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posted January 27, 2014 07:08 PM |
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Those things suck. You can just make an arcing sweep with a regular hilt if you want without having a metal disc inhibiting your long strikes. Human guesstimation should get you within a few degrees of 45.
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posted January 27, 2014 07:13 PM |
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Never been a fan of very close combat swords
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posted January 27, 2014 07:28 PM |
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Edited by Adrius at 19:31, 27 Jan 2014.
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I hardly think it's used in a formal dueling situation often, more used with bucklers/shields in armies where close-up is where you're gonna end up anyway, rendering those long-distance strikes very situational.
The short hilt design, as he mentions, also serves the purpose of angling your strikes correctly for cutting (you feel with your thumb), which is very important with flexible blades that might just utterly fail by flexing if you misalign your strike, unlike hard swords (e.g. katana) with which you can just chop away without technique and still do damage.
All in all, I think the beauty of it is that the sword design teaches the wielder by itself. Very effective army weapon I imagine.
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posted January 27, 2014 07:35 PM |
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Edited by JoonasTo at 19:36, 27 Jan 2014.
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Yes, a great noob sword, probably had a lot to do with a non-professional army.
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The short hilt design, as he mentions, also serves the purpose of angling your strikes correctly for cutting (you feel with your thumb), which is very important with flexible blades that might just utterly fail by flexing if you misalign your strike, unlike hard swords (e.g. katana) with which you can just chop away without technique and still do damage.
yes, to your sword 
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posted January 27, 2014 07:39 PM |
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posted January 27, 2014 07:47 PM |
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Adrius said:
I hardly think it's used in a formal dueling situation often, more used with bucklers/shields in armies where close-up is where you're gonna end up anyway, rendering those long-distance strikes very situational.
The short hilt design, as he mentions, also serves the purpose of angling your strikes correctly for cutting (you feel with your thumb), which is very important with flexible blades that might just utterly fail by flexing if you misalign your strike, unlike hard swords (e.g. katana) with which you can just chop away without technique and still do damage.
All in all, I think the beauty of it is that the sword design teaches the wielder by itself. Very effective army weapon I imagine.
The straightforward answer is that if it didn't serve a good utility function, they never would have been built that way. Blacksmiths aren't in it for artistic design.
18th century European cavalry was built around breaking into a weakening regiment of infantry after they just fired a volley. You didn't need to cleave any heads off. You just needed to charge in, hit your targets, and make the ranks scatter. Gunpowder was in limited usage in central Asia (east of Ottoman) and you still cared a lot about melee. If you're scrapping together several thousand conscripts that aren't hardened swordsman, you want a weapon to be as intuitive as possible, hence the disc.
I still think it's strong homo though. British dragoon sabres are cooler.
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posted January 27, 2014 08:00 PM |
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Yeah, Lichtenauer is great, TEH SECRET MOVES!
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posted February 18, 2014 07:34 PM |
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Was just talking to Elvin about Systema, which I've started training about a year or so ago. Actually managed to find a club with trainers certified by the relevant figures, and not simply folks looking to get some easy cash overnight through going "LEARN RUSSIAN KGB SPETSNAZ TOP SECRET ART OF KILLING". Like I told Elv, when people know what they're doing, it's an intriguing technique, and a fresh view at everything I've seen up until now in martial arts - although, granted, I never really trained them personally. Systema isn't actually a martial art in the full sense of the word, nor's it a sport. There are no rules, competitions or katas. It's simply full-contact practical fight training, with a heavy emphasis on sparring, flow of movement, pain management and a philosophy of its own.
Remembered a piece of advice our trainer gave us, and felt like sharing. It was pretty simple but very well said. It went, I'll paraphrase, "In every close combat out there, you have two fights ahead of you. The first one is with whoever went at you, for whatever dumb reason - because I have faith you're smart enough to not start shyte yourselves. The second, and far harder one, afterwards, is with the law. If the fight drags on for too long, even if you win, you'll have a dozen bystanders going, 'I have no idea what was going on, officer, these two just lashed at each other and then this one beat the other one into a pulp in the end'. Bam! A night in the slam, depositing the bail, lawsuits... Don't be brutal - go for destroying his will to fight, and a few bruises go a longer way than inflicting heavy injuries. Do it quickly and efficiently enough, and you're safe as you get. Always remember you're fighting two fights at once. I cannot stress this enough."
