|
| Thread: Elections in Israel? |  This thread is pages long: 1 2 3 4 · «PREV / NEXT» |
|
mvassilev
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
|
posted February 11, 2009 10:34 PM |
|
|
So, if there is a rotation and coalition between Kadima and Likud, what kind of policies would it adopt? And what would that do to the other parties, especially if Labor would also be part of the coalition? Would it lead to a strengthening of the further left (Meretz-Yachad) and further right (YB)? And could it possibly cause another split within Likud (between center-right and right)?
Quote:
As for Gil, they were a spin-off party from the start. People didn't want to vote for any of the major parties on previous elections because none of them seemed credible, so they chose something that looked good to them. Gil was the obvious choice, it's just that when those people chose Gil, none of them thought there would be so many of them.
Or maybe all the Gil supporters just died of old age. 
____________
Eccentric Opinion
|
|
angelito
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
proud father of a princess
|
|
posted February 12, 2009 10:50 AM |
|
Edited by angelito at 13:00, 13 Feb 2009.
|
Israel needs a reformation of its election system I would say. How on earth will you be able to form a solid government if you are forced to make a coalition including 4-7 different parties???
It is hard to do with 2 parties, in germany they fear the so called "traffic light coalition" which contents 3 different parties who represent the colors of a traffic light (red - socialists, yellow - libaralists, green - greens), because they know this won't stay solid for a longer time.
Is there a "cut" in the election system? Means, does a party need a minimum percentage of votes to be allowed to be part of the parliament?
____________
Better judged by 12 than carried by 6.
|
|
antipaladin
Promising
Legendary Hero
of Ooohs and Aaahs
|
|
posted February 12, 2009 01:38 PM |
|
|
ofc. the blockight vote is 2.5% i think.the votes of the soliders are not counted yet,its nothing 100% yet,
____________
types in obscure english
|
|
mvassilev
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
|
|
posted February 12, 2009 02:24 PM |
|
|
Angelito:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think post-WWII Germany ever had a coalition between more than 2 parties (if you count the CDU and CSU as one party, of course).
____________
Eccentric Opinion
|
|
Geny
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
What if Elvin was female?
|
|
posted February 12, 2009 07:48 PM |
|
|
@Mvass
I can't say what will happen in that case. It would depend on who will actually invite the others: Likud or Kadima. Anyway, everyone is pretty much hiding how far they're willing to go in order to be in a coalition, because right now everyone just flex their muscle to try and get as much as possible. Only time will tell, I guess.
@Angelito
Yes, there has been talk about it in the past and it became especially apparent this time. If there will be a relatively strong coalition, there is a high chance that the whole system will get a revamp, or at the very least that the "cut" will be raised significantly.
____________
DON'T BE A NOOB, JOIN A.D.V.E.N.T.U.R.E.
|
|
mvassilev
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
|
|
posted February 13, 2009 04:07 AM |
|
|
I think that instead of raising the threshold, Israel (and other parliamentary countries) should just get fixed election dates, so the government wouldn't resign and hold new elections every time it would get outvoted.
Got outvoted? Tough. Keep going.
____________
Eccentric Opinion
|
|
Geny
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
What if Elvin was female?
|
|
posted February 13, 2009 11:30 AM |
|
|
What's the point of a government that can't pass any law because it doesn't have enough votes? Going to elections every 2 years sucks, but having a completely useless government for a period of 2 years is way more destructive.
____________
DON'T BE A NOOB, JOIN A.D.V.E.N.T.U.R.E.
|
|
angelito
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
proud father of a princess
|
|
posted February 13, 2009 01:05 PM |
|
|
Quote:
Angelito:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think post-WWII Germany ever had a coalition between more than 2 parties (if you count the CDU and CSU as one party, of course).
You are correct here, and that's why those coalitions are that solid. We only had ONE situation in the past 60 years where the governement ended before their legislative period ended. This was in 1982, when the liberals didn't want to continue with the socialists under the lead of Helmut Schmidt. This was the time when Dr. Helmut Kohl became chancelor and stayed for 16 years until Gerd Schroeder took over.
We have a 5% cut here in germany, that's why we only have 5 parties in the national governemt currently.
____________
Better judged by 12 than carried by 6.
|
|
mvassilev
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
|
|
posted February 13, 2009 02:54 PM |
|
|
Geny:
It'd have enough votes to pass laws, but not all the time. That's the way it is here in the US, and it works fine. It prevents the government from being too extreme.
