I asked my parents and they said that:
1) That concept became irrelevant in 1948, when UK gave Jordan to the arabs.
2) Menahem Begin pretty much clarified that it will never happen 30-40 years ago, and nobody has talked about it since then.
3) There's a youth movement called Beitar (extreme right) that still sings "two sides to the Jordan", but it has no real effect.
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The main thing that I can say about politics in Israel is that today, they are different than what you're presenting.
Years ago, there was left and right. You could see that the right was for proving our powers in wars, making sure we're surviving by scarying the enemy, and the left was for peace and stopping the violence. It was very clear.
Today the most is in the middle. You can see very small differences today between the Likud, Kadima, Labour, etc. Only the religious parties are slightly different.
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posted August 03, 2008 10:52 PM |
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Interesting information, GL. But would you really say that there's very little difference between Likud, Kadima, and Labour? Labour is, after all, social democratic. And Likud opposed withdrawing from Gaza. And Netanyahu is quite militaristic.
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posted August 04, 2008 08:52 AM |
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Interesting information, GL. But would you really say that there's very little difference between Likud, Kadima, and Labour? Labour is, after all, social democratic. And Likud opposed withdrawing from Gaza. And Netanyahu is quite militaristic.
On the final vote in the Kneset of "Whether to make the withdrawing from Gaza or not" most of the Likud (including Netanyahu) voted "yes".
There will always be extremists. But no party today represents them. Not the Likud, not Kadima, not Labour. All of them are very close to each other in the middle.
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posted August 04, 2008 03:59 PM |
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But Likud was the main opposition to that. They probably just realized that they lost, and didn't want to look like desperate last-ditchers.
Edit: I haven't heard anything about this in a while. How is everything going?
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posted September 11, 2008 03:04 PM |
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Do you really wanna know? 
The primaries inside Kadima is coming soon. It's mainly between Tzipi Livni (who is a great compromiser) and Mofas (who is a great millitary commander). The question is what Israeli needs more right now. It seems like Tzipi Linvi is winning.
Thje one who wins will try to make a coalition. If s/he succeeds (most of the 120 members of the Kneset vote for it), this will be our goverment. If s/he doesn't succeed, we will go to Elections.
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posted September 11, 2008 10:27 PM |
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i kinda wish Green leaf would get some mendates this time 
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posted December 22, 2008 09:06 PM |
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Now that I see that GL is back, and I hear that Livni has won the leadership of Kadima, how is the election going? Who's going to win? Any new developments?
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posted December 23, 2008 08:44 AM |
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well during the munciepl ellections Arkadi Gaidemek of Socialist justice didnt win alot. and he got outraged. mmm ehud Barrack decided to tryo outsmart everyone,by evoiding confertions with livni,who on her side,trys to prevoke some,to show that kadima is not that left.
But you could've asked me that.
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posted December 24, 2008 07:24 PM |
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As for who's winning. It seems that the Likud with Netanyahu as their leader is sure to win the election and the only questions are - who are they going to ally with and how much power will they have.
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posted February 07, 2009 12:51 AM |
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I've heard Israel Beiteinu is doing well, and aren't they radical right-wingers?
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posted February 07, 2009 09:12 AM |
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the pools show likud with 26 mendates,kadima with 22 mendates and israel beytenino with 21... and i work for israel beytenino .
Liberman is bringing the point of why in spain catalonian and basikian partys ware outlawed for one or more reason and we still have people in the knesset that speak stuff like "because of israel stupidty hisbolloh captured soliders" (achmad Tibi).
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posted February 07, 2009 11:12 AM |
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@mvass
He is. It seems that he (Lieberman, the leader of Israel Beitenu) was smart enough to use the war to his advantage. His popularity vastly improved since then. Also, it seems that even Likud may have gotten a bit more extreme than in the past which leaves me with a serious problem. Being a centered-rightwing man I must decide whether to move a bit more to the right or a bit more to the left (Kadima). Also, the possibility that Netanyahu will let Lieberman into the coalition and thus create an extremely right-wing government really bothers me.
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posted February 09, 2009 03:58 PM |
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I hope Hadash wins. The solidarity between working Palestinians and Israelis is the only way to solve the conflict. Don't be fooled by Labour - a member of the False Left (also known as the Socialist International). They would trick the workers into staying enslaved. And Meretz-Yachad is trying to appear a genuine party of the left - but its dedication to the environment shows otherwise.
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posted February 11, 2009 04:01 AM |
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Kadima - 28. Likud - 27. Israel Beiteinu - 15. Labor - 13.
So, what now?
And what happened to Labor? That's a big fall - from second to fourth. And why did Gil barely get any votes?
For whom did our Israeli members vote?
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posted February 11, 2009 03:54 PM |
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Whichever it may be, it is a victory for capitalist imperialism.
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posted February 11, 2009 04:09 PM |
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Kadima is in no position to establish a goverment. im inclined to think rotation will happen.
I worked for Israel Beytanu during the voting, i was an obersever in one of the voting places. i counted the votes in the specific place.
People needed to vote :550.
people voted: 240
voices that disqualifed : 8
because people put 3 or more notes in one envlop its disqualifes.
70 for likud
68 for israel beytanu
29 for shas
26 for kadima
11 for labor
the rest are petty partys that didnt get go.
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posted February 11, 2009 05:24 PM |
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Kadima - 28. Likud - 27. Israel Beiteinu - 15. Labor - 13.
So, what now?
President Peres will choose either Livni or Netanyahu to form a coalition. Even though there's a lot of arguing and power play going on, in the end Kadima won't be able to form a coalition without Likud and Likud won't be able to form a normal (i.e. not extremely right winged) coalition without Kadima. Since together they have 55 mandates out of the required 61, they'll be the two most dominant forces in the coalition and will more or less divide the power among themselves. Just like Anti pointed out there's a chance for a rotation in the prime minister position (Livni 2 years, Netanyahu 2 years), but Likud is strongly against it at the moment and is prepared to pay a high cost to Kadima not to let it happen.
P.S. All of the above is purely my speculations, along with predictions I've heard on TV.
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And what happened to Labor? That's a big fall - from second to fourth. And why did Gil barely get any votes?
The recent war gave a serious push to the right wing. Labor is a left wing party in general and Barak in particular is known for his "high tolerance" to terrorist attacks. So it's pretty natural that they got the short end of the stick this time. Don't worry about them though, they're going to the opposition to strengthen themselves from there and I'm quite certain they'll be back at full power next time.
As for Gil, they were a spin-off party from the start. People didn't want to vote for any of the major parties on previous elections because none of them seemed credible, so they chose something that looked good to them. Gil was the obvious choice, it's just that when those people chose Gil, none of them thought there would be so many of them.
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For whom did our Israeli members vote?
I voted Likud. So far I'm actually very satisfied with the results. I'd love to see a Likud/Kadima coalition. If they would also convince Labor to join them and leave all/most of the more right-winged parties out I'd be the happiest man alive.
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posted February 11, 2009 05:44 PM |
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I hope Hadash wins. The solidarity between working Palestinians and Israelis is the only way to solve the conflict. Don't be fooled by Labour - a member of the False Left (also known as the Socialist International). They would trick the workers into staying enslaved. And Meretz-Yachad is trying to appear a genuine party of the left - but its dedication to the environment shows otherwise.
hadash ware portied as a communist party by many. also the point that it is lead by an arabian chairman also does not help its populairty because of the large social injustice and racism still works in the israely society. they got 5 mandates.
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