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phoenixreborn
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posted March 10, 2010 01:41 AM |
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Ok wth. I'm not asking about raping anyone. What is with this forums obsession with rape?
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posted March 10, 2010 01:50 AM |
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@wog_edn
I am openminded - very. But I never quoted you, nor did I refer to you personally. I was merely making my own statement, in general.
I know this a discussion and we all have our valid personal opinions. But I mentioned earlier, maybe I have a more 'old fashioned' attitude towards sex. I just dont think its a good idea to belittle its importance.
It has been mentioned here that sex is akin to an automatic bodily function. I take issue with that ..... it makes it sound like there is no thought or emotion involved and surely thats not a good thing. Sex helps us bond, to form relationships, may lead (hopefully) to a loving relationship - which is highly beneficial to both. And imo anything that appears to undermine something as important as that, is a worry .. for me anyway.
And now this thread has taken another direction. I might very well bail at this point.
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posted March 10, 2010 06:02 AM |
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Hmm, again I find myself in the middle of the road on something. Not an unusual experience for me. I am a bit old fashion, and believe that sex and intimacy should go hand in hand. However, I also believe what happens between two (or more) consenting adults is their business and nobody elses. So 'friends with benefits' is something that would be ok..if that is what interested the people involved.
Personally I think a deeper passion would arrise if there is an intimate connection, and that the physical aspect would be more gratifying because of that added passion. Especially if both partners are willing to be selfless, and give everything they are/have to the other person's pleasure. Which normally would not happen with 'just sex', as it would be about THEIR pleasure and not their partners (on the whole).
Sex is a natural thing, that yes is a part (but not the whole) of love. So this technically is not off topic. Do not confuse sex with love however, for they do not have to have anything to do with each other. Maybe they SHOULD, but they don't.
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posted March 10, 2010 08:07 AM |
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Phoenix, you should follow your feelings, but whatever you do, keep true, play it straight and never lie. And take responsibility for any emotional havoc you create.
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posted March 10, 2010 09:38 AM |
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rape isn't just immoral, it's illegal too (and sick, imo).
I think the problem with rape, is indepent of the act of sex involved and rather is in relation to the limitation of someones freedom.
Were there no such limitations, rape would probably not matter, but then again it would be rape as we understand it now.
I think that the only reason rape is considered worse than beating someone up, is because we've some kind of association with sex that makes it extra bad mentally. That association does us nothing good, only bad, at least as I see it.
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It has been mentioned here that sex is akin to an automatic bodily function.
If you refer to my text, I think you misunderstood. I meant that sex is not an automatic -, but rather random bodily function and it is not the act of sex that is important, but the intentions between the two who have sex.
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it makes it sound like there is no thought or emotion involved and surely thats not a good thing.
Well, in my opinion, thought and emotions are also somewhat random bodily functions. Thought are good, because it makes us able to consciously increase our freedom of action. However, I believe emotion are bad, at least unless questioned, because it is like a random advice towards some actions you may or may not agree with.
To me, love does not require emotion, neither does sex really. I believe for those without fully control over themselves, complete free will that is, emotions can really enhance their way of doing. I am like that, and what I talk about is to me an idealized state. However I do realise that it probably make it sound more cold than anything. However that is while still assuming the need of emotions to know what you want. I believe the power of emotions can be achieved without emotions being present at all. After all, it is just chemicals in the brain.
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posted March 10, 2010 09:41 AM |
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Why the **** are you people talking about rape for? Like seriously...
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posted March 10, 2010 09:53 AM |
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Yeah, not exactly a topic we should be discussing. Let us move back to the original topic please.
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posted March 10, 2010 10:03 AM |
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Ohforf I am disappoint. And.. love without emotion? What have you been smoking?  Too much theorycrafting is bad for the brain cells, I should know.
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posted March 10, 2010 10:21 AM |
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love without emotion?
I advocate love without the limits of emotion, but the power unchanged, would be ideal.
There are two things to the term emotion, there's the reward and the control. Often it goes like reward -> control, that is emotions can control you if you give up your own control in attempt to get that reward. Change it to control -> reward and that is what I find ideal.
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posted March 10, 2010 12:43 PM |
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I quite agree with ohforf.
love and sex are totally different things. interestingly during near death experience, people say they experience a pure feeling of love, too strong to be explained by words. and well, it's kinda hard to have sex during a NDE 
love without emotions? that sounds weird, I suppose there should be joy, happiness. but maybe it doesn't come directly from love. maybe love has some effects on us which may then trigger joy and happiness.
huh wait, that isn't what he said
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To me, love does not require emotion
do you mean, to experience love you don't need to experience a specific emotion first? that makes sense imo.
some people say they don't experience love, but the truth may be that they do, but don't recognise it, or they are afraid of it and refuse it.
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posted March 10, 2010 12:52 PM |
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I quite agree with ohforf.
love and sex are totally different things. interestingly during near death experience, people say they experience a pure feeling of love, too strong to be explained by words. and well, it's kinda hard to have sex during a NDE
No it ain't.
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posted March 10, 2010 01:26 PM |
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but it's like necrophilia, and the person experiencing the NDE will not feel it.
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posted March 10, 2010 01:29 PM |
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A Near Death Experience doesn't mean you're dead, hence "near", so no, it's nothing like necrophilia. lol
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posted March 10, 2010 01:36 PM |
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It is in the sense that you don't feel anything from outside you. It's like a coma dude.
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posted March 10, 2010 01:38 PM |
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Necrophilia is having sex with somebody who is dead, ceased to be. NDE is NOT dead. Just because you may not feel something doesn't mean you are dead so I stand by what I said and disagree with the both of you. Now why the **** are we even discussing necrophilia in a LOVE thread.
Can we get back to the damn topic. lol
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posted March 10, 2010 01:39 PM |
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fauch said it's like necrophillia, in that sense. Not that it is necrophillia. Pay more attention pls
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posted March 10, 2010 01:40 PM |
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But it's not like it in any sense (imo anyway). Now talk about the original topic please?
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posted March 10, 2010 01:41 PM |
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Ok nvm lol
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posted March 10, 2010 01:44 PM |
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because someone didn't agree that sex and love are totally independant things.
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posted March 10, 2010 02:30 PM |
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I probably shouldn't have said that...
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