Angelito:
So why the danger of a traffic-light coalition?
____________
Eccentric Opinion
|
|
angelito
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
proud father of a princess
|
|
posted February 13, 2009 04:41 PM |
|
|
Maybe "Danger" was the wrong word. It is not feared by the german people, but by the parties themselves. They just don't think they will agree about so many different political issues for a period of 4 years. It is much easier to find a coalition of 2 parties.
There is another possible "3way" coalition in germany which is called "Jamaica-coalition" due to the 3 containing colors: conservatives (CDU/CSU black) - liberals (FDP yellow) - greens (green).
____________
Better judged by 12 than carried by 6.
|
|
Geny
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
What if Elvin was female?
|
|
posted February 13, 2009 06:37 PM |
|
|
The coalition gets too unstable not because it can't pass a law every now and then, but because it gets smaller than the opposition and therefore can't pass laws or make any kind of decisions most of the time.
____________
DON'T BE A NOOB, JOIN A.D.V.E.N.T.U.R.E.
|
|
mvassilev
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
|
|
posted February 13, 2009 10:41 PM |
|
|
But they could have a kind of mobile semi-coalition. For example, all the ministers could be from Kadima, and then they would ally with the right on some issues, and with the left on others.
____________
Eccentric Opinion
|
|
xerox
Promising
Undefeatable Hero
|
|
posted February 13, 2009 10:57 PM |
|
|
So if I have read right, this means that peace there is very distant?
____________
Over himself, over his own
body and
mind, the individual is
sovereign.
- John Stuart Mill
|
|
Geny
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
What if Elvin was female?
|
|
posted February 13, 2009 11:14 PM |
|
|
@mvass
And why would the left or the right ally with Kadima? Would you ally with someone who's gonna betray you and your ideals the second you no longer of use to him? On the other hand if Kadima, the right and the left sit all down and find a common ground that's acceptable on everyone then there will be a strong coalition that's ready for mostly anything. But finding that common ground is a serious problem.
@Xerox
Sadly, peace is far away here no matter who, when and where is elected.
____________
DON'T BE A NOOB, JOIN A.D.V.E.N.T.U.R.E.
|
|
mvassilev
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
|
|
posted February 13, 2009 11:19 PM |
|
|
Because they wouldn't really be alliances, but temporary agreements. For example, Kadima and Likud could cooperate on reducing welfare benefits, and then Kadima and Labor could cooperate on Gaza.
____________
Eccentric Opinion
|
|
Geny
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
What if Elvin was female?
|
|
posted February 13, 2009 11:24 PM |
|
|
Well, it's not like the opposition never supports the coalition. It happens when they have a similar goal, but since the two groups usually represent very different ideas it happens very rarely. That's why the governing party needs to know they have someone to count on in most of the subjects.
____________
DON'T BE A NOOB, JOIN A.D.V.E.N.T.U.R.E.
|
|
DeadMan
Known Hero
The True Humanitarian
|
|
posted February 16, 2009 03:51 PM |
|
|
Quote:
hadash ware portied as a communist party by many. also the point that it is lead by an arabian chairman also does not help its populairty because of the large social injustice and racism still works in the israely society. they got 5 mandates.
Hadash's day will come - when the common Arab and the common Jew will decide to join in solidarity against the powerful international corporations and capitalist imperialists that ferment their conflicts.
____________
I don't matter. You don't matter. But we matter.
|
|
mvassilev
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
|
|
posted February 21, 2009 02:35 AM |
|
|
|
Geny
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
What if Elvin was female?
|
|
posted February 21, 2009 10:20 AM |
|
|
So far I'm really disappointed. Netanyahu got the right to form a coalition, but it seems that Kadima has no interest in joining it. And what's worse is that in the current state of things the only option Likud has is to create a purely right-wing coalition that includes (among others) Lieberman and a couple of religious parties (Shas being the biggest).
Why can't they take the hint that if Kadima and Likud are almost tied in votes then the people want a wide coalition that includes both of them?
____________
DON'T BE A NOOB, JOIN A.D.V.E.N.T.U.R.E.
|
|
angelito
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
proud father of a princess
|
|
posted February 23, 2009 06:33 PM |
|
|
Barak and Livni denied a coaltion with Netanjahu today. What comes next?
____________
Better judged by 12 than carried by 6.
|
|
|
|