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posted April 09, 2014 02:19 PM |
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Baklava said:
Remembered a piece of advice our trainer gave us, and felt like sharing. It was pretty simple but very well said. It went, I'll paraphrase, "In every close combat out there, you have two fights ahead of you. The first one is with whoever went at you, for whatever dumb reason - because I have faith you're smart enough to not start shyte yourselves. The second, and far harder one, afterwards, is with the law. If the fight drags on for too long, even if you win, you'll have a dozen bystanders going, 'I have no idea what was going on, officer, these two just lashed at each other and then this one beat the other one into a pulp in the end'. Bam! A night in the slam, depositing the bail, lawsuits... Don't be brutal - go for destroying his will to fight, and a few bruises go a longer way than inflicting heavy injuries. Do it quickly and efficiently enough, and you're safe as you get. Always remember you're fighting two fights at once. I cannot stress this enough."
Now if only this worked on my in-laws. 
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posted April 09, 2014 04:03 PM |
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Baklava said:
"In every close combat out there, you have two fights ahead of you. The first one is with whoever went at you, for whatever dumb reason - because I have faith you're smart enough to not start shyte yourselves. The second, and far harder one, afterwards, is with the law. If the fight drags on for too long, even if you win, you'll have a dozen bystanders going, 'I have no idea what was going on, officer, these two just lashed at each other and then this one beat the other one into a pulp in the end'. Bam! A night in the slam, depositing the bail, lawsuits... Don't be brutal - go for destroying his will to fight, and a few bruises go a longer way than inflicting heavy injuries. Do it quickly and efficiently enough, and you're safe as you get. Always remember you're fighting two fights at once. I cannot stress this enough."
yeah, this is why i don't start anything. because i'd never be around afterward for the mop-up.
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posted April 09, 2014 04:42 PM |
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I think there's a misunderstanding in your martial arts definition.Baklava said:
It's simply full-contact practical fight training, with a heavy emphasis on sparring, flow of movement, pain management and a philosophy of its own.
This is EXACTLY what martial arts are.
Sports(like aikido or judo) and self-defense stuff have messed with your head.
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posted April 09, 2014 05:07 PM |
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Baklava said:
"In every close combat out there, you have two fights ahead of you. The first one is with whoever went at you, for whatever dumb reason - because I have faith you're smart enough to not start shyte yourselves. The second, and far harder one, afterwards, is with the law. If the fight drags on for too long, even if you win, you'll have a dozen bystanders going, 'I have no idea what was going on, officer, these two just lashed at each other and then this one beat the other one into a pulp in the end'. Bam! A night in the slam, depositing the bail, lawsuits... Don't be brutal - go for destroying his will to fight, and a few bruises go a longer way than inflicting heavy injuries. Do it quickly and efficiently enough, and you're safe as you get. Always remember you're fighting two fights at once. I cannot stress this enough."
I wonder, how many street fights are actually reported? From what I see, if no one is seriously injured and hospitalized or if none of the parties involved bother to file a complaint (most people don't), the law usually stays out of it. Unless of course, you start a fight, right in front of a cop or some high profile event.
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posted April 09, 2014 05:10 PM |
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If it's a street fight, it's probably reported. If it's just a quarrel at the hotdog line no one gives a snow.
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posted April 09, 2014 05:14 PM |
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Let's say something not so extreme but let's also put in a broken nose, two guys giving a punch or two and a few kicks to another fella...
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posted April 09, 2014 05:27 PM |
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two guys giving a punch or two and a few kicks to another fella
This always gets reported here by bystanders because 2-on-1 is not a fight.
The broken nose would probably also get reported at the hospital. The person in question cannot stop the investigation from happening since judiciary has primary rights for prosecution.
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posted April 09, 2014 06:28 PM |
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Street fights are rarely chivalric and fair in my opinion.
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posted April 09, 2014 06:31 PM |
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Nothing to do with chivalry but there's a difference between a fight and a beating.
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posted April 09, 2014 06:31 PM |
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JoonasTo said:
I think there's a misunderstanding in your martial arts definition.Baklava said:
It's simply full-contact practical fight training, with a heavy emphasis on sparring, flow of movement, pain management and a philosophy of its own.
This is EXACTLY what martial arts are.
Sports(like aikido or judo) and self-defense stuff have messed with your head.
I found that part curious too  PS aikido is a martial art even if many will teach it as a hobby/sport.
Training in an art does challenge your perceptions and this is what I love most about them. Even better when you start something that goes against everything you have known about your mind and/or body so far. Ah the sweet mind**** 
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posted April 09, 2014 06:52 PM |
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Funny, I remember reading that the guy who modernised it from aikujutsu specifically developed it away from its martial arts roots to make it an accessible past time "for the masses", so to speak. 
